u/Ill-Host960

I start:

Ayanokoji: he is ambidextrous but prefers his right hand — he reads Dark Romance because he finds it psychologically interesting — doesn't like chives but eats them when Horikita invites him to eat — secretly learns Argo — once had a nightmare where Horikita stabs him — Kiyotaka sings out of tune, not really out of tune but he has no artistic expression so he sings like he speaks.

Horikita: secretly likes cute things - knows that Kiyotaka doesn't like chives and purposely prepares them every time she makes her food trap - keeps a teddy bear given to her by Manabu when she was young (Manabu knows this) - secretly reads Romance but chooses the Drama ones to cover her tracks - only has a white ribbon that she carefully washes every day since childhood to put it in her hair or several identical copies of the same ribbon that she buys, it's one or the other.

Kushida: She hates sweets - prefers action films to romantic ones - has already held gay and lesbian dates by candlelight since she "keeps secrets well" and doesn't judge anyone, in the sense that she doesn't care.

Sudo: he already dreams of Horikita as his wife in his sleep - is a mama's boy at home - Onodera is his type of girl but already loves Horikita - has a bulldog who chews his sneakers - is secretly more popular with girls since he wears his glasses.

Kei: she prefers Jennie from BLACKPINK - forcing Kiyotaka watched all the music videos of her favorite stars - is the only one who knows that Kiyotaka sings out of tune and scolds him for it - after the discussion with Horikita, she wants to become one of his best friends - she was like to threaten to throw a plate if Kiyotaka said no to cuddling.

Ryūen: he has a Rottweiler and calls him Demon — good flirt but difficult partner to manage as a couple — Two exes but no serious relationships (he's the one who left them) — His room is often tidy in the morning but messy in the evening — knows how to cook but is better at barbecue — hates geography and biology — finds Horikita more attractive than Ichinose and Kushida.

Hirata: he's gay and knows he is now — his first love is the older goalie at his old school (he didn't know he likes guys at the time) and that's why he started playing soccer — his favorite food is croque-monsieur — his favorite fruit is cherry — he's terrible at matching his clothes, it was Kei who helped him choose and now he can manage — Kushida is the only one who knows he's gay.

I have plenty more for all the characters but it would take too long to write. You can share yours with me so we can laugh together 😊

Personal opinion: but frankly it's not realistic that Suzune's class is the one with the most confirmed traitors and potential traitors since the beginning of the LN.

We have 4 classes and only Suzune's class has more than 2 or 3. Don't talk to me about Hashimoto or Katsuragi because that's still minimal compared to Suzune's. Suzune has really had a terrible class from the beginning: Yamauchi, Maezono, Kushida (before), Matsushita or Haruka (potentially, it's not confirmed but it remains my hypothesis).

Compare with Sakayanagi, Katsuragi had a genuinely good reason for honor, and Hashimoto was the only one who could be called a true traitor. For Ryūen, frankly I didn't see any real treachery, hostility yes, but real treachery against the class certainly. For Ichinose's class, it's even more absurd. How is it that they're the only class that hasn't had a single person question their class? Personally, I've always thought Kanzaki had the profile to accept an offer if given the opportunity to move up to Class A with a 100% guarantee, Ever since he acted like a coward against Suzune during the exam, it had seemed very clear to me. But even then, nobody was not prepared to speak face to face with Ichinose even when everything was going wrong. It angered me even more when they dared to say they would do their best for the class, but in the end no one did anything against Ichinose.

Even if it's childish of me, it reinforces a certain contempt for Kiyotaka for leaving (so she could grow up, admittedly), but adding new traitors to this damn A class dominated by individualists, it wasn't necessary, even if we suspect it's to eliminate underachievers like Shinohara. That still sticks in the craw.

Hi, I've been in the community for a while now. I mostly post questions or fan art about Suzune and Kiyozune. I recently wondered if art with pre-existing foundations was acceptable.

I know it's a rather simple question, but it's still important to me; I'm someone who gets anxious very easily. I often create drawings using reference images as a basis. But I wonder if doing it exclusively with references would be acceptable. I'm sorry, this might be a stupid question.

Tell me your favorite or hated Kiyozune moments that made you want to annihilate Ayanokoji from the face of existence. It's a game to see all the funny reactions we've already had to their scenes.

It could be a random scene, an important or unimportant dialogue, a moment of humor, embarrassment, tenderness, pure anger, or disappointment. Anything that provoked such an intense reaction in you that you later looked back on it and found it funny.

I'll start! For me, it's the moment when he wanted to put his jacket on Suzune in Year 2. You can't imagine my disappointment that he didn't do it, and even more so when Chabachira-sensei had to say that he should just leave and that she should stay near Suzune in his place. I remember throwing my phone and pacing around my room, hitting the bed. And even more frustrated when I read the part about Suzune's dream, I almost melted with inner frustration that he couldn't hear her talking in her sleep.

Did you, like me, see the romantic potential of the scene if he had stayed alone with her while she slept and had put his jacket on her? I don't think she would have been angry because in the end, he would have taken care of her.

I don't think I'm the only one in the scene who might have been disturbed. First of all, please know that this is just an opinion and my own view of the scene; I don't want to attack anyone or anyone.

This scene really made me uncomfortable, especially towards Ichinose, whom I started to hate at that moment. Perhaps I misinterpreted things? But that scene really affected me in a bad way.

This is an important scene for the light novel because it marks a turning point in its own way. But I can't shake this oppressive feeling every time I remember it. This scene gave me an uncomfortable feeling because of the way it unfolded throughout. We all know that this was the result of several schemes by Ayanokoji; he is generally responsible, but not specifically so in my eyes. Let me explain myself more clearly.

He contributed significantly to the turning point that led to this night, even though in the end Ichinose was the sole decision-maker regarding the direction this night was to take. Ayanokoji pulled the strings to put Ichinose in a corner, to see if she will rise again or collapse, in which case he will have her expelled, as he threatened. But he himself said that he hoped a third option, which he had not foreseen, would arise, through Ichinose herself. And that was the case; she had managed to understand his intentions and find a third way out. Something he had foreseen the possibility of but didn't know if it would happen or not.

When I say that, I'm specifically talking about those that were going to happen. He had foreseen the emergence of a third option, but not the very nature of the third option. I think this is a difference that many have forgotten or not noticed regarding the scene. The fact that she had managed to corner Ayanokoji already proved that she had somehow gotten what she wanted, Because she piqued his curiosity enough to make him come anyway, even though she had prepared herself for the possibility that he might not come. That's pretty much what I meant about the context of the scene.

Now I would like to get to the heart of what bothered me. This may be an opinion that many do not share, and I respect that, and perhaps I am wrong in thinking this, so I thank you for correcting me if necessary.

I sincerely believe that this scene had a much darker subtext. I only felt discomfort when the conversation turned to the fact that he couldn't go out for fear of being seen. That moment when they were talking without even considering the simple fact that he would have to sleep there, the fact that they kept emphasizing that it was just the two of them, I don't even want to talk about the time she got close to him. I'm not going to talk about the act itself, which is almost confirmed, but about how it actually happened.

We all pretty much agree that it was some kind of exchange, but the circumstances of that exchange make it impossible for me to accept it in that way. I wouldn't say that this situation wasn't "consensual" to some extent, But this situation is mentally preventing me from accepting what happened. As I said before, I know he is largely responsible for the circumstances that led to this, but the final outcome was in Ichinose's hands, she was the one who found the third way out. The scene clearly shows that she was the one who got on top of him; she completely initiated the act in my eyes. She was the first to want this specific outcome, that's why she put herself on him, She had completely initiated the desire to do it and that's why she pushed him onto the bed, to position herself above him in a very specific way so that he wouldn't move away. It's still quite a telling body language, and during that simple moment, Ayanokoji said absolutely nothing before she got on top of him, including asking permission to touch him. I don't think she would have gone this far if he had said something, but the fact that he said nothing is also important because it means that he neither agreed nor disagreed with it.

Now I'm going to address the aspect that shows the scene is "consensual" in a general way, but at the same time quite unhealthy in my eyes. The very fact that absolutely nothing is said is already revealing. Throughout the entire moment we only have the description of what is happening, only the few words he says to her when she asks him the question. In his scene, he didn't really speak to give an opinion on what she was doing to him, He only gives a neutral but not negative response, send me a little of what I want to say. I did not see him utter a single sentence that made any sense of his opinion on the situation. The fact that it was going to happen without saying anything does not mean that he disagreed, but it also does not mean that he agreed; he just let it happen out of curiosity. Ayanokoji doesn't say no or yes, he simply says something that starts out as "you can touch me," But that's not exactly it, sentence for sentence, put the context so that we don't take it that way because he himself doesn't see it as something he doesn't agree with. We all know that he could very well have rejected her, especially physically if he had wanted to. The mere fact that he did not disagree with the situation made us take it as something he accepted, especially when he himself said he wanted to see where it leads. Let's not forget that he's capable of an unhealthy curiosity; this has always been evident in the way he sought out feelings, often through questionable methods, such as stirring up jealousy and being neglected, as with Kei. That's why I said the scene was generally consensual, because in the end it was more curiosity that led him to accept and let things happen.

Ayanokoji is a person whose satisfaction of emotional curiosity will surpass even a situation that we might consider horrible from our point of view. He constantly seeks out positive and negative emotions on the same level and doesn't reserve one for the other, if you see where I'm going with this.

That's why, in my eyes, this scene frankly demoralized me and destroyed what little esteem I still had for Ichinose, in addition to showing me how far Ayanokoji can go to feel even a negative or positive sensation. I maintain that he is responsible for Ichinose's condition, if we forget the classes of Ryūen and Sakayanagi who threw obstacles in his path. All of this has led Ichinose to this point, but the decision to do so came solely from her, as there was no verbal approval from Ayanokoji. And I certainly won't forget that Ichinose wanted to do it without knowing that he had broken up with Karuisawa. Ayanokoji didn't tell him because she hadn't asked at the beginning of the act. And the fact that she says at the time that Kei might have his heart broken if she finds out (it's implied when she says if he isn't afraid that Karuisawa will find out) It gives me the strange impression that she would have been capable of telling Karuisawa so that she would leave him, if he hadn't broken up with her. It disgusts me because, given the current volumes, she would be capable of it.

This is entirely my opinion and my interpretation of the scene, and I could be completely wrong as well. That's how I saw it and perceived it, so please, if there's anyone who can respond respectfully and tell me if I'm right or wrong, I would be grateful.

I'm not kidding, has anyone ever seen a fan-made Suzune animation, or an account that makes them?

I'm not talking about fan art, but 2D animation. There are so many animators out there, but I've never seen one who's a big enough fan of Classroom of the Elite, and especially Suzune, to make videos about her.

Even more so being a fervent fan of the Kiyozune ship (that would be like a bonus for me) but I want to focus primarily on Suzune.

This is a copy of a comment I left about Wistoria.

Simply because he's not the type to do that. Will's defining characteristic is loyalty. Although he is in a harem trope, he does not have the characteristics of one, and even less those of someone who is polygamous, because he knows what that implies.He is more like Kirito than like Cid or Rudeus or anyone else. Despite having a harem, he is loyal and only romantically loves one woman, and that is Elferia, just like Kirito with Asuna.

Especially since it would prove that none of Collette, Lihanna or Iris's fans actually respect them and that they just want a harem ending for their fantasies. I don't consider those who want this kind of ending permanently just using the excuse of avoiding ship wars. Because in the end, none of them won because they will only be options from the beginning and not real women. Wistoria is not a rom-com like "100 Girlfriends Who Love You to Death" where the main theme is polygamy And that's understandable. If in every damn romance novel the protagonist had to end up with every girl, it would just be satisfying fantasies and insulting female characters by transforming them into mere trophies for wives. In works where polygamy is the goal I completely understand, but wanting that in works like Wistoria where the romance has already been established for a long time is just completely stupid.

I would much rather Elfie remain single or die than become yet another victim of this kind of thing. Strangely, people always want that in works where it is clearly shown that the protagonist will only end up with one girl he loves (Hey SAO). They want to set Will up with the girl they want without any regard for his feelings, just to console them and not for the sake of the character they support. Much like Bell and Ais in Danmachi, the author likes to play with the hearts of the losing girls rather than keep them independent.

Ps : I hope that won't be the case for Collette, because the only thing wrong with her is her inability to understand that Will loves someone else and her desire to interfere in a relationship that she clearly saw was mutual. Especially since she was furious when she saw that Elfie wasn't what she thought she was, and she realized that she never played with Will. The fight against Zeo proves it, but she doesn't want to face the truth because it's too hard to admit that she's never had any luck.

He should respect my girl, damn it ! Especially since there is more potential to develop her growth after acceptance rather than keeping her as a girl in love.

I just went on Twitter and all my feed is people making rankings and putting Hiyori in first place. I had already seen fans have Hiyori as their favorite character so it's not new, she was already among the most popular even by me.

But the problem is, strangely enough, everyone has it in first place, even accounts I know where it wasn't the case before. I don't want people to take this as a rant, I don't know if it's just a fad since Hiyori is in the spotlight now, but frankly, I think it seems quite hypocritical to some.