u/INSLVRY4_5yrs

Zion Christian mission center

I feel so sorry for the Zion Christian Mission Center students that don’t even know about the preposterous ideas they’re going to be fed.
They think that they are drawing closer to God, yet they’re only getting further.
They don’t even know yet about the new John that’s going to be sprung onto them, and the fact that he’s being detained, etc., etc., etc.

Any leaf’s out there feeling guilty to be dragging someone away from God with the lies you’re telling them? And if you think you’re doing it for their own good, don’t you think that they should be able to choose that for themselves? If not you should. Your right to choose was taken away, why do it to them?

By this I mean does your fruit know that they have their very own chat room
in telegram that they are not even invited to?
That everybody in the chat is talking about them, about everything that they’re saying and doing?
Do the students know that there are meetings held about them?
Things like if they are believing what they are being taught, and if they are not, what are you going to do to make sure that they do?
Do the students know that the end result is leaving their church to join a church that they don’t even know the name of yet?
Do the students know that you have been involved with this church that you told them there was no particular church involved with this Bible study?
Then you took away their choices of being able to make informed decisions concerning their faith.
It was decided by you tje minute you took away their right to know the truth of what your “pitch “ is selling.
If you answered “NO”” to any of the questions above, then you took away their right to make an informed decision.
God does not need you to lie for Him. The Bible says God detests lies.

The clearest references are:
Proverbs 6:16–19 — lists “a lying tongue” among things the LORD hates.

Proverbs 12:22 — “Lying lips are an abomination to the LORD.”

Psalm 5:6 — “You hate all evildoers” and God destroys “those who speak lies.”

Revelation 21:8 — liars are included among those facing judgment.

Revelation 22:15 — “everyone who loves and practices falsehood

Please reconsider what you’re doing. You know you’re sick of being in center. How many times has this been for you?

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u/INSLVRY4_5yrs — 8 days ago

Fighting and overcoming, or trying to get out of deserved punishment?

It doesn’t look like Lee is overcoming much of anything today with the courts. Only more deception and lies to get out of being held accountable for all he has done.

I’m pretty sure the Bible is talking about someone who fights and overcomes biblically, not by lying, cheating, blaming others, and refusing to be held accountable for the mistakes, or for blatant wrongdoings.
Weaseling your way out of a conviction is not fighting and overcoming by any stretch of the imagination.

Why is it OK for him to have a group of people get up and apologize for the things that he commanded them to do in the first place? Every single eyeball here from SCJ ( before, currently, or future ) reading this knows that nobody makes a move without LMH commanding, or dictating it for 43 years.

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u/INSLVRY4_5yrs — 8 days ago

Heavenly Culture or Korean Culture

It amazes me how many members believe they are practicing “ heavenly culture “ when in fact it’s Korean culture that they are being programmed to follow.

SCJ prides itself on following “heavenly culture”. On earth as it is in heaven they say. However, do you honestly think they wear glasses in Heaven and when they pray they have to take them off? Do you honestly believe when you pray you have to have your left hand over the right hand? That you have to take your shoes off when entering the temple, meetings, whatever building of theirs you enter. (Yes, it’s more sanitary, but day that not day it’s what they do in heaven because it’s not true ).
Funny that Jesus when teaching HOW TO PRAY in Mt 6 never mentions or practiced any of this. None of the Apostles did either.
You don’t think that the Bible would have mentioned this if any of it was required of God for you to do?
All the bowing to everyone that has a duty above you, you have to bow to and stand up if sitting when they come in the room. If you are eating with someone with a higher duty than you, you have to allow them to take the first bite.
When being invited to someone’s home, you have to bring a gift. ( it’s a lovely thought, but it takes away from thoughtfulness when it’s required. )
The list goes on of all the insignificant details you’re made to believe is heavenly culture.

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u/INSLVRY4_5yrs — 9 days ago

I’m curious

Good afternoon everyone,
I hope that Thurs was/is blessed for you.
I wanted to know how many former members are from 12th class and after snd what branch(es) you were in please if it’s not too triggering for you to think about.
I’m just curious to know how many from my class ( 13) have left SCJ. These are the ones I was closest to. Classes 10-20.
Since I can’t go to Telegram yet ( it triggers me still ). Just curious how many left I would know. I pray every time I pray that you have.

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u/INSLVRY4_5yrs — 21 days ago

Please allow me to be clear

I would like to clear up any misconceptions that I’m judging ANYONE at SCJ. I’m not even Judging LMH. I cannot judge anyone as that is God’s job.

I clearly know that the current members are victims of a high control system, I was in their center for a year and SCJ 5 years.
I know most of them are just following orders ( especially those in USA). I know every leader in USA where I was answers to HQ in Korea.

I tell you of MY experiences and what I MYSELF have witnessed and have been told.
If it’s something I only heard about from another member, I say that as well.

I’m not here to debate with anyone about SCJ. I’m here to make aware what I went thought while being there, and doing my best to evangelize to and bring to light those in darkness.
I say those in darkness because no one gets the TRUTH of who SCJ is when they are approached to join Bible study.
SCJ chooses everything for them right down to who can be evangelized to, who can enter their kingdom. That is a major disadvantage for the person being recruited to SCJ.

I will continue to share my experiences and continue to pray for every soul being deceived by a false prophet.

The truth is not what is being spoken at SCJ, so we need to remedy that situation.
The courageous people searching and seeking deserve to know the truth.
Those (like I did), who blindly obey, will be shocked when they test the spirits they follow. But it’s okay, we will be here for you.

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u/INSLVRY4_5yrs — 21 days ago

SCJ Forms

How can ANYONE current or former member of scj deny this place is controlling every step you make?
You have to fill out a form in advance (and it must be approved) to have your camera off during ANYTHING SCJ related.
Or if you’re traveling for any reason like work or for fun/vacation.

These are detailed forms to fill out and they tell you that it’s because they want to make sure that you are safe, and to make sure that nothing happens to you.

BS it’s to pester you if you miss a meeting or your camera is off. They EXPECT you to matter if you are away on vacation with your family or away for a work conference or work training, they do not care. You are still pressured into making sure that you attend whatever meeting, training, 1:1 meetings, evangelize, attend service, or events and seminars you are supposed to be at.

Unfortunately, I was bullied into being a group leader. I would get a message if any of the members cameras were off I was made to call them and ask them why, then I would have to report why. Then I would be asked more questions to ask the member if it was not a satisfactory answer to SCJ.
So this whole time three people( not that it matters, but if it did matter ) are missing out on the meeting, service, training, event just to answer stupid questions of why you’re not this or why you’re not that etc.

It gets to the point that you dread to go anywhere because you’re expected to answer when they call and they will call even when you’re attending everything and not enjoying yourself wherever you may be .
That would be greedy and selfish of you to enjoy yourself while everyone else is slaving away for the puppet masters. I mean you better count it ALL joy like the Bible says to, because they were talking about this time specifically according to SCJ. When you have to make a decision if you’re going to follow God, or go to a work conference because according to SCJ, you can’t do both. 😂

You are all definitely a part of the prophecies, you know the ones warning about getting out of Babylon, that’s you at SCJ and every other cult disguising itself not the rest of the world!

Remember that before a fall comes pride, and while you think you have the “secret knowledge” you better open up your Bible read the words Jesus spoke, the words the apostles taught, and you’ll see that you’re following a gospel that is not from God.

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u/INSLVRY4_5yrs — 23 days ago

To SCJ ZOOM MEMBERS

To current or former zoomers of SCJ,
Did you ever get messaged during service or a meeting/training asking you why you were not on camera?
I was messaged by an
“ eye “ during service one day.
I went to the bathroom and when I returned I had a zoom message on my screen asking why I was gone from my seat.
I couldn’t get back into the service until I answered.
I was angry that i couldn’t even go to the bathroom without being rebuked for it.
They acted like I did something so very wrong. They act like I hadn’t heard this same crap a thousand times before.

I almost lost my mind on my group leader. I told her to tell whomever she needed to that i REFUSE to be treated like a child and watched over like some kind of criminal because I need to use the restroom. I live alone, I might need to answer the door during a meeting and leave my seat, or whatever I need to do and they better just get over it. I asked for a meeting with a higher up ( it never happened, why would it? They couldn’t give a reason why people have to be watched if they leave their seat that would make any sense).
I told her they can kick me out of the service, they can kick me out of meetings, they can kick me out of SCJ, I don’t care, I will not be treated this way.
More and more my spirit, mind, body, and soul screamed “ Get out of this cult”! So I did.

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u/INSLVRY4_5yrs — 27 days ago

Joyful noise or joyless noise

Current and former SCJ members do/did you enjoy singing Korean praise on Wednesday and Sunday services?

I never enjoyed being forced to sing in a language not my own and not know what I was even singing. It was hard for me to read the words in English while trying to sing in Korean as we were told to always try to sing in Korean.
I asked for the songs we sang in English to read on my own so I knew what I was singing, but it never was given to me. I guess those are a secret of Heaven too.

When I stopped singing to try to read the English to what I was singing, I get a message asking why I’m not singing from service monitors ( I know right, people that watch you while you’re staring at a screen watching the same service recorded services you’ve heard and seen for years making sure that you’re awake, alert, smiling as fake, and as wide as you can, and do not forget to clap your hands and sway back-and-forth and remember, you have to do it a certain way. That you’re dressed in your worship suit and have to say loud amens, and the “ chant “ at the end EVEN if you’re attending on Zoom.
You have the nerve to say it’s not a cult )?

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u/INSLVRY4_5yrs — 27 days ago

Were you really given a choice?

When you said “ Yes” to a Bible study that promised to show you how to have a closer relationship with God, or to help you understand your purpose or God’s perfect will for your life, is SCJ what you expected?

SCJ will tell you that God works in ways that you don’t understand and so they have to properly teach you this secret hidden knowledge ( as if God was keeping something from everyone ).

You are taught to believe that God entrusted the world of believers to LMH when He already sent His One and only begotten Son Jesus Christ over 2,000 years ago to save humanity?

They are going to tell you that in no way are they comparing Jesus to LMH, but yet somehow LMH has the task of salvation in a new covenant, because apparently the covenant that Jesus made in his blood for all to have salvation was broken. That the blood of Jesus does not take full effect until after LMH raises up 144,000 in great multitude and White and there’s a wedding banquet.

When you say “Yes” to join a SCJ Bible Study, and you are deceived into believing you’re learning Holy Scripture, did you really make an informed decision to “ pass over”, or were you manipulated into it and fear is what holds you captive there? Where are the fruits of the Spirit found in SCJ?

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u/INSLVRY4_5yrs — 1 month ago

Raise your hand if

As the summer season is coming to a close,I’m actually looking forward this year to spending the holidays with family and friends.

Current and ex SCJ members,
raise your hand if you dread(ed) Christmas and the New Years Eve holidays at SCJ.
I especially hated it because I was remote and had to be online, but still was forced to join the ridiculous, juvenile idiotic activities that they would plan thinking it would make up for me not being able to be with my family and friends for the holidays, it was the biggest joke having to listen to more of the same dribble instead of celebrating the One who the holiday is actually for.
Having to lie to family and friends while you pretend to want to be there with recruits you don’t know, acting like you’re enjoying yourself and that this is the place to be.
Forced to buy a present for someone in your home group that you don’t even know.
Having to ring in the new year in a service about the same thing, you’ve heard all year long but this time you’re gonna get a motto that they repeat for a month anyway, so what difference does it make if you watched another tired recording of LMH when you could be celebrating with family and friends how wonderful God has been to you this year. How thankful you are for the birth of Jesus Christ, the one and only Savior.

Hand raised

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u/INSLVRY4_5yrs — 1 month ago

Riddle me this

Current Scj members ,
LMH says he wrote the letters as mentioned in REV.
But he was not well educated, didn’t go to school past elementary school.
We are taught his “helper” actually wrote the letters. How does LMH know what was written if he couldn’t read or write?
So you believe that Jesus told an illiterate to write letters and to ask someone else to write it for him ?

If God calls you to do something, HE will definitely equip you, like in Acts when the disciples could speak in tongues.

Now with the vastly important tasks that LMH claims are his and his alone, responsibilities like raising the 144,000 kingdom and priests and teaching the great multitude in white, you don’t think that God would have given him the ability to write?

I understand God works in mysterious ways, I’m just testing the spirits and so should you.

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u/INSLVRY4_5yrs — 1 month ago
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SCJ's own internal teaching on John 3 "born again" directly contradicts what John 3 actually says. Here is the evidence from both.

I want to place SCJ's own documented teaching on John 3 next to what John 3 actually says, because the contradiction is striking and I have not seen it laid out clearly before.

First, what SCJ actually teaches about being born again.

From an internal SCJ teaching document attributed to the chairman: "The condition to go to heaven is being born again through the Holy Spirit and water. We must be born again and sealed with the Word through the Holy Spirit and water." In SCJ's interpretation, water in John 3:5 is not physical water. It is LMH's teaching, the sealed Word of Revelation he alone received. Being born again means receiving and being sealed through his curriculum.

The same document states: "One can only become a firstfruit through the Word. One cannot insist that they are a fruit here when they have been born somewhere else."

Read that second sentence carefully. It says you cannot be born again outside SCJ. Rebirth through the Spirit is bound to one man's organisation in one country. If you were born again somewhere else, it does not count.

Now read John 3:8. Jesus is still speaking to Nicodemus, in the same passage SCJ uses to build this teaching.

"The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."

The Spirit blows wherever it pleases. Not wherever SCJ's curriculum reaches. Not wherever LMH's Word has been sealed and administered. Wherever it pleases. Jesus uses the wind as his image specifically because it is ungovernable, unpredictable, and free. You cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. That is what being born of the Spirit is like.

SCJ's teaching says you cannot be born again somewhere else. Jesus says the Spirit blows wherever it pleases. These are direct contradictions within the same passage SCJ uses to establish its teaching on rebirth.

Now John 3:5. Jesus says "no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and Spirit." SCJ interprets water as LMH's teaching. But the mainstream reading across two thousand years of Christian interpretation is that water refers to baptism or spiritual cleansing, and Spirit refers to the Holy Spirit given directly to every believer. What the passage does not say is that water means the sealed interpretation of Revelation delivered by a specific man in South Korea in the twentieth century. That interpretation is brought to the text from outside it.

And John 3:16 follows just a few verses later. "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

Whoever believes in him. Not whoever completes SCJ's nine-month curriculum. Not whoever is sealed in LMH's Book of Life register. Whoever believes in him. The condition Jesus gives in the same chapter is belief in the Son. Nothing is added to it.

One more thing. The thief on the cross in Luke 23:42-43 said one sentence: "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom." Jesus replied: "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise." That man was born again. He received eternal life. He went to be with Jesus that same day. He did not receive LMH's teaching. He was not sealed through any curriculum. He was not born again through LMH's water. He believed in Jesus and was immediately received.

If the condition for being born again is sealed membership in SCJ, the thief on the cross cannot be in paradise. Jesus said he was.

The wind blows wherever it pleases. Not wherever one man says it can go.

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u/Automatic_Thing_2370 — 1 month ago
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⚠️ Shincheonji is a criminal enterprise hiding in Orange County, California, and they're using "Good Soil Church" to funnel donor money overseas. ⚠️

TL;DR: "Good Soil Church" at 1940 E Chapman Ave, Fullerton is legally registered as the Shincheonji cult (EIN 33-1436405). Their website looks like a normal Christian church, but it's a bait-and-switch. I attended their Bible studies at this exact address for months. They never mentioned Lee Man-hee or Shincheonji. Their leader was just convicted in South Korea of tax evasion (₩7.57 billion), political fraud (forcing 56,000+ members to join a political party), and embezzlement. Don't fall for it.

I need to warn everyone right now about a dangerous front operation hiding in plain sight. "Good Soil Church" at 1940 E Chapman Ave, Unit D in Fullerton is not a legitimate independent Christian church. It is a deliberate, intentional bait-and-switch front for the cult Shincheonji, led by Lee Man-hee, who was just criminally convicted in South Korea on August 31, 2025, for massive tax evasion, political fraud, and embezzlement. I attended their Bible studies at this exact address for several months before I realized what was really happening, and I am posting this to save others from falling into the same trap.

The Bait-and-Switch: What Their Website Says vs. What They Actually Teach

The deception starts with their website, GoodSoilChurch, which presents itself as a humble, welcoming, orthodox Christian community. Their statement of faith reads like something you would find at any mainstream evangelical church, claiming belief in the Trinity, the inerrancy of Scripture, the virgin birth, and the physical return of Jesus. But that is not what they actually teach behind closed doors.

The real theology, which is slowly introduced over months of "free" Bible studies, is classic Shincheonji doctrine:

  • Lee Man-hee is the "Promised Pastor" who alone can interpret the Bible.
  • Jesus has already returned spiritually in the flesh of Lee Man-hee.
  • The Kingdom of God was physically established in South Korea in 1984.
  • The 144,000 are literal Shincheonji members.

None of this appears anywhere on their public website, because if it did, anyone with a search engine would run immediately.

The Hard Proof (The Receipts)

Here is the concrete proof that Good Soil Church is nothing more than a fake identity for a criminal organization.

1. California Corporate Filing (File # BA20241799605):

  • Their legal name is "Shincheonji Church of Jesus the Temple of the Tabernacle of the Testimony."
  • Corporate HQ: 1250 N Red Gum St, Anaheim, CA 92806.
  • Officers: Tuong Nguyen (CEO), Sang J Lee (CFO), and Gary Park (Secretary).

That is the same Gary Park who personally recruited me and told me, to my face, that they are "no longer hiding behind their affiliation." Yet their entire public presence as Good Soil Church proves that is a complete lie, because absolutely nowhere on their website, social media, or outreach materials do they mention Shincheonji, Lee Man-hee, or their actual doctrine. They are still hiding, and they are still lying.

2. IRS Determination Letter (EIN 33-1436405):

The IRS granted them 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status on October 8, 2024. Because they are classified as a church under IRC Section 170(b)(1)(A)(i), they are completely exempt from filing Form 990, which means there is zero public financial disclosure. No one can see how much money they collect or where it goes.

3. South Korean Criminal Conviction (August 31, 2025):

The South Korean government's final investigation report confirmed:

  • Tax Evasion: ₩7.57 billion (approx. $5.53 million USD as of August 31st, 2026) evaded through dual books and 70 branch churches disguised as commercial operations (2016–2020).
  • Political Fraud: 56,472 members were forced to join the People Power Party between 2021–2024 to influence elections.
  • Embezzlement: The former general secretary embezzled ~₩19 billion ($13.86 million USD as of August 31st, 2026) from church finances.

Lee Man-hee and his senior leaders are now formally prosecuted and detained on these charges.

How the Fraud Works (The Money Trail)

The financial fraud is damning and follows a clear pattern:

  1. They set up "Good Soil Church" to look like an independent, humble Christian church.
  2. They run free Bible studies to recruit people, never mentioning Shincheonji or Lee Man-hee.
  3. They collect tax-deductible donations under the "Good Soil" name.
  4. The money is consolidated at their Anaheim HQ (1250 N Red Gum St).
  5. It is then wired to South Korea using the exact same dual-book scheme that Korean authorities have already proven in court.

How They Recruit: The Funnel

The recruitment mechanism is insidious and specifically designed to trap the vulnerable. Good Soil Church advertises Sunday services at 4 PM and promotes itself as a bright, welcoming community where "faith takes root." But these services and the free Bible studies are nothing more than a funnel to recruit new members.

Once you attend, you are love-bombed, invited to small groups, and slowly introduced to Shincheonji theology over several months. The ultimate goal is to get you to recruit your own friends and family, because Shincheonji operates on a strict pyramid-style harvest system where members must bring in new converts to prove their loyalty. The Sunday services are not the main event; they are the front door to a cult that will eventually demand your time, your money, your relationships, and your entire identity.

What I Personally Experienced

I know this because I was inside their learning center at 1940 E Chapman Ave for three to four months. They never once disclosed their true affiliation. They collected what they called "optional" donations, but I later realized those funds were likely being funneled up to the Anaheim headquarters. I left before they fully revealed themselves, but I still have all my notebook notes from their studies, and I can confirm that nothing they taught matched the orthodox Christian statement of faith they publish online.

Furthermore, their Instagram account is currently set to private, which is a deliberate tactic to control the narrative, hide their real content from public scrutiny, and prevent outsiders from seeing the Shincheonji-themed posts that would immediately give them away. They want to approve every single follower before that person can see what they are really about.

What You Can Do

If you know anyone attending Good Soil Church, or if you have seen their ads or flyers around Fullerton, please warn them immediately.

  • Report them to the IRS using Form 13909 for fraudulent solicitation.
  • File a complaint with the California Attorney General's Charitable Trusts Division.
  • Submit a tip to the FBI's IC3 for wire fraud and money laundering.

Key Information to Share

  • Address to avoid: 1940 E Chapman Ave. Unit D, Fullerton, CA 92831
  • Their EIN: 33-1436405
  • Legal Name: Shincheonji Church of Jesus the Temple of the Tabernacle of the Testimony
  • Corporate HQ: 1250 N Red Gum St, Anaheim, CA 92806

Final Warning

This is a criminal enterprise using religious cover to steal money, destroy families, and infiltrate American civic life. The Korean government has already proven it in court. We need to expose them and starve them of new victims before anyone else gets hurt.

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u/INSLVRY4_5yrs — 1 month ago

The 24 Departments of SCJ

Please raise your hand current and ex members if you too are confused about the teaching of the 24 elders mentioned in Revelation are the reality of the 24 departments of SCJ.
Also that the 4 living creatures are the 4 leaders of the Young adult, Men’s, Woman’s, Senior’s departments. ( Whomever they may be at the time, as it changes so often who can keep up)?

The teaching is that this is what LMH saw and heard when he was brought up to heaven. He was told to recreate on earth as it is in heaven.

Be honest, did you think to yourself when you hear this, what would Heaven need with a transportation department, or a sports department, or any of the other silly departments SCJ has and claims Heaven does too?

No matter how tight I close my eyes, I cannot imagine the apostle Paul organizing who’s going to drive the bus to take the harvesting angels to the nearest Boba cafe to use SCJ members as noble instruments to lie to people for their own good until they can better understand, gain their trust, and then lied to them some more.

I’m trying to picture the martyrs typing away, and scouring the Internet, incessantly scrolling and looking for ex members persecuting and poisoning people with the truth of their experiences being a member of SCJ.

I bet you too can see Matthew holding try outs for the Heavenly soccer teams, or try outs for Heavenly Olympics ( like they have SCJ Olympics).

Or, I can just imagine that the angels in Heaven are all video taping themselves to send to
Jesus to show they know how to dress in white shirt, black pants, black socks, black closed toe shoes, short unpainted nails, no jewelry, hair pinned back if it’s long, wearing a tie
the color of your tribe if you’re male, hands folded left over right in front of you.
You know all the important things you need to hear God’s Word and your salvation. Because if you are not dressed accordingly, you cannot enter temple. So they withhold God’s Word from you that day. (Don’t worry it’s not God’s Word, it’s just LMH’s fever dream interpretation of it).

You have to pay attention to those little details of SCJ, but not the little details of the Bible, those you gloss over and pay no attention to, don’t you have faith?

I left months ago and my hand is still raised.

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u/INSLVRY4_5yrs — 2 months ago

Korea trips

Although I was deceived and lied to by most of the people in SCJ, I was very blessed to have ( what SCJ calls a sect ). People I could meet up on Zoom, or call to vent or to and ask questions about all the strange and unusual things going on there.

We noticed that every time people went to Korea for either a graduation or training or anything, no one really talked about it or showed pictures of anything significant or of what the members were doing.
We would jest that they probably never even went to Korea.
Well two leadership heads trusted me and told me a few things of what went on in the Korea trips when I asked why nobody really talks about the Korea trip, everybody has the picture of them at LAX and then the picture at the South Korea airport, the building where the temple is in, a couple highway markers and food. HUHHHHH ???

They had to do a Korea trip training. To do the Eliza Doolittle Korean style make over to you. So you are a proper SCJ saint. You can’t embarrass embarrass yourself or your tribe.
Don’t worry, you don’t have to think for yourself because we’re going to tell you what to wear, what to say, when to day it. We will teach you the rules on how to behave in Korea, for example,
when someone higher up in position than you, stand when they enter the room. When at the dinner table, you cannot eat until they take the first bite. Whenever visiting a place or someone’s home, you had to bring a gift. Always leave a place better than when you first went in. Making sure that when you take your shoes off before entering the house, that you have black socks. You know all those important things . Lol

You had to attend all the meetings, the trainings, are the activities planned for you in advance by headquarters. This was all from the second you got off the plane, no matter if you had jet lag or not.
I had no desire to ever go to Korea, so I did not go even when my trip was offered to be paid for, I refused after being told from the leadership that went. One was a CMN.

  1. The very first night they would be in the temple on the floor in sleeping bags, and then by the second night, most of the people would have Covid and then everybody would have to leave the temple and go to a motel.

  2. They were sleeping two in a single bed at the hotel, and taking group showers. ( Women w/women. Men/men). It was very close quarters and that’s why everyone would end up being sick on the trip.

  3. If they had Covid, they would have to stay in their room until it was time to go so these people spent $3000+ just for a plane ticket to stay in a hotel room in Korea.

  4. They vehemently discourage needing to go to the restroom while you are there at whatever event that you’re attending, so everyone is handed a diaper to wear, and expected to hike up a mountain. I don’t even remember how many miles but it was a lot. If you could not keep up, you were made to turn around and walk back to the bus and sit there and wait for everyone to return in your diaper.

I recall them saying in a training before that the lectures and seminars were so moving and great, that when people got up there were puddles left behind. ( It is probably why they say leave the place better than when you got there).

Nowhere in the Bible is there a passage where Jesus or his disciples are handing out diapers to his followers. Nowhere does he tell them if they can’t physically keep up, they are left behind.
No, Jesus would have left the 99 to go help the one with the heart to want to go too and struggling to keep up because they truly thought they were pleasing God 😭

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u/INSLVRY4_5yrs — 2 months ago

Pay attention to the details

Shincheonji will tell you NOT to worry about “the insignificant details“ whenever someone questions them about a particular verse that they don’t have an answer to. The retort would be “You’re focusing on the details, look at the big picture”.

Why is it then they focus on the tiniest of details of what every single person is wearing down to the color of their socks for service?

I can remember when I was burdened with the chore of being a group leader GYJN, I was told that I had to have every member send me a video recording from their head to their feet before service on what they were wearing to be sure that it was appropriate.
I disobeyed this completely ridiculous and utterly insulting command. My Home group members were women in their late 30’s to mid 50’s, they know how to dress for church.

The women had to have their hair pinned up away from their face. (It was some BS of not wanting to look like the girl from the ring when praying ). I’m sure that’s the first thing that would have came to God‘s mind if He saw.

We had to wear light makeup so that we didn’t look tired or half dead. We had to have color in our cheeks. We had to have a light colored lipstick and wear eyeliner. The women could not wear nail polish and had to have short nails. Supposedly there was something in the Bible that said you had to cut your nails short and not polish them. I don’t know where that is but you know as well as I do, it’s not biblical, and it’s cult church rules.

The amount of time that they would keep people there at the temple or online for the “little details”of rehearsing or when recording that they would send to LMH or JTL or headquarters in Korea would be very detail oriented, and we would have to do it ad nauseam till it was “perfect” for the supposed holier than thou humble servant of God.

What about because LMH loves soccer, they would tell us that we needed to show that we are one by watching a video recording of a soccer match that LMH was watching a t the same time, so that we can be in solidarity with him yet it was during Korean time so this was at are you kidding me o’clock. Fellowship they call it.
Yeah, I consider that fellowship to sitting in my room by myself, staring at a computer screen at 2 o’clock in the morning having to have a bright smile to show that I am grateful and I’m so blessed to be able to be there fellowship in silence with nobody. 😂 I was one alright!

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u/INSLVRY4_5yrs — 2 months ago

Why chapter title tests?

Rev 22:18-19 says we cannot add to or subtract from the Book of Revelation. So why was I given new titles to the chapters of Rev and have to memorize them and get tested on them?
The response when I asked was that the title tells what the chapter is about. That it would helps us remember what is going on in the the chapter. Funny that they are changed to what SCJ wants you to understand about what the chapters mean from LMH’s interpretation.
How is this NOT both adding to or subtracting from the Book of Revelation by making the church members remember his teachings. You can’t deny it because you were (or will be for new members ) tested on new titles and I was there for five years and those titles changed. There are those there that KNOW this changed a couple times. There is no consistency in the disorganization of SCJ.

Mark 3:22-30
Ya being fooled like lambs to the slaughter.
I continue to pray for all current cult members before you go sit for hours poisoning your spirit and chanting words most of you don’t understand in Korean ( supposedly worshiping in spirit and in truth ). Hearing interpretations translated that you have to rely on are the truth because you don’t speak Korean and the whole Service is in Korean and you’re depending on the over worked and tired interpreter trusting you are receiving a correct translation and all being said.

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u/INSLVRY4_5yrs — 2 months ago

To current center students and current SCJ members

Shincheonji, the church of Jesus, Temple of the Tabernacle of the Testimonies ( New Heaven New Earth ) claims to be the Kingdom of God here on earth. If there was any validity to that statement, NO ONE would leave, because it WAS heaven on earth. God would be there! But He is no where near that cult. 

One of the first lies in their Bible Study that they teach you is that God doesn’t hear the prayers of anyone except for those in SCJ. However, they tell you that when you prayed to have a deeper relationship with God, or when you tell them that you were looking for a community of believers to be a part of, or when you tell them that you prayed to God in order to learn the Bible, your prayers were answered. But remember, God only hears the prayers of SCJ saints. Well which is it? 

This is just a small part of the lies and confusing things you will be told to instill fear in you that God was never with you until now, because you’re in their study. You were destined for hell until you said “yes” to joining their cult Boot Camp known as center. If you die while in their Bible study, you are part of the great multitude in white, so you will go to heaven. 

God is not a God of chaos.

1 Cor 14:33 For God is not a God of disorder, but of peace-as in all the congregations of the Lord‘s people.

He is God of order, He is just and true.

SCJ is chaotic, unjust, and lies. Who is the father of chaos, being unjust, and a liar? So whose rules are you following?

SCJ says you follow First God’s Law 2nd the rules of SCJ ( church laws ) 3rd The Laws of the world ( the justice system ) 4th Family laws ( the rules of your household). You will learn quickly that the only rules they want you to follow are the rules of SCJ.

1 John 4:1-3 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false profits have gone out into the world.

But why then is one of the biggest rules SCJ has is not to go on the internet searching for information about them? That anyone speaking out against SCJ or LMH are the deceivers, and betrayers Rev speaks of?

They are also told that if they search online or ask ex-members, they will not be able to discern or will not be able to understand the lies and deceptions that we are sharing of our true experiences of being once members of SCJ. But wasn’t that the whole reason that you joined, and that you stayed with them because you were learning how to discern, but then you can’t be trusted to do so if you inform yourself by testing every spirit?

Please ask yourselves these questions.

  1. When did you ever hear your previous church Pastor tell you not to search about them?
  2. 2.When did your previous church tell you that you can't talk to anyone who has left the church and that they are now demon possessed because they left?
  3. Who else but a cult would shun their congregation members for leaving? Or be told not to speak to other members of the same church, but in a different part of town or state? That you should only be speaking to your Home group members.

This would be completely and utterly suspect right ? So why do you let SCJ do it to you?

  1. When did your previous church ask you for your Social Security number, your blood type, or to take the Myers-Briggs personality test?

SCJ will tell you not evangelizing, not “bearing fruit”, not getting 100% on the same exams you've taken numerous times already but still take every two weeks, ( I was in for five year, and it doesn’t stop ), not memorizing a multitude of verses at a time, if you don’t sacrifice time away from your family and loved ones ( and the list goes on) that you are being a lazy and complacent servant of God. You cry ”Yes and Amen“ to these things boldly during trainings, and meetings,and service agreeing that’s what it is.
The sad truth is that you’re not being a servant of God at all, but a servant for a man in South Korea that has his own agenda. And if you want to go by SCJ teachings and doctrines, then you have to admit whose spirit is in this man because it isn’t God‘s, so again, if you go by their teaching whose spirit is in this 95 ur old Korean man?

By following the rules of this man and his church, isn’t that being lazy and complacent in your faith walk?

Don‘t let a high control cult dictate your walk of faith and allow you to miss out on your salvation. The one Jesus gave you ONCE FOR ALL.

Heb 10:10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 

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u/INSLVRY4_5yrs — 2 months ago