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Reminder, doing a clash or attack is irrelevant, what matters to do Sky split is how strong is the haki being exerted out for sky split to happen

Joyboy proved that is not need to do a clash or a attack for the Sky split to happen, what matters and is needed is for the sky present if is from one, two or 3 or many more people, to he strong enough to cause a Sky split.

With such hdc that Rocks did Solo sky split, he scales like same level as joyboy??

Without it, he is at same level as prime versions of old gen pirates and would explain why Kaidou doesn't wank Domi Reversi Rocks or Rock's that much above either himself like how he does for joyboy and why Rocks is in Kaidou top 5 and not above Roger, Whitebeard, Shanks and Oden.

Why isn't a Domi Reversi version of Rocks seen as so much above every prime of every other Old gen pirate?? Kaidou was at God valley, saw and felt the battle was going on, he did fight Roger pirates later on after God valley in following years.

For Kaidou Domi reversi Rocks, is still Human Rocks, so based on Kaidou top 5, Domi Reversi Rocks is not above or another tier above Roger, Prime Whitebeard, Shanks or ODEN.

First image - Roger or Garp clashing vs Domi Reversi Rocks

Second image - Kaidou own Haki attack when killing Guernica

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Loki knows very well how strong and how much is the true full extent of Base Harald power before Harald received Holy Knight pact. Oda made Loki say that dialogue to let clear that the Harald that Loki just did face and clash was indeed much stronger than previous Harald with no Holy Knight pact.

Loki was only shocked that Holy Knight Harald was showing more strength and power than he ever had before when doing that attack that Loki did match, Loki noticed it by straight up clashing with him to know he was much stronger than before.

Harald was hitting harder in that clash vs Loki than he ever did when clashing and fighting human Rocks, and Loki did match against that Haki attack of Holy Knight Harald, which places that Loki was indeed very close in strength to Holy Knight Harald and already much stronger than Base Harald with no Holy Knight pact.

This dialogue and exchange is Oda way of telling us that pre DF Loki was very damn close in power to Holy Knight Harald and well surpassed Base Harald, which goes and follows in line with the narrative and writing Oda been doing in Elbaf of how absurd of a monster and genetic freak Loki is since his birth, so a pre DF Loki > Base Harald, Pre DF Loki ≈ HK Harald in raw power and Haki is literally factual and proven on panel.

That is proven not just by dialogue stating that Harald was stronger and hitting harder than he ever did when in his fights vs Rocks, but fact Harald couldn't even crack a bit Loki old hammer, meaning in terms if Haki, Loki was already very damn close to almost equal when in comparison to Holy Knight Harald.

Loki needed the Devil fruit to become strong enough to overpower and kill Harald, not just match or be equal, he needed enough strength to complete over class and kill him because to Kill a immortal who does possess conquerors haki, you need stronger Haki than them.

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Loki knows very well how strong and how much is the true full extent of Base Harald power before Harald received Holy Knight pact. Oda made Loki say that dialogue to let clear that the Harald that Loki just did face and clash was indeed much stronger than previous Harald with no Holy Knight pact.

Loki was only shocked that Holy Knight Harald was showing more strength and power than he ever had before when doing that attack that Loki did match, Loki noticed it by straight up clashing with him to know he was much stronger than before.

Harald was hitting harder in that clash vs Loki than he ever did when clashing and fighting human Rocks, and Loki did match against that Haki attack of Holy Knight Harald, which places that Loki was indeed very close in strength to Holy Knight Harald and already much stronger than Base Harald with no Holy Knight pact.

This dialogue and exchange is Oda way of telling us that pre DF Loki was very damn close in power to Holy Knight Harald and well surpassed Base Harald, which goes and follows in line with the narrative and writing Oda been doing in Elbaf of how absurd of a monster and genetic freak Loki is since his birth, so a pre DF Loki > Base Harald, Pre DF Loki ≈ HK Harald in raw power and Haki is literally factual and proven on panel.

That is proven not just by dialogue stating that Harald was stronger and hitting harder than he ever did when in his fights vs Rocks, but fact Harald couldn't even crack a bit Loki old hammer, meaning in terms if Haki, Loki was already very damn close to almost equal when in comparison to Holy Knight Harald.

Loki needed the Devil fruit to become strong enough to overpower and kill Harald, not just match or be equal, he needed enough strength to complete over class and kill him because to Kill a immortal who does possess conquerors haki, you need stronger Haki than them.

Loki knew well how strong and true extent of Harald power. Still Loki was shocked at Holy Knight Harald strength, not knowing where did Harald found or get this new so found enourmous strength, meaning even before eating Devil fruit Loki already was stronger than pre holy knight pact Harald.

This dialogue and exchange is Oda way of telling us that pre DF Loki was very damn close in power to Holy Knight Harald and well surpassed Base Harald, which goes and follows in line with the narrative and writing Oda been doing in Elbaf of how absurd of a monster and genetic freak Loki is since his birth, so a pre DF Loki > Base Harald, Pre DF Loki ≈ HK Harald in raw power and Haki is literally factual and proven on panel.

That is proven not just by dialogue stating that Harald was stronger and hitting harder than he ever did when in his fights vs Rocks, but fact Harald couldn't even crack a bit Loki old hammer, meaning in terms if Haki, Loki was already very damn close to almost equal when in comparison to Holy Knight Harald.

Loki needed the Devil fruit to become strong enough to overpower and kill Harald, not just match or be equal, he needed enough strength to complete over class and kill him because to Kill a immortal who does possess conquerors haki, you need stronger Haki than them.

First image - GV Roger or GV Garp vs Domi Reversi Rocks

Second image - GV Roger vs GV Whitebeard

Third image - Chapter 1011 Luffy vs Kaidou

Loki showed he is stronger than Holy Knight Harald the moment he beat his ass back to his senses. Harald could go back to being controlled by Imu and Loki would just beat his ass back to consciousness, AGAIN.

Holy Knight Harald have no wincon vs Loki or did show higher raw power showcase, Loki have many wincons vs Holy Knight Harald, he can torn him to shreds and bring him back to his senses with conquerors haki, kill him with conquerors haki and freeze diff Holy Knight Harald with RAGNIR ice and Loki showed higher raw power showcase than him and did dominate him. Loki beat Holy Knight Harald at worst was mid difficulty.

That at same time hypes up current IMU, meaning current IMU can at worst low diff any Old Gen pirate. IMU and Gaban would not be hyping tf out of Holy Knight Harald if he was a Tobiroppo or below any of the top Old Gen pirates, hate it how much you want, cry like a baby how much you want, Holy Knight Harald is a minimum as strong as Prime Roger or Prime Whitebeard.

Either way is Peak and Blackbeard is fucked.

In storytelling, a narrative is established through explicit statements, repeated portrayal, demonstrated actions, narrator information, thematic emphasis, and consistent character behavior. So where did Oda explicitly state, clearly portray, repeatedly imply, or demonstrate that Loki has already used his full arsenal, full power, Hybrid Form, every application of Ragnir, and every combat option available to him against IMU?

If the answer is simply "he's fighting IMU, therefore he must be going all out," then that's not narrative. That's an assumption. What is the actual evidence from the manga itself?

What specific narrative tool did Oda use to establish Loki is going all out: a statement, portrayal, narrator confirmation, repeated implication, or demonstrated use of his entire kit? If the only argument is "he's fighting IMU," that's an interpretation, not a narrative.

Same thing for Yamato, A narrative is not established by:

"Well she was fighting Kaido, so obviously she had to be going all out."

That's an assumption, that's just headcanon, not manga fact or manga narrative.

So where exactly did Oda establish that Yamato was using everything she had?

Where is the statement?

Where is the narrator box?

Where is the portrayal of her exhausting her entire arsenal?

Where is the implication that her objective required maximum output?

Because the story's stated objective wasn't:

"Defeat Kaido"

It was:

"Hold Kaido off until Luffy returns."

Those are completely different goals, people keep treating "She fought Kaido" as if it automatically means "She used every technique, every application of her fruit, every possible haki combination, and every last ounce of strength", like Why?

Show Me the Narrative, Not the Assumption: Where Did Oda Establish Yamato and Loki Were Going All Out?

The manga never says that, the manga never establishes that, the manga never narrates that, in fact, what the manga actually shows is:

Yamato successfully stalling Kaido, Yamato fulfilling the exact mission she set out to accomplish, Yamato still standing after multiple exchanges, Yamato still having abilities and applications of her powers that were never explored.

So the question remains:

What actual narrative evidence did Oda provide that Yamato was going all out?

Not: "She fought Kaido", "She had to", "I think she was"

Because if your entire argument starts and ends with "The opponent was Kaido" Then you're not citing narrative, you're replacing narrative with an assumption and calling it canon.

The key principle is:

> Narrative = what the author actually communicates through the story.

> Headcanon = filling gaps with your own assumptions and then treating them as if the author communicated them.

A character fighting a strong opponent is a fact, but saying that a character is going all out, that the character is using every ability, every transformation, and maximum effort, that is headcanon unless the manga establishes it. That's the distinction between narrative and interpretation/headcanon or fan made narrative.

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Either narrative, portrayal, statements, feats, and upgrades matter for everyone, or only feats matter for everyone.

Based on feats Rocks is not stronger than Base Luffy, same Luffy have more advanced haki versions and Sky split Ontop.

Based on feats no admiral is stronger than Old sick Whitebeard that can't even use basic observation haki or conquerors Haki.

Based on feats Big mom is not even stronger than Yamato.

Based on feats Shanks is strongest ever in the verse since the range he showed with his wifi Haki is something no one else has ever done or showed being capable to do.

Latest chapters just show even more he literally possesses Regen and how he did heal after Loki ragnir strike, Thorheim and Ragna five arrows and he is clean.