u/Grandmas_Cozy

I took the brand name Adderall and four generics to a lab in Canada and had them tested. the lab is a harm reduction lab and the tests were basic. I did get milligram count, accurate to within 2 percent. The brand name Teva 20mg IR had 10 mg in it. Epic was underdosed by 50% as well. please keep in mind that the different manufacturers vary from month to month. This isn't meant to be a guide for which medication to take. This is meant to be validating for those of you who have also been experiencing problems with Adderall and other CNS stimulants you may be prescribed. I have retained a law firm and we are trying to get more information. My hope is to put pressure on the FDA to do their job and regulate our meds properly to keep us safe and functional in a world that was not designed with our brains in mind. you can verify my results here yourselves: Substance Drug Checking click "check my results" and enter code 802 646 016. result posted here is Brand Name Teva 20mg IR.

Brand Name Teva Adderall 20mg IR

hey guys, what a week it has been. The trip to Victoria was beautiful. Honestly, I thought I was going to Victoria to rule out any issues with the actual ingredients or dosing. I was pretty convinced it was all abuse deterrent or just shitty manufacturing and problems with the excipient leading to reduced or zero bio availability. The shorting of the actual API was a little shocking to me, but also validating. We know these pills aren't f*cking working.

So-- I finally convinced a lawyer to take my case. He specializes in dealing with the FDA. I found him because I downloaded a list of every citizen's petition to the FDA since 2022 and then uploaded it to AI and asked it to give me all the petitions about prescription stimulants. Only one came back. And it was this lawyer who filed it. So I figured he might know how to help me. I had a great talk with one of his associates today. Here's what we're doing: 1. I want to get info on the chiral ratio of the pills. Specifically the pills that are under dosed. I have a theory that they left the D out lol. Meaning the dextro amphetamine. Adderall is composed of four salts in equal amounts. so for a 20mg pill it has 10 mg dextro amphetamine (5 each of two different amphetamine salts) and 10 mg racemic amphetamine (5 of two different salts). Racemic means it has equal parts Dextroamphetamine and levoamphetamine. That makes the total ratio 3:1 which is what makes adderall adderall. My theory is that on the underdosed pills they couldn't source the D so they were just like "oh, well" and left it out. That means the ratio for the under dosed pills will be 1:1. Which is basically street speed. Anywho. These tests will take a few weeks or more.

I also am experiencing some crazy side effects. Crazy back of the neck tension headache, tired, grumpy, emotional, and i can't seem to enjoy alchohol (why can't I spell that) or catch a buzz and my wine tastes funny. I think it's extremely unlikely that they've put naltrexone in our adderall, but because my symptoms are bizarrely like someone spiked my life with naltrexone, I did take a urine test for it yesterday. I doubt I will piss positive for it, but I need to rule it out.

anyway--- thanks for coming to my TED talk. Ask your non ADHD partners to read this for you if your meds aren't working. love you all.

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I tested brand name Adderall made by teva, 20 mg IR, three generics of the same, and Malincrodt 10 mg IR. the Brand Name Teva and Epic came back short 10 mg each. 20mg pills only containing 10mg. The testing was done by a harm reduction lab, and is accurate within 1-2 percent. So-- could be off, but the results are concerning and I wanted to share them. I'm currently investigating further. A law firm specializing in dealing with the FDA has taken my case (not to sue anyone, but to try to get the FDA to conduct better testing and oversight). I don't see a way to upload a picture of the results here, but I will link to the testing site substance drug checking click on "check my results" and enter the code 802 646 016. The first result, which is only described as a round peach pill with "20" is the brand name made by Teva.

I hope those of you experiencing some inconsistencies with your medication find these results validating, and know that I am working hard to get the rest of the information that we need.

link to the update before this

OK, so some interesting if a little frustrating updates:

First of all, I gave three pills to a harm reduction lab in Victoria British Columbia at the university there. I gave them 320 mg instant release tablets, one elite pharmaceuticals, one epic pharmaceuticals, and one “brand name“ Adderall made by Teva. They are going to be able to analyze the milligram content, and the fact that it is actually amphetamine and maybe a little bit of information about the incipient but the chiral separation of the D and l isomers remains elusively out of reach.

What I found out about the isomer separation is a mixed bag: they can test for the isomer separation in blood and urine. According to a lot of the literature out there because we metabolize the different isomer’s at different rates the ratio in our urine in blood supposedly can’t be dependent on to be an accurate representation of what was in our medication. However, most of this data is based on Drug Testing people and using the information to try to determine what substances they have been taking and what they’ve been up to in that case in that scenario the isomer ratio isn’t really all that informative. But I did find something very interesting. With Adderall specifically they did a study which I will attach here in the early 2000s where they gave five men 20 mg of Adderall every single day and then randomly tested each man one time per day by taking his urine, but the times a day were random and then they tested his urine and did the isomer separation ratio. And what they discovered is that when somebody takes their Adderall every single day the ratio in the urine consistently does stay at three to one and this is critical so after the fifth dose, they had the man stopped taking the Adderall, but they continued to test their urine every day and what they found. Was that the L amphetamine stayed in their system longer than the D amphetamine so as the drug was leaving their system, the ratio even out until it was about a one to one I want to say 130 hours after the last dose.

So here’s what this tells us: while you can’t use the ratio in urine or blood to determine the substance that somebody is on, if you know that you are taking your medication every single day, the urine or blood analysis will be accurate according to the study. Adderall urine chiral separation study

I did order a urine analysis with isomer separation through Ulta labs which is a third-party that lets patients order tests from quest laboratories without having to go through your doctor. I gave the urine sample yesterday. Looking closer at the details of the test, even though it says specifically that it’s an amphetamine test in the details it says that they only do the chiral separation if the sample test positive for methamphetamine. My sample is not going to test positive for methamphetamine. I called the third-party lab company. Ulta labs left a message and they called me back and I explained to them why I wanted the isomer ratio on the amphetamine in my urine, even though that technically doesn’t prove or disapprove anything about the substances that I’ve been taking or my behavior around them I told them that I was the one that ordered the test and I wanted the ratio. The lady that I talk to is extremely helpful. She actually hung up with me and then called me back and asked me more questions. She asked me to send her a message through their system requesting the test and she said she would have her supervisor call me tomorrow and they would talk to the lab so if there’s anyway to get this test done correctly, hopefully I’ll know by tomorrow.

If quest laboratories won’t do the isomer ratio for me: there is a forensic laboratory in Pennsylvania that will do the testing, but they absolutely do not take orders for test from individuals. It has to come from a doctor, a hospital a lawyer, a law-enforcement agency, a prison system, etc. I don’t know if I can convince my doctor to order the test. I also have a couple calls out for some consultations with some attorneys in my home area because a lawyer can order the test. I’m also still in contact with the lab in the UK. They did reach back out to me and say that their legal department doesn’t want them to do the testing but he did say basically to standby for more communication. So maybe he’s still working on it from his end. I honestly don’t know. I’m just gonna have to wait on that one.

TL; DR : holy fuck this is complicated and hard I’m trying. Stand by.

For very good reasons that I’m more than happy to explain, but don’t need to go into here, I need to get my prescription amphetamines’ chiral ratio tested. This is obviously difficult due to the nature of amphetamines being scheduled 2 controlled substance. I’m interested if there is a way that I can alter my medication so that it is no longer an amphetamine while still preserving the chiral ratio so that it can be tested.

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Update 1 : https://www.reddit.com/r/ThisAintAdderall/s/oAg01fxaZV

Original post: https://www.reddit.com/r/ThisAintAdderall/s/dDCmcVIoIf

For the moment, the lab testing route in Europe seems to be stalled out although I’m still hopeful. I talked to someone on the phone at the lab and then I emailed them. They requested the information on the specific generic Adderall that I had that I wanted tested but since then I haven’t heard back I’m afraid that they might not want to take a “controlled substance“ from an individual and their suggestion of giving it to a harm reduction lab and then the harm reduction lab sending it to them might be a bust too. I spoke with a few and because they are usually state funded state as in the country that they’re in they don’t or aren’t able to send anything out for Analysis.

However, I did find a potential workaround for some of the specific information that I personally am. I’m looking for basically instead of testing the Adderall test myself. So there is a urine test available that separates out the d and l isomers. They use it to determine what kind of amphetamine somebody is actually taking and then the harm reduction labs can test the Adderall for overall amphetamine content. So together, these tests are going to accomplish how much amphetamine is in the pill if it is correctly synthesized Adderall, or if it is something else what this isn’t going to tell me is information about the excipients and the delivery method, which could be a crucial part of this mystery.

So my updated plan is as follows: I’ve already ordered the urine analysis from quest diagnostics through a third-party so that I didn’t have to ask my doctor to order the test although I could’ve done the test through my doctor, but this is just easier for me and I will probably go submit the urine sample on Monday because I’m working today and tomorrow. I will make sure that I take my maximum allowable dose in the days leading up to the test so that it’s plenty concentrated and I will also make sure that I’m a little bit dehydrated. Therefore we get the maximum concentration of Adderall in my pee.

I will then drive to Canada and give my pills to a harm reduction lab in Canada to get them tested for what is in them and how much is in them I’m assuming both tests will take maybe a week or two.

Also with the Analysis test with the D AND L separation I’m going to have to repeat the test several times after taking individual different generics and allow time for the Drug to clear from my system in between the tests. So the separation testing on each individual pill that I want to test is going to take some time and it’s exacerbated by the fact that I travel for work and so it’s probably gonna take me weeks to get all the tests submitted

now: just for you guys I am going to document my trip to the diagnostic place to do the urinalysis and the results there of and I’ll give you guys basically all the proof so that you can see that I went and had my P test tested of course you don’t know that I actually took Adderall, but I hope that you trust me by now if not, that’s OK for the Testing in Canada, I’m not gonna document the process of me crossing the border and potentially distributing my medication, but what I will do is once I get the results back I will give you guys links to those results and or screenshots that are actually legitimate. I know there’s a screenshot of a result here in this sub Reddit, but it doesn’t say a lab it’s I’m not saying it’s a lie but it’s just there’s not enough there to confirm so I will give you guys everything that I can give you to help confirm the legitimacy of this.

Original post https://www.reddit.com/r/ThisAintAdderall/s/mN3CuhDZGD

I had a conversation with someone from the lab this morning that exceeded my wildest expectations. He was friendly and interested and we spoke at length about various issues in the pharmaceutical industry and manufacturing in general. His lab specializes in the chiral separation analysis which apparently is a highly specialized process and requires a great deal of expertise to interpret the results. He said he’s going to talk with his legal department, but he sounded cautiously optimistic about being able to help. He said if he couldn’t help directly, he would help me find a harm reduction lab to give my samples to, and then the harm reduction lab could send the samples to him. So I think either way we’re going to figure out a way to get this tested. I found another bottle of mine with some different generics, so now I have 2 generics and “brand name” to test. Still haven’t gone to my other house in Nevada to see what I have there.