u/Forsaken_Duck1610

I've come to the epiphany that there are no bad Spider-man players, just people on different parts of a very long learning curve

This isn't bait. This isn't me making some kind of ironic joke. And it's not an ego post. I know that this will never please some of the people in this game's community. I know that this will be subject to various forms of snark and passive detachment and sarcastic criticism.

It all just takes a ridiculous amount of time and practice and discipline. For everyone.

I just wanna make this post for the sake of anybody who finds himself a little bit frustrated with the game.

I like to draw. And no matter how good I get at drawing, I'll never be the best at it and there will always be someone better at it than me. But that's okay, and it's actually kind of humbling. Because it means that you can still at least try to get better. Not to be the best, you never will be. But because it's about becoming. When people see what I draw and they say "I wish I could do that," I get kind of confused. Cause anyone can draw. Not everyone can draw the way they want to, in fact nobody can. But everyone can start. It's just ((Initial Talent × Time)^improval + interest)/fatigue [experience].

I've begun to realize when fighting other Spider-man players, the relationship isn't dissimilar.

I'm not the best at playing Spider-man. In fact I think I'm quite bad. Very little of what I do can be called true combos, I'm only really baby-stepping into stringing together hits consistently recently, or trying to input combos outside of the practice range with mixed results. No matter how good I get at them, I will never be the best. But that's sort of humbling.

I've faced off against people who wiped the floor with me. And I've wiped the floor with others too. What's immediately apparent is simply just a gap of time learning what can and can't be done without getting punished. Just one big skill curve that everyone is on and some are ahead of you, some are also behind you, but you're always surrounded by peers that have the same access to the mechanics you do. There are no crutches to rely on, just themselves.

And either way, I think it's the most interesting and engaging form of counterplay that the game needs to implement across the board. To such a degree that I'll smile after getting beat by another Spider-man and compliment him in match chat. And I'll frown or feel despondent after putting the emphasis on a different enemy Spider-man as a threat, baiting his engagements out and having him go negative for his team to type "Our Spider-man got diffed." And defend him in match chat. Because in either outcome, I know that player was TRYING just as hard as me. It just came down to making even the slightest bit of choices differently.

I'm a big advocate of the idea that this game needs to start standardizing difficulty across it's cast more towards what Spider-man is at. Too many characters are sort of just free value with little to no thought in them. And that will produce bad players who want to coast by. But seeing what other Spider-man players do and GO THROUGH, it doesn't make me think "Oh he sucks." Anymore. Instead I think "here's where he's progressed to." I'm Champion on the character, and it genuinely doesn't mean anything to me cause I'm aware I have a lot to learn still.

It's lead to a very falsified perspective in the community where we equate a bronze player who's never touched the game before as trash because he can't get a long pull every fight, to a leader board demon who is getting blamed for simply selecting the character.

It's one of the big reasons I won't type:

"Hang up the mask" in chat.

Cause it's just senseless discouragement of the exact kind of gameplay this game needs more of. They may not have gotten the clearest picture of it all as you, but they're trying just as hard.

I will type:

"I don't need squids to play for me. (K/D) on a character that aims for you."

In match chat, even after swapping, because Namor is a fundamentally unfair character that abuses auto aim damage that the player doesn't work for and decisions they don't make but rely on the cpu to make for them. It's the difference between drawing and using ai to "draw" for you. It has no merit. They can't improve at putting down a squid. A Rocket player can't improve at holding down a button more than they already do. But the more you play, the more you're going to understand, the more you understand, the more you can anticipate and the more you can anticipate, the more you can counteract.

At the end of the day, I would rather lose interesting and cerebral fights that rely on a never ending learning process from a human opponent who worked to out-think me, than a glorified macro for an aimbot.

No matter how many people try and gaslight you into thinking you just suck in this wildly unbalanced game, Don't let them get in your head. They abuse crutch mechanics just like that more than half of the time. Don't give up. And don't stay down. And don't give up the mask. Like me, you will lose games. But like me, you are also the one playing them.

u/Forsaken_Duck1610 — 9 days ago

Hot Take: I don't want Cyclops to be Vanguard

There are way cooler and more fitting options that the whiny communal boyfriend of the X-Men and latter on traitor/murderer of the founder of the organization.

Admittedly, None of this has to do with him as an archetype. I wasn't expecting Rogue to be a Vanguard, and she's one of the most fun and well designed characters in the game. So I'm not unopposed to the idea of him being a tank because of expectations. I'm opposed to him being a Tank cause all of the ones above are just better, more easily likable characters.

u/Forsaken_Duck1610 — 11 days ago

Nothing is more frustrating than teammates who won't let you play the game

I'm tired of feeling like a dog on a leash, it's like the harder I try to do more, the less my teammates I get end up doing. Pick 2? No we're gonna continue to stand in the same place. Pick 3? "Why are you overextending after picking off half the team and going for stragglers?" Peel to a Venom? Nope, run away and leave our dps to die anyway.

Some of you people really don't seem to get what game you're playing. A whole section of you seem to que up to do nothing but stare down a hallway and spray. Even when I get into a bot match, supports are still hiding a million miles from the fight around a corner scared of any kind of interaction. I can't imagine why you people play a game about killing shit and moving forward, just to not kill anything and never move up. The more you GET DONE, the less contributive teammates you get in turn.

I CANNOT outplay the apathy and lack of urgency of my own teammates. "Yeah no man, let them live so they can group up and immediately come kill us. Then you can complain about no one peeling for you when you're doing the bare minimum anyway."

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u/Forsaken_Duck1610 — 13 days ago

You are all hypocrites. I'm done pretending that this place is for fair discussion and people who can even fucking read.

You will excuse any shit on Earth that's objectively terrible gameplay so long as it's a support player at fault.

If a dps does terrible, it's okay to call them anything under the sun. Same with tank.

But in your stupid circlejerk echochamber, you people downvote anything that does the same for supoorts that are worse.

And it IS WORSE. It's ALWAYS WORSE.

No peripheral awareness. No urgency to fight for point. No contribution. No mechanics. No counterswapping. It's never a support players fault even if they feed off cooldown. ESPECIALLY if they feed off cooldown.

If I play dps, it's still somehow MY fault that I can't compensate for a deadweight, worthless player that's dragging the team down. If I play tank, it's somehow MY fault for not babysitting their useless asses. If the other healers are complaining that they aren't getting healed, it's STILL their fault. It's always SOMEBODY ELSE.

Even when the whole team agrees that the support player was the issue, magically accountability for them ceases to exist the second you go to Reddit to deal with you dumb fucks.

I shouldn't be surprised anyway. You people whine for buffs to don't deserve. You people give up the second you see a red healthbar. You people post clips on the main sub asking for nerfs to dive from support players that aren't even paying any attention to their surroundings or sound ques. The moderator of most of these Rivals subs is a support player. The 2nd in charge of balancing made a support character.

These people could be dumb as bricks and this game's stupid community will still bend over backwards with mental gymnastics to defend them.

When the Jeff is sitting in the back holding one button it's "fine." When the Rocket is super negative and the other teams supports have 50 elims each cause they can actually contribute and not healbot, it's "fine." When Daggers are spamming off the floor and doing nothing and going 0 and 4 after the whole team got picks but refuse to move to a reasonable distance, it's "fine." When the Invis is 0 and 36 because she won't counterswap the Daredevil, it's "fine." When the Gambit is playing from across the map with a fan primary, it's "fine." When they isolate themselves in the back to do nothing and cry for peels when an objective is at risk and they leave tanks for dead, it's "fine." When they spam surrender cause they don't want to interact with their own opponents, it's "fine." When they climb up the ranks expecting to coast by doing nothing, it's "fine." When they go on strike and moan and cry and bitch their way into unnecessary buffs and preferential treatment, it's "fine." When they drag you off the point ulting as Jeff in overtime, it's "fine." When they go turbo negative, it's "fine." When they hijack every place for discussion, it's "fine." When they make snide nebulous holier than thou comments to defend other bad supports, it's "fine." When they bring up kd, even tho it's their job to keep others alive, it's "fine."

But when a person playing an actually difficult character is dragged behind by non-interactive supports when he's trying on difficult characters and being proactive, suddenly it's the funny hour to you people. "DURR HURR, BAD KD SPIDER-MAN" (and fair enough, but where is the same energy?)

But when supports are more than an active hinderence to the nature of the game itself, worse than a bad tank or dps not being enabled suddenly you guys are all "whoa chill, it's not that serious" or "Hey man, maybe you didn't peel all the way back to spawn for them, ignoring the timer and objective"

You and support players have no integrity. And you have no standards for what constitutes as objectively bad gameplay. Supports on Reddit who healbot all game and think they have any clue what they're talking about, or don't acknowledge their own in-group bias, groupthink and echochamber ideologies, will KILL this game. This game will fail because of YOU.

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u/Forsaken_Duck1610 — 20 days ago