u/HK_Mathematician
▲ 6 r/terriblemaps
Remove worse half of the remove half games -FINAL RESULT
A result that surprises absolutely nobody......(drum roll)......
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THE ORIGINAL REMOVE HALF SERIES BY AUDITORED IS THE BEST REMOVE HALF SERIES EVER! (83 votes vs negatives)
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The Better Half edition by Futurity is the best series after the original. It is not as good as the original, but being the best after the original is still a very respectable title to have. Well done to Futurity!
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I hope that you all enjoyed this meta remove half series. I'll put links of each round in the comments.
u/HK_Mathematician — 4 months ago
▲ 300 r/terriblemaps
Remove worse half of the remove half games -FINAL ROUND
CONGRATULATIONS to the Better half edition by Futurity for winning the title of the best remove half series after the original......wait.......is it the best one after the original, or is it even better than the original?
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Round 1: Africa edition, Asia edition, remove better half edition are removed.
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Round 2: USA edition, Canada edition are removed.
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Round 3: Remove half games edition is removed and we looped back to the start.
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Round 4: USA edition, Africa edition, Canada edition, Remove half games edition are removed.
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Round 5: Asia edition, Remove worst/keep best out of 3 edition are removed.
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Finaln't round: Australia edition is removed. (8 vs 3 votes)
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For this round:
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Red: Better half edition by Futurity
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Blue: Original by Auditored
u/HK_Mathematician — 4 months ago
▲ 23 r/terriblemaps
Remove worse half of the remove half games -finaln't round
WHICH ONE IS THE BEST REMOVE HALF SERIES AFTER THE ORIGINAL ONE?
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Round 1: Africa edition, Asia edition, remove better half edition are removed.
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Round 2: USA edition, Canada edition are removed.
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Round 3: Remove half games edition is removed and we looped back to the start.
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Round 4: USA edition, Africa edition, Canada edition, Remove half games edition are removed.
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Round 5: Asia edition, Remove worst/keep best out of 3 edition are removed. (3 vs 1 votes)
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For this round:
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Red: Better half edition by Futurity
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Blue: Australia edition by PhiliMaps
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Whichever one not being removed will be declared the best remove half series after the original by Auditored, and will be paired against the original in the final round. Alternatively, if one of you advocate for removing the original now and it becomes the most upvoted comment, it can also be removed early.
u/HK_Mathematician — 4 months ago
▲ 7 r/terriblemaps
Remove worse half of the remove half games -round 5
Round 1: Africa edition, Asia edition, remove better half edition are removed.
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Round 2: USA edition, Canada edition are removed.
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Round 3: Remove half games edition is removed and we looped back to the start.
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Round 4: USA edition, Africa edition, Canada edition, Remove half games edition are removed. (7 vs 0 votes)
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For this round:
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Red: Better half edition by Futurity, Australia edition by PhiliMaps.
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Blue: Asia edition by Unknown user, Remove worst/keep best out of 3 by Icy Recognition.
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The original by Auditored is not assigned to a colour until round 7 when it faces against whoever wins in the left side. Despite this being the intention, it can still be removed early if one of you leave a comment advocating for its removal and that comment becomes the most upvoted comment.
u/HK_Mathematician — 4 months ago
▲ 6 r/terriblemaps
Remove worse half of the remove half games -round 4
Round 1: Africa edition, Asia edition, remove better half edition are removed.
Round 2: USA edition, Canada edition are removed.
Round 3: Remove half games edition (this game) is removed (15 vs 1 votes) and we looped back to the start.
Surprise! New games just got added to the collection compared to round 1.
Red: USA edition by kiribatiistoll, Africa edition by PixelGun, Canada edition by Swooferfan, Remove half games edition by HK Mathematician.
Blue: Better half edition by Futurity, Australia edition by PhiliMaps, Asia edition by Unknown user, Remove worst/keep best out of 3 by Icy Recognition.
The original by Auditored is also added, but not assigned to a colour until round 7 when it faces against whoever wins in the left side. Despite this being the intention, it can still be removed early if one of you leave a comment advocating for its removal and that comment becomes the most upvoted comment.
To avoid misunderstandings again, this time I changed the visual representation of this game. This option winning will not trigger another looping event.
u/HK_Mathematician — 4 months ago
▲ 25 r/terriblemaps
Remove worse half of the remove half games -round 3
Round 1: Africa edition, Asia edition, remove better half edition are removed.
Round 2: USA edition, Canada edition are removed. (11 vs 2 votes)
This round: Red: Remove half games edition (this game). Blue: loop back to round 1.
If red wins (blue removed), this game will be declared the best remove half series after the original. If blue wins (red removed), we'll loop back to round 1 once.
As mentioned in the previous round, since the visual representation of this game in round 1 caused many people to vote based on the assumption that it'll trigger a loop, a loop has been temporarily introduced once as an option for the sake of fairness.
u/HK_Mathematician — 4 months ago
▲ 29 r/terriblemaps
Remove worse half of the remove half games -round 2
Round 1: Africa edition, Asia edition, remove better half edition are removed. (26 vs 15 votes)
This round: Red is either USA edition or Canada edition. Blue is either this game, or looping back.
In the previous post, the bottom right option was intended to represent this remove half game by me. Like, if that option wins, this game is declared to be the best remove half games after the original one. However, from the comments you guys made, it is clear that many (15) of you voted remove red last round under the interpretation that the bottom right option represents a loop. For the sake of fairness, the interpretation of looping back is added once to isolate those who voted for loopy loop and those who genuinely think that this game is the best.
u/HK_Mathematician — 4 months ago
▲ 145 r/terriblemaps
Remove worse half of the remove half games -round 1
Red: Africa edition by pixelgun, Asia edition by unknown user, remove better half edition by futurity.
Blue: US edition by kiribatiisttoll, Canada edition by swooferfan, this one.
The original by auditored is not included because it is too obvious that it'll win.
u/HK_Mathematician — 4 months ago
▲ 377 r/trolleyproblem
Many people argue about the red blue problem by wildly changing the framing of the problem. Both sides do that. Every time someone does that, there are people complain about it.
We're in the trolley sub.
The original trolley problem goes from pulling a lever to divert the trolley to the track with 1 person to avoid hitting 5 people, to pushing a fat man off the bridge to stop the trolley from hitting 5 people behind, to killing a healthy man to use his organs to save 5 patients.
The fun in trolley problems is changing the framing to explore ethical frameworks. This is a sub dedicated to a philosophical problem famous for using crazy framings to mindfuck people. Making wild framings is the most fitting form of argument for this sub lol. I'd say that everyone arguing about red blue button here should only do it by changing framings, other forms of arguments should not be allowed.
u/HK_Mathematician — 5 months ago
Let's swap survival and death because why not.
Red: You die no matter which colour wins.
Blue: If >50% of the world press this, every single human in the world dies. Otherwise, blue pressers live.
What do you press?
u/HK_Mathematician — 5 months ago
▲ 27 r/trolleyproblem
Oh no! 13 people got tied to the track system!
You can let the trolley go to the middle. It is the risk-free option, will guarantee resulting in 5 survivors.
The upper track has 50% chance of resulting in 13 survivors and 50% chance of resulting in 1 survivor.
The lower track has 50% chance of resulting in 8 survivors and 50% chance of resulting in 4 survivors.
The upper track has an expected number of 7 survivors, but its Sharpe ratio is only 0.17. The lower track has an expected number of 6 survivors, but it has a Sharpe ratio of 0.5, which is better. What will you choose?
(this is not related to the red blue button thing, though it was inspired by reading how people talking about risk during the red blue button debate)
u/HK_Mathematician — 5 months ago
Have you engaged in this red blue debate and feel like you're talking to a wall? Why the other side keep moving the goalpost and using different reasons? How is this alternative scenario equivalent/not equivalent? How can you say that these two situations being the same/very different?
Turns out that people who pick the same colour aren't all the same. Each of them can have a very different moral framework. I love this red blue thing because reading the comments allow me to gain insight on many different perspectives.
Below are some reasoning that I see a lot in the past day reading through the arguments you guys present.
Since reddit poll only allows 6 options, I'll group some options together in the main poll. If you want to indicate your detailed category: In the comments, I'll make a comment that says "Detailed categories", and I will reply to it with the detailed categories, and you can upvote the corresponding one (don't downvote those replies as I want to use it for head count, not saying how good these perspectives are).
Please read the following description for each option and pick the one that describes you the best.
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Outcome oriented options:
Your main argument is about the outcome. Reframing the question won't make you switch unless you think that the reframing will change the outcome (affect how others vote). If you're any of these, click on EV/Best or Worst case optimization together with your colour.
Blue - Best case optimization. The only good outcome is nobody dying. Blue winning is the only realistic way to achieve this, so we shall press blue. It is clearly impossible for exactly 100% of the people to press red, so a red victory guarantees some people will die, which is always a bad outcome whatever the number of deaths might be. In an alternative scenario where the blue button risks one stranger's life instead of your own life, you will still press blue.
Red - Worst case optimization. Pressing red guarantees saving 1 extra person no matter what happens. It bringing down the number of maximum deaths by 1. One less potential death is better than one more potential death. In an alternate scenario where the blue button risks one stranger's life instead of your own life, you will still press red to guarantee that the one stranger will live.
Blue/Red - Expected Value. You only care about the expected number of survivors given you press red vs given you press blue. After doing some estimations on probability, you conclude that pressing <your colour> gives a better expected outcome. You may switch if there are additional information that affects what you think the probabilities are.
The expected value option includes those who think that the choice should depend on the wording of the question because it affects how others vote and sways the probability (in that case, pick the colour based on the wording you first heard this button thing).
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Responsibility oriented option:
It's not about the outcome. It's about what your responsibilities are. If you're any of these, click on Blue - Responsibility or Red - Responsibility.
Blue - Consent. It is morally wrong increase the chance of other blue presser's death without their consent. You can give consent to yourself to put your life in risk, so it is morally clear to press blue. In an alternate scenario where the blue button risks one stranger's life instead of your own life, you may switch to red.
Red - Individual responsibility. It is each person's responsibility to protect the one person that they can protect. In an alternate scenario where the blue button risks one stranger's life instead of your own life, you will continue to press red as it is your responsibility to protect that one stranger you're assigned to.
This also includes the "blue pressers chose it themselves" argument.
Blue - Active action. The fact that red pressers actively chose to move their finger to press the button is an important detail. If there is no red button and it's just whether you press the blue button or not, you may change your answer. In the classic trolley problem, whether the trolley was originally heading towards the 1 person or the 5 people makes a difference.
Red - Limits on responsibility. While you should help others as much as you can in general, both legally and morally, this does not apply when you have to put your life in risk to do so.
Red - Button's fault. It is the button inventor who killed them, not me.
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Other options:
Blue/Red - Personal circumstances. You picked this colour because of your real life personal circumstances. Maybe you are a parent and can't risk your kid being orphans. Maybe you have a partner you love that you know will most likely press a certain colour. You may change your option if you're in a different circumstance.
Blue/Red - Other other options. Reasons that I didn't think of.
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How about the baby/colourblind argument that we see a lot? Well, that depends on what you use it to argue for. If you use it to argue for blue can save more people than others have thought, then go for EV/Best case optimization. If you use it to argue against the red argument on blues picked it themselves, then go for the Consent option.
u/HK_Mathematician — 6 months ago