Would you guys like it if, instead of fighting, Phanes looked at the current state of Teyvat and saw how the locals consider him their enemy and the one responsible for all their hardships, and just decided to leave the planet? He could remove the False Sky, leaving the planet completely exposed to the Abyss, acting like a disappointed God.
Thanks to version 7.0, specifically the Zar Beiyi world quest, we now have a massive update on Nibelung scaling.
We finally know that the exact reason the Chronicler came to Teyvat was to look for something called the primal light, which was Nibelung himself. According to the information dropped there, this primal light embodied by Nibelung possesses infinite possibilities, acting as a direct contrast to the Abyss. This primal light holds every single possible outcome extending out infinitely, just as Zar Beiyi explicitly stated in the world quest. The Chronicler traveled to Teyvat to find this light in order to save the entire universe from the Abyss, because it was heavily emphasized that this primal light within Nibelung was the only potential salvation for the whole cosmos. Since they could not find Nibelung, they tried to recreate this primal light using the power of the Light Realm, which is completely unique to Teyvat. They attempted to replicate it, and that is the exact reason why they created Zar Beiyi in the first place.
This drops several massive lore details for us. First, Nibelung is the literal incarnation of the Light Realm. Second, Nibelung embodies a concept. Third, it is explicitly stated that he embodies the abstract idea of infinite possibilities. Finally, Nibelung possesses a level of power capable of saving the entire universe all by himself. Zar Beiyi, a being holding only an incomplete portion of Nibelung authority, stated that Nibelung light can literally illuminate the entire universe. This positions him as a clear counterpart to Phanes, since Phanes was able to extend his authority across the universe and rewrite its logic and structure. Nibelung can illuminate the entire universe and potentially save it from the Abyss because he is the conceptual incarnation of infinite possibilities, which completely counters the Abyss itself.
Right now, both Phanes and Nibelung have explicit universal scale statements, making them true peers and counterparts to one another. However, the fact that Nibelung embodies the concept of infinite possibilities leaves his exact tier up for debate. We are talking about the literal embodiment of a conceptual idea, which is also tied directly to infinity. Nibelung light exists completely beyond standard time, space, and destiny. This is why a race that has already transcended time and space, like the Chronicler race, saw him as the only hope to save the entire cosmos. Furthermore, Nibelung scales straight into multiverse tiering since infinite possibilities directly equate to infinite universes. In version 7.0, it is confirmed that each individual possibility can spawn entirely separate timelines with different travelers, officially confirming a multiverse of existing possibilities within Genshin Impact. Therefore, depending on how you look at it, Nibelung is an infinite conceptual entity who easily scales to boundless levels based on the statements from the Zar Beiyi world quest.
This also gives a completely different meaning to the Chronicler previous statement where she said that Nibelung sheer will shone brighter than all the space civilizations she had witnessed across tens of thousands of years of life.
What do you guys think about this, and where do you tier Nibelung with this new information? If we accept that he is infinite and encompasses an infinite number of universes by embodying infinite possibilities, where each possibility is its own independent alternate timeline, this massively buffs Phanes as well. Since Phanes was already a universal being, this would easily scale both of them to a multiverse level in an infinite sense. This would easily place both of them at Hyperversal as an absolute bare minimum, if not significantly higher.
What are your thoughts on this?
Excluding Zenless Zone Zero, since we still don't know for sure if it is part of the same universe.
Regarding Honkai Impact 3rd, despite what I’ve seen many people claim—such as Kevin Kaslana being able to solo the entire Xianzhou Luofu on his own, and also being able to defeat Generals like Jing Yuan—I notice that Honkai Impact 3rd has a rather low power scale compared to games like Honkai: Star Rail or Genshin Impact.
In Honkai: Star Rail, there are entities capable of destroying planets, stars, or even entire solar systems, alongside creatures that can devour stars.
In Genshin Impact, we have beings like the Five Sinners of Khaenri'ah, each of whom at their weakest point possessed enough energy to destroy a planet.
Then we have the Seven Sovereign Dragons. Some, like the Dendro Dragon King Apep, contained an entire planet within themselves, while others simulated being the Sun of their solar system, as seen with the Pyro Dragon King.
And the Sovereign Dragon King Nibelung created a star and three moons with his own power, and he was able to improvise a prison to trap the three Moon Sisters. This prison—thousands of years after his death—could instantly obliterate a being like Rerir (who had planet-level energy inside him) without Rerir being able to offer any resistance whatsoever.
And in Genshin Impact, power decreases over time, yet a weakened, improvised prison created by Nibelung could instantly wipe out a planetary-level threat.
Furthermore, among the Four Shadows, Asmoday (the Shadow of Space) has entire planets and solar systems trapped inside her cubes, and she possesses thousands of them.
Phanes was able to expand his authority across the entire universe, rewriting its logic and altering its structure.
In contrast, the feats in Honkai Impact 3rd are on a small scale compared to that.
The feats of the Herrschers vary between city-level and country-level at best for the first 13 Herrschers.
Regarding Kevin Kaslana, his maximum feat would be continental scale at most.
As for Kiana Kaslana, the highest known feat we have is that she was able to fire a beam within her own solar system that had the potency to destroy a dwarf planet.
They cannot leave their native solar system, and they don't even know there is a vast universe filled with life and intelligent civilizations out there.
There are no space travels, no journeys to other solar systems, no faster-than-light travel, and no creation of massive structures like planets or stars.
The Herrschers, like Sirin (the 2nd Herrscher) or the 1st Herrscher, can be defeated through raw force, such as nuclear bombs. In the Previous Era, the first six Herrschers were defeated using conventional human technology equivalent to the 21st century.
Without needing warriors like Kevin Kaslana, who didn't appear until the 7th Herrscher. This shows that Herrschers don't possess any special attributes that make them stand out; they can be beaten with raw strength and normal weaponry.
In Honkai: Star Rail and Genshin Impact, there are space travel, terraforming technology, spaceships, planetary destruction weapons, interstellar communications, and much more.
Vita, who ranks among the top three most powerful beings in all of Honkai Impact 3rd, would only scale to a character like Sparkle in Honkai: Star Rail.
She ranks below characters like Jade, Aventurine, or any of the Ten Stonehearts, and she is far below Generals like Jing Yuan or any Emanator.
Senadina, a normal follower of the Path of Permanence, became the Goddess of Mars and stands as one of the most powerful beings in Honkai Impact 3rd, yet she doesn't even scale to Aventurine or Jade.
Therefore, does Honkai Impact 3rd have the weakest power scaling and technological advancement among the three games that share the same universe?
Since I understand that Honkai: Star Rail, Genshin Impact, and Honkai Impact 3rd all coexist within the same universe.
What are your thoughts on this?
Asmoday is the Shadow of Space of Phanes, ruling over and embodying the concept of space, while also transcending the concept itself.
One of her unique abilities is that she is completely above "dimensionality" and can freely manipulate it.
In the community, many people use the topic of dimensionality to scale Herrschers or Kiana to power levels they don't actually possess or show in order to make them compete against characters from Honkai: Star Rail, who have significantly greater destructive feats, power, and range. They rely entirely on "dimensionality arguments." In fact, people have even put Herrschers against Emanators from Honkai: Star Rail for this exact reason, claiming they supposedly have superior abilities.
However, Asmoday, the Shadow of Space in Genshin Impact, has shown that dimensionality is entirely irrelevant to her. She can turn 3D beings into 2D beings, cutting or adding dimensions at her own whim. In other words, if she wants to, she can turn you into a 2D being or a 4D being. She transcends the very concept of space. Paimon explicitly states that she can manipulate the dimensionality of living things.
Therefore, even if you are an 11-dimensional being—the maximum number of dimensions within the Imaginary Tree—it doesn't matter and becomes irrelevant, because she can simply "cut" those dimensions and turn you into a 2D being if she chooses to. Not to mention, she can do this on a planetary scale... or even across thousands of solar systems. She is capable of containing entire planets along with their stars inside her cubes, which are the size of the palm of her hand, and she possesses thousands of them. The living beings on those planets, which we saw in the Four Shadows trailer, were noticeably different from those in Teyvat, lacking the same dimensionality, as seen in the sheer contrast they present. This can be observed in Phanes' Four Shadows trailer.
So, when it comes to Asmoday, you could bring Kevin Kaslana with the Power of Finality, Kiana Kaslana, or any Emanator from Honkai: Star Rail, and she—who transcends the very concept of space—could turn them into 2D beings if she wanted to, stripping away their powers.
What are your thoughts on this? How could characters like Kevin Kaslana (either with his original power or the Power of Finality), Kiana Kaslana, or Emanators from Honkai: Star Rail even face her? How do you fight a being that can cut dimensions and turn 3D beings into 2D?
Furthermore, her power transcends time itself. Asmoday has proven capable of manipulating space and dimensions in the past, present, or future, as well as across different timelines, and she has done so multiple times. Therefore, even time cannot escape her.
In Honkai Impact 3rd, Herrschers, for example, are bound by a certain dimensionality that restricts their actions, and it is explicitly stated that they face limitations due to their dimensionality. For instance, they cannot perform certain actions in the Sea of Quanta because they do not "transcend all known dimensions."
And in Honkai: Star Rail, while Emanators demonstrate superior capabilities, they also seem to be bound by dimensionality or something similar to it.
What could possibly stop Asmoday from "reconverting" them into 2D beings like flat paintings or manipulating their dimensionality at will?
What is your opinion on this ability that Asmoday possesses?
Based on what he has shown so far, how strong is he compared to the other Lord Ravagers and Emanators?
Would you rank him above Phantylia? Or Zephyro?
Currently, many people claim that it is just a dome covering only the planet and a small part of the space surrounding it.
However, thanks to the Version 6.7 quest, we now know that the Frost-Bound Moon is located hundreds of thousands of kilometers away from the planet of Teyvat. This means the distance between the Frost-Bound Moon and Teyvat is practically the same as the distance between the Earth and the Moon.
But besides that, according to information gathered from the Imaginarium Theater and other sources, the fake sky is constantly referred to as a "micro-cosmos," implying it is a "mini-universe" surrounding Teyvat.
Furthermore, thanks to Skirk's quests, we know that all the stars in Teyvat's sky are actual stars that possess their own energy. We know these stars have energy that can be absorbed by other living beings.
For instance, Surtalogi's friend—using the power of the All-Devouring Narwhal, a creature capable of consuming entire planets—took about 42 days to absorb the power of 42 stars from the fake sky. This strongly indicates that the stars we see in Teyvat's sky are real and possess their own independent energy. And there are thousands of these stars visible whenever we look up at the fake sky.
Aside from that, we know that every single person in Teyvat has a "constellation" that rules over their destiny. A constellation is made up of dozens or hundreds of stars in the sky. If every person has a constellation governing their fate, that implies the existence of dozens to hundreds of stars per individual.
When you combine this with Skirk's quest—where we confirmed that these stars are real, tangible, and have energy—along with the mentions in the Imaginarium Theater referring to the fake sky as a "micro-cosmos," and other characters calling the fake sky a "universe" while referring to the outside as the "real universe"...
We can assume that the "fake sky" is, in itself, an entire universe in "miniature" surrounding Teyvat. It contains constellations and thousands of tangible stars with their own energy that can actually be interacted with within the fake sky.
Therefore, based on all the mentions and evidence we have seen so far, the "fake sky" would indeed be the size of a small universe.
What are your thoughts on this?
Did Asat Pramad really destroy, or can he actually destroy, multiple galaxies as shown in one of his techniques?
Thanks to Genshin Impact's Version 6.7 mission on the moon, and the events we have witnessed there, we now know what it took for Phanes to create the False Sky around Teyvat, which seemingly covers Teyvat's entire solar system. They had to expand their authority of "Reason" across the entire universe, altering the logic and perception of the cosmos itself to deceive it and keep Teyvat hidden.
Because of this, even though things like the frosted moon remained outside the False Sky for thousands of years, having Phanes' power meant the Abyss (which blankets the entire universe) never managed to damage it, because Phanes altered the logic and perception of the universe in its entirety. This caused even things like the frosted moon to go unattacked for thousands of years due to the altered logic and perception of the cosmos.
This means Phanes permanently altered the entire structure of the Imaginary Tree (Genshin Impact, Honkai: Star Rail, and Honkai Impact 3rd all seem to coexist within the same universe, as far as I understand). This is a universal-scale feat that fundamentally alters the structure of reality.
Added to this are mentions from the Imaginarium Theater, where it is explicitly portrayed and stated that Phanes' Four Shades have a universal reach, being entities that have existed since the dawn of time to govern the cosmos.
Furthermore, the Dragon King Nibelung of Teyvat was described by the Chronicler (a being from a civilization that spanned, at minimum, a territory of several galaxy clusters and had transcended concepts like space and time) as someone whose sheer will alone was brighter and superior to all the civilizations she had encountered throughout her tens of thousands of years of life. So, are Phanes, the Four Shades, and the Dragon King Nibelung all superior to Emanators and on par with the Aeons?
Up until now, no Emanator in Honkai: Star Rail has shown a feat on a truly universal scale. For Emanators like Zephyroh, his greatest feat is being able to destroy one supposed galaxy over the span of an entire Amber Era, which lasts anywhere from 70 to 250 years. Even the strongest Emanator of all, Irontomb—whose power and Imaginary Energy explicitly surpassed all other Emanators—was only destined to eventually eliminate Nous, the Aeon of Erudition.
The power level of Star Rail's Emanators falls short compared to what has been shown by Phanes, the Four Shades, and the Dragon King Nibelung. All of them have explicit universal-level mentions and feats (the Dragon King Nibelung achieved this by being able to wound Phanes and hold a direct fight against them).
Phanes was able to expand their authority across the entire universe and alter its logic and structure. The Four Shades, according to the Imaginarium Theater and its narrator, are concepts at a universal level. The Dragon King was able to severely wound Phanes, a universal being.
So, what reasons could there be to not place them at Aeon level, or at least as beings superior to Emanators, if the scale of feats they show outclasses them? Are there any Emanators who possess universal-level feats, excluding Irontomb, who was explicitly described as having a level of power and Imaginary Energy that surpassed all other Emanators?
And regarding the topic of dimensionality, Phanes and the Four Shades are constantly referred to as "transcendent" higher-dimensional beings. Even when the Five Sinners of Khaenri'ah obtained the power of the Abyss 500 years ago, they had already become beings of a higher "dimensionality," yet they were still inferior to Phanes' Four Shades at that time.
What do you guys think?
In the quests of Genshin Impact version 6.7.
Now we know that to be able to create the false sky, Phanes had to change and alter the logic and perception of the entire universe (the Imaginary Tree) to be able to create the false sky.
Which combines with another mention about the 4 shades of Phanes.
In which it is said that they are concepts at a universal level, and that they cover the entire universe, according to the information from the Imaginarium Theater.
So based on the information from the Imaginarium Theater and the information from the quests of Genshin Impact version 6.7.
Phanes and Nibelung, the dragon king of Teyvat.
Are they at the level of the Aeons?
Because Phanes now has universal-level feats, and Nibelung, having almost the same power, would then also fall into that category.
And where would Phanes' shades stand?
At the level of an Aeon? Or at the level of a top-tier Emanator like Irontomb?