u/Inevitable_Discount

It's like Jesus Christ.....how many kids did this chomo have access to?!!?! It feels as though he had a goddamn kid for every day of the week!!! Don't get me wrong, under normal circumstances involving consenting adults, this would be a non-issue. Hell, after I separated and divorced my ex-husband, I had a dude for every day of the week. When you put it in the light of a WHOLE GROWN ASS man doing this with kids, it's fuckin creepy.

I don't recall any celebrity that actively went out of their way to surround themselves with as many children as possible. It's not like he was a '90s Nickelodeon game show host or worked on a kids' show like Barney. It's almost like the singing and dancing shit was a hobby to him; a way to make money, but his true focus was to gain access to as many children as possible. It's not like he had any romantic interests outside of children. Any time that bastard would sit on the phone for hours upon hours with 10 year olds. Where would he find the time to bump uglies with an adult. I can't speak for all women, but I know I am high maintenance af. In fact, that's what completely turned me off to Michael Jackson. When I was 14, I would spend time on the phone with boys around my age. Why was Michael not spending hours on the phone with people his age?!?!!

It seemed like at every red-carpet event, black tie affair, or awards show, the son of a bitch would be holding the hand of a child. Not a lady nor a man. A child!!!!!!!

Also, I want to point out how fuckin creepy that photo is. If one did not know who Michael Jackson was, they would think this is a photo of a single mother who dragged her reluctant son to the local JC Penney's to get a budget friendly photo shoot. Ever since the Cascios came out with their story and showed the photos of them with Michael Jackson, I noticed a similar theme in the photos Michael took with the children; most of the children have a thousand-yard stare. It's like they have seen some horrifying shit. They look traumatized.

I don't see how anyone can sit there and deny that something untoward was going on between Michael and those kids.

Michael Jackson can go fuck himself!!!

Hello all!!!

I was a gigantic fan of NYPD Blue in my tweens and teenage years (1993-2000). I used to watch it with my dad. When I was in college, I watched it here and there and once Sorenson was murdered, I kinda gave up on it.

I just came to say, outside of the Kirkendall story arc (where Kirkendall gave up everything and went on the lam with her ex-husband), the other most ridiculous story arc was the saga of the Lesniak/Martinez relationship.

Who thought this was a good idea!?!?

So, in Season 3 (I don't know if it was the beginning of the season or the middle), Martinez is wounded in a shoot-out in an alley. I thought at the time that the show was going to kill Martinez off!!!! He was so goofy, that I couldn't help but to like him.

While Martinez was recovering in the hospital (thanks the Goddess), who but Detective Lesniak shows up to show her support to her co-worker. I think she brought flowers with her, it's been so long I can't remember. I remember she kept going to the hospital throughout different episodes to see him (I think one episode the doctors told him that he may lose his leg or some shit and Lesniak was looking terrified at the thought of it. MORESO THAN JAMES!!!!).

The officers at the 15th are eagle eyed and peeped that Lesniak was visiting James constantly and they started some scuttlebutt about Lesniak and Martinez hooking up.

Uncomfortable about the rumors that are swirling around the station about her love life, Lesniak tells Medavoy that she's a lesbian. That doesn't stop Lesniak from still giving Martinez those tender and yearning glances when he's fully recovered and back on the beat. Later on, in an attempt to ward off James' advances, Lesniak tells him that she's a lesbian. James' big mouth, goofy ass starts blabbing it to people.

Then the story takes a hard left and Lesniak is wondering if she might be gay for no particular reason. She disappears for a few episodes, comes back, and then is hetero. Lesniak decides that she does want James after all, and the two start a relationship. Granted, they act all sheepish around each other and act like damn 5th graders in their first relationship ever, but a romantic relationship is started.

Lesniak gets some advice from Donna Abandando on her "big night" with Martinez. After a childish, inane type of flirting between Martinez and Lesniak in someone's car, Martinez comes upstairs to Lesniak's apartment and they hook up.

That was a costly mistake on James' part, as almost overnight, Lesniak turns into a clingy high school girlfriend. She goes from pouting (because Martinez forgot something or another) or downright enraged (when Medavoy and Martinez were investigating some adult film actress who was getting stalked) whenever Martinez did something that she didn't want him to do. I guess Martinez must have put it down good that night.

He couldn't piss or sneeze without Lesniak being right over his shoulder. She was jealous!!!

What I don't get about the fuckin storyline is the writing and handling of Lesniak's character.  I don't get the whole professing to be gay in order to ward off someone's advances? What the fuck? What are you 14? If that's what's called handling a relationship you're too immature to maintain one anyway. She should have never gone for Martinez anyway, as he's handsome until he opens up his goofy mouth.

In the end, Martinez, fed up with the constant nagging, has a sit down with Lesniak and breaks it off with her, leaving her lost until she disappeared in between seasons. She was gone faster than a toupee in a hurricane.

This plotline was absolute shit and didn't do any characters involved any favors in any capacity.

Hello all!!! Happy Friday!!!

I want to preface this by saying that Jordan Chandler is an incredibly brave soul. He was not going to tolerate the horrific abuse that Michael subjected him to and he told what Michael did, as a child. It must have been incredibly overwhelming that you're a child going up against one of the most powerful men on this planet. It couldn't have been easy. That's why I admire his bravery.

Doing a bit of reading on the Chandler Case, I noticed several creepy elements about it. I NEVER once doubted the claims, even back when I was an 11-year-old when all of this news dropped, but I am ultimately convinced that Michael was a serial predator and I think Michael was pretty well seasoned as a predator when he happened upon Jordan.

Let me start with how Michael successfully achieved having the boy get in bed with him. According to Jordan, during a trip to Las Vegas with Michael, June, and his kid sister, Lily, Michael and Jordan were in Michael's room, watching "The Exorcist". I think I heard on this very sub that Michael was also watching "The Exorcist" with Taj and somebody else. That seemed to be:

A: Michael's go to "grooming" movie

and

B: Where he got his look from.

At this point in the Las Vegas trip, June and Lily shared a room, Jordan had his very own room, and Michael had his own room. Probably freaked out because of the movie, Jordan agreed to share the bed with Michael.

I can't blame him. My older brother snuck and rented "The Exorcist" when I was about 12 on VHS. We watched it with a group of neighborhood friends and I could NOT sleep that night. That movie freaked me out so bad. Everyone else just laughed at it. THAT'S NOT A MOVIE A 12-YEAR-OLD SHOULD BE WATCHING!!!!

Nothing happened that night and when Jordan told June the next morning that he shared a bed with Jackson, June told him not to do that again.

When Jordan told MJ about what his mother's response was to a 30 something old man sleeping in the same bed with a 13-year-old boy, Jackson started crying and complaining about how "nobody understands, WAHHH WAHH WAHHH, I'm the victim! It's natural!!! WAHHHH!" Then his crazy, child molesting ass had the nerve to say: "She can't set up barricades like that!!"

Um.....

Bitch, that's his mother. He's a minor. She can set up all the barricades she wants to.

According to June Chandler, one night, Michael and Jordie were supposed to go see a Cirque du Soleil performance. Around 11 pm, Cirque du Soleil phoned their room at The Mirage. When June answered, a receptionist was asking June where Michael was, as he was expected to be there. The receptionist called twice looking for Michael and Jordan. Half an hour later, Michael arrived back at the suite with Jordan in tow, bawling his eyes out and throwing a tantrum like a 3-year-old who couldn't get a toy at the Walmart.

"We're family!! You don't trust me? Why won't you let me have him? Why can't I be with him? No, why can't I be with him in my bed?! There's nothing wrong with it. It's natural!!!"

Meanwhile, Jordan just sat there, quiet.

After a back and forth between June and Michael for at least half an hour, June relented and allowed Jordan to sleep in the bed at night with Whacko Jacko.

There are so many things to unpack.

First, I can't speak for June. I am not about to speak for June. However, after I told Michael "no" the second time, and he still kept pushing the issue instead of dropping it, I would have grabbed my kids and we would have started packing while I told Michael: "Get me a plane ticket and get me home. No. No!!! Call your fuckin limo and get me a plane ticket back home!!!"

It comes across as so bizarre that a 34 1/2-year-old man is begging me, through tears, to share a bed with my son, all the while trying to manipulate me.

Speaking of manipulation, it is clear that Michael is pretty adept at it, using words such as "trust" and emphasizing the fact that they are family. I know Michael grew up in a pretty fucked up family, but stable families don't intentionally hurt each other like what Michael did to Jordan each time they shared time alone. Also, why should I trust you if you will pull this kinda infantile bullshit every time you hear the word "No"!?!? That's clear manipulation.

Also, I want to know what Michael was doing with Jordan in the time to get to the performance and when he finally showed back up at the suite 30 minutes after the performance began. If the performance began at 11, I'm sure that the two didn't just leave at 11. You're a celebrity, people are expecting you. If you don't show up, especially since you're a celebrity, people are going to get worried. What the fuck were they doing?!!?

After the Vegas trip, Michael started ramping up the grooming a bit because he felt he was free and clear to hurt this poor kid. Like Gavin and James, there was a slow escalation of physical contact between the two.

It started with hugs and then he started kissing this underaged, unrelated minor child on the lips. It's really fuckin disgusting.

Then, Michael tried to tongue kiss this child. Jordan stood up for himself at that point and told Michael that he did not appreciate Michael's tongue all down his throat and to knock it off. Jackson responded by telling this kid this weird, freaky, fuckin fantasy bullshit about people who could "levitate".

Listen, I'm not even sure I can even recite verbatim what Michael said, but I know what he meant. Michael told this impressionable, innocent 13 year old boy about people who "levitate" are unconditioned or some shit because they weren't "conditioned" that gravity existed. Those who were "unconditioned" wouldn't see anything wrong with Michael trying to rape a minor.

In other words, Michael was pretty much saying that pedophiles wouldn't mind what he and Jordan were up to.

And my question to the stupid ass defenders is: How in the fuck would a 13-year-old boy, in 1993, let alone his parents, be that fuckin detailed on some wild shit like that?!?!

The other part, that I find alarming, is in Jordan's interview with Dr. Richard Gardner is that Jordie mentioned a cousin of Michael's. It may not be Michael's actual cousin as pseudonyms were used but it's still creepy nonetheless.

“On the tours. And he was on the news saying what?”

“He said, ‘I will admit that Michael and I are friends and we do sleep in the same bed, but Michael has never touched me,’ and, ‘it’s a really big bed’.”

“So he spoke about his cousin. And what did he say about Tommy Jones?”

“He said that, um, like, if he wanted me to do something with him, he would say that Tommy did that with him, so that I would do it. And, like, if I didn’t do it, then I didn’t love him as much as Tommy did.” [Jordie makes a heavy sigh.]

Who was this "Tommy" supposed to be? I think it was Macaulay, honestly. It's also creepy that Michael would pull some childish, predatory shit like that, with the whole "well, when I'm with this person, they do that because they love me!" That's so manipulative and cruel. Also, we see Michael pitting Jordan against this "Tommy" as they become rivals for Jackson's affection. That's why I believe the Cascios so much because Michael essentially pitted all of those siblings against each other so they wouldn't tell.

Jackson also told Jordan that their "relationship" was in a secret box that only they would know and it'll be their lil secret. That has eerie similarities of the "marriage" between Michael Jack and James.

Sorry to ramble on and on, and I'll end my ramblings here, but yeah, there are certain aspects of this case that creep me out as it shows Michael was well aware of what he was doing and he was clearly very adept at manipulation, cruelty, lying, and sexual abuse by the time he met up with Jordan.

Fuck Michael Jackson!!!!

P.S>. Does anyone have any of the case files on Jane Doe who was also molested by MJ? I would like to read through those as I heard Michael was far more violent and threatening towards her. I suspect it was because she was a girl and we all know how Michael felt about females.

Sources: MJ’s Bed: Debunking the Myths Behind Michael Jackson’s Sleepovers

Dr Richard Gardner’s Interview with Jordan Chandler

Sorry. Forgot my sources.

Hello all.

Let me preface this by saying that all of the boys and girls that Michael has abused were victims. I make this post not to say that one had it worse than the other, but I feel that Gavin suffered the worst before, during, and after the abuse and was made an example of by the Estate that it probably prevented more victims from stepping forward until Jimmy, Wade, Jane Doe, and the Cascios came forward with their stories.

I know Gavin can tell his story and it's really not my place in which to do so, but I am going to attempt to explain why I feel Michael was absolutely heinous with his abuse of Gavin

1. The Cancer

Gavin was battling cancer during his childhood. It always breaks my heart to see cancer patients, let alone when they are children. Growing up in Winnetka, there was a kid on my block named Tommy who had childhood leukemia. He became friends with my older brother and his mother could make a damn good chicken piccata. I always felt bad for him because, unlike his peers, he had low energy levels and couldn't run, ride his bike, play baseball. He just watched all the kids on the block do it and that seemed to satisfy him. It made me wonder what vile force would do something like that to children. It's probably the reason I'm an atheist in my adult life.

As far as Gavin goes, his last wish was to meet his hero, Michael Jackson. Jackson was informed of this and almost immediately he called the 10-year-old boy who was going through chemo. He and Michael would talk for hours. What grown man would talk for hours with a 10-year-old!?!? Michael then invited Gavin and his family to the Neverland Ranch. Jackson invited his new "special friend" and his little brother, Star, to sleep in his bed, but not alone, as Frank and Eddie Cascio and Jackson's children occupied the room as well.

2. "Living with Michael Jackson"

Always the one to take advantage of young, impressionable boys, Michael, in a bizarre power play, had Gavin defend him on camera. Michael was gripping Gavin's hand so hard during this segment, as though they were in a loving, consensual, committed relationship. Gavin implied that Michael had cured his cancer. He then put his head on Michael's shoulder. At this point, Michael felt the need to re-establish his opinion that he sees nothing wrong with sharing a bed with a child that is unrelated to him. If John Q. Public would say this at an HOA meeting, the community would be at his doorstep with torches and pitchforks. But not Michael Jack. He is immune to any sort of standards that everyone else is to abide by. In fact, Bashir, the journalist that covered this documentary, was accused of "yellow journalism", because fuck forbid anyone look at Whacko Jacko in any other light besides this benevolent, angelic, asexual deity. Give me a fuckin break.

3. The grooming

Like with so many of Jackson's victims, there is a lengthy grooming process that Jackson goes about. I truly believe he does this to both the parents and the children to see what the fuck he can get away with, and then escalates his behavior from there. In the use case with Gavin, Jackson manipulated Gavin on what to say on camera, so Jackson probably felt that he can make his sick move to molest the 12-year-old boy. Jackson started purchasing Gavin expensive gifts such as laptops and a Miami trip. Gavin's mother, Janet, felt a bit suspicious about this whole thing, but never acted on her intuition.

I also wanted to point out that Gavin's father up and abandoned his family during Gavin's battle with cancer. This probably sent Gavin spiraling. I couldn't imagine what he was going through. Here you had a 11-year-old boy whose father just vanished, pretty much signaling that he never really cared for the family. Michael looked at the situation with glee and immediately took advantage of his emotionally distraught soon-to-be victim by calling him "son". Gavin, very vulnerable and traumatized by his current scenario, returned the endearment by calling Michael "dad". After all, the boy probably longed for any sort of positive male influence in his life.

Michael then escalated his sordid behavior by giving Gavin what Michael called "Jesus juice", which was just wine in pop cans. This began on the flight back from Miami to the Neverland Ranch. While at Neverland, Michael kept going down to the wine cellar with Gavin in tow. I believe Michael did this to lower Gavin's defenses and to make him more pliant so that he couldn't fight back. I just find it absolutely heart wrenching and repulsive that a 45-year-old man would be getting a 13-year-old boy lit like that. It's completely unacceptable.

During the grooming process, Mike decided it would be funny to make out with a female mannequin in his bedroom in front of Gavin and Star. I don't know, for shits and giggles, I guess, or to introduce sex acts to the two boys so that he can use that to manipulate his target later on. Also, I think after this, is when Jackson decided to show Gavin and Star some "barely legal" porno mags, probably while giggling. During Jackson's arrest, Gavin told the investigators where Mike stored these magazines (I believe in a suitcase in his bedroom), and the forensics team found Michael's, Gavin's, and Star's fingerprints in the magazine.

Michael kept trying to see what he could get away with and it was after this that Michael decided to escalate things in a way that is every parent's worst nightmare.

4. The abuse

Michael continued to allow Gavin and Star sleep in his bed and was extremely happy that he could have this relationship with this kid. It probably tickled his fancy. I guess at some point, Michael decided he was done playing games and ready to victimize this poor boy.

Whacko Jacko began the mind games and manipulation with Gavin by telling him that guys have to masturbate or they will go crazy. He explained that he once heard of a man raping a dog because he didn't masturbate. I wonder what kinda sick shit was going through Michael's head if he was making this shit up, or if he heard it via third party, what kind fucked up people he hung around. And how awful he was to be telling this kinda fucked up shit to a 13-year-old child!!!! That's the part I can't wrap my head around. Like, Michael is seriously fucked in the head to be saying that kinda bullshit to a kid.

He told Gavin that all guys need to masturbate, that it's natural, and if Gavin didn't know how to do it, Michael will show him (sound familiar??) Michael immediately reached into Gavin's pants and began to masturbate him until he ejaculated. Gavin had no idea what Michael was doing because he wasn't looking at him. Afterwards, Gavin felt confused and embarrassed, so Michael held him and once again reiterated that it's "natural". No, it's not natural for a 45-year-old asshole, sicko, pedophile to jerk a 13-year-old boy off. That's reprehensible!!!! Nasty ass Michael.

The following day, Gavin and Jackson were in Jackson's bed watching a movie together. Jackson attempted to molest Gavin again by grabbing Gavin's hand and trying to put Gavin's hand on his dick. Gavin rightly jerked his arm away out of Jackson's grasp.

It's so sick the shit Michael was doing to this boy. It makes my heart weep.

Luckily, Gavin did the right thing and told what Michael did. Janet immediately removed both Gavin and Star from Neverland Ranch and they snitched to the authorities. Michael was promptly arrested.

5. The Trial

There's this misconception that the Arvizo family were about money and just wanted money from Michael. Nothing could be further from the truth. This is where I think the Estate became enraged and vindictive. Michael was able to escape this sort of situation by just paying his victims off to be free to move on to molest the next boy. Not in this use case. This was the first time that Whacko Jacko had to face the music, as this young boy didn't care about money, he wanted justice for the vile actions that Michael subjected him to. His dignity couldn't be bought at any price. I applaud Gavin for his bravery.

However, this is also where I feel the saddest.

Since Michael's back was to the wall in this instance, he reacted like the trapped animal he was, probably having his lawyers attack the Arvizo family's character.

Before I get to that, I just wanted to say that not only did Gavin have to tell his story to the authorities, a story that he clearly felt extremely embarrassed and hurt by, he essentially had to tell it to the whole world, as not only the jury heard it, but reporters parroted it to the whole nation constantly. That surely had to have had some effect on him.

He was also betrayed by a bevy of Michael's "special friends", even one who was a victim himself. Brett Barnes, Macaulay Culkin, and Wade Robson all said that "it never happened to me. Michael was on his best behavior when I was around him." While I'm on the fence about Mac ever being abused, we know that Wade was and I think Brett was but just hasn't come to terms with it yet to tell his story.

While, yes, I understand that abuse victims tend to not want to revisit their abuse, especially in a public forum and in a large case such as this (male abuse victims are even less likely to do this and when they do, they are ridiculed, just look at when Terry Crews came out and stated he was sexually assaulted and that bitch Wendy Williams had the audacity to make snarky comments about it, which is why her ass in a hospital somewhere in a catatonic state), this was the perfect opportunity for all of Michael's victims to form a united front against Michael and the Estate. Had Wade just stated "You know what, Michael did molest me," then maybe Safechuck (who refused to even be part of the spectacle of the trial), may have came forward with his story and the Cascios would have felt compelled to share their story. Michael and the Estate would have been overwhelmed with these accusations, which would have legitimately tarnished Michael's career. The Estate would never been able to rewrite history with shitty, one-sided movies in this timeline.

Michael's lawyers also decided to take it upon themselves to show the Arvizo family as "grifters"; people that only wanted cash and were trying to scam Michael. I don't know if they have the same mindset as me, but I wouldn't fake being sexually assaulted, in such vivid detail, just to get a little bit of cash. And speaking of the sexual assault, what Gavin describes, the grooming and the sex acts, rings eerily similar to what happened to Jordan Chandler back in 1993. The internet was not as advanced in 2003 as it is now. Most of Jordan's testimony of what Michael did to him were in documents, which I doubt were transposed to the internet at that time. They could have been, but that would require a 13-year-old kid to access legal library websites online and search for hours on end to come up with that, and then memorize it to a tee.

In the end, Michael walked because some asshole jury foreman wanted a "smoking gun" in a sexual assault case. Fuckin idiot. From what I've read, there's very little in the way of a direct "smoking gun" in a sexual assault case. Instead of looking at the case from a "is he capable of committing this," sort of way, the jury foreman wanted semen or blood. The fuck? Based on Michael's 1993 allegations, I would say that Michael had the means, opportunity, and motive to hurt poor Gavin.

Out of all of Michael's victims, my heart cries the absolute most for Gavin. Not only was victimized by Michael, he was victimized by the jury (one juror went to an after party hosted by the Estate after Michael walked), the reporters who sensationalized this case, Michael's lawyers, and Michael's "special friends", one of which was a victim himself!!

Fuck Michael Jackson!!!!

Sources:

Michael Jackson and Gavin Arvizo (2003) – MJandboys

Michael Jackson: The Trial review – these unheard recordings of the singer make for alarming listening | Television | The Guardian

Jackson molested me twice, says teenager - ABC News

The Arvizos Never Sought Money: What the Testimony Really Shows

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Hello all!!!! Happy Friday!!!

During a recent rewatch of Nightmare on Elm Street Part 2: Freddy's Revenge, I just wanted to come and discuss with you all a ridiculous scene in this movie full of them (Jesse jammin in his bedroom, exploding bird, the dogs with baby faces, etc.).

The scene in question is the leather bar scene.

Freddy somehow causes lightning to strike the dishes in the Walsh's kitchen. Jesse starts acting like he's possessed or some shit and walks to "Don's Place" in the pouring rain. Once inside, Jess just saunters up to the bar and confidently orders a beer. The barkeep pours him beer in a glass and as Jesse reaches for the glass full of beer to take a refreshing sip of the brewski, The Coach from his school randomly appears and slams Jesse's arm down to prevent the underage drinking.

Okay. That's all well and good, because he prevented a crime and could potentially get that bar investigated by the local authorities. That's not the ridiculous part, as there was a nice bit of foreshadowing by Jesse's friend, Grady, earlier in the movie, where Grady warns Jess that The Coach hangs out at leather bars downtown.

The ridiculous part is what comes next.

After The Asshole Coach (from this point forward, I will lovingly refer to him as TAC) catches Jess trying to get his swerve on after dark, TAC takes this kid back to school to make him run laps around the basketball court. BAREFOOT!!!!!

What!?!?! Excuse me!??!

Then he physically assaults Jess by pushing him into a stack of chairs and tells him to hit the showers. While Jesse is showering, we see TAC grabbing rope in his office before he is dispatched.

I have many questions.

What was TAC going to do with Jess? Tie him up? Also, how did he convince Jess to even go with him back to school anyway? The whole noble cause of "Hey, he was about to commit a crime and drink underage," goes out of the window to the authorities when you admit that you kidnapped a minor, transporting him back to school to "punish" and physically assault him. Also, how was TAC even sure that Jesse wouldn't snitch on him when he got back home? It's not like Jess was blackout drunk and doesn't remember anything. He knew perfectly well what was going on.

What was TAC's excuse going to be? "Oh, I didn't do nothing," when there were probably multiple people who saw Jess leave with TAC. How was he going to get Jesse back home, anyway? Was he just going to kick him out of his car near Elm Street and make him walk? Why didn't TAC just take Jess back home, ring the doorbell for fuck knows how long until one of his parents (or both) answered it, and then tell the parents: "Hey, I caught your lil rugrat at Chappie's downtown trying to drink a beer. Keep a tight leash on this one!" His parents (especially Dad) thought Jesse was kinda going crazy/on drugs/up to no good anyway. They probably would have found TAC's leather getup tacky as all get out, but they would have heeded his words.

Instead, TAC took it upon himself to kidnap this boy (because I'm sure none of this was consensual), take him to school, and torture him. What the hell was his end game in all of this?!?!?

It's ridiculous.