Image 1 — Kataang's core of existence makes it impossible to work in ANY universe
Image 2 — Kataang's core of existence makes it impossible to work in ANY universe

Kataang's core of existence makes it impossible to work in ANY universe

So, I wanted to make a post about Kataang since I created this team, but because Im on vacation I didnt have the time, and i have so many things to say that I'll make more posts in the future as well so...lets go.

We all know why Kataang cannot work in terms of maturity, boundaries etc, but we havent thought that EVEN the core of Kataang, the idea behind it makes it impossible for this ship to even exist.

THE BABY SITTING FANTASY

[ "A younger boy has a crush on an older girl who views him like a "babysitter" or a "little brother" ]

Lets all try to digest that.

So, Bryke basically try to normalize to KIDS that watch the show that a child and its babysitter is normal and its okay if you try to kiss her and she kisses you back.

Here is the thing, yes some people say no, thats not true, but the show is for kids. The message is simple. The main character is the viewer ( the kid), the love interest is the baby sitter ( Katara aka the girl the child might like). They try to call this relationship "normal" when in the first place, there shouldnt be ANY RELATIONSHIP to begin with!

No, its not normal for the child and the babysitter to make out. No, its not normal for the party that is responsible for taking care of the other party that needs to be pretected as the imatture and younger one, to be involved in an intimate relationship with it.

No, it wasnt normal for Katara to act like Aang's mother, then pretending to be his mother, and to then make out with him. No, it wasnt normal for Aang to expect for Katara to want to become his girlfriend.

If this was real life, the babysitter would be in big trouble. And this in fact doesnt work in the live action either.

THE LIVE ACTION PROBLEM

When I see two actors, who's one of them is 14 years old and the other is 18, and they are filming "romantic" coded scenes together, I want to vomit. Gordon was 14 when they filmed s2 and s3, and turned 15 when they finished it. Kiawentiio was 18 and then 19. So, this is not a gap of 2 years that still doesnt make sense in the cartoon, in this version, Katara and Aang have a BIGGER age gap, and not only that, but WE CAN ALL TELL.

Kiawentiio in those scenes looked so UNCOFORTABLE that made me even me feel it. I felt so weird when Gordon was directed to look at her like he has a crush on her that I could not even see it more than onces. I had to though, in order to talk about it now and I STILL FEEL THE SAME WEIRD AND UNCOFORTABLE VIBES i felt whe i first saw their " moments".

Yes, Netflix has made a minor and an adult to make out before. In "Never have i ever" the actors were 17 and 27, but here is the thing. Here, Gordon is 14. He is not as mature as a 17 year old. In season 3's filming, he was STILL 14.

People expecting for them to kiss, making videos about them, shipping even the actors etc, are SICK. And the funny thing is, that in the cartoon, they keep shipping them, because they cannot tell that this is how they would look like if they were real ( image above):

THE RACISM THEORY

Aang is a racist. Yes, he is the Avatar and all, he always seems to remember how to bow correctly and act WHENEVER IT IS CONVENIENT for the narrative. BUT! Whe in comes to Katara's nationality, Aang has a problem with it. Why? Because Katara's nationality with Aang's are the opposites of each other. The Southern Water Tribe is a culture that allows marriages. A culture where its people eat meat, use in their everyday life animals' fur, they eat what they can get from narute around them. Aang's nation doest do all those things. Air Nomads people do not allow marriages, the very existence of children is happening because IT MUST HAPPEN. They are all vegeterians, they do not use ( according to the narrative) animals' fur, or eat the same things, which is why Aang seems to be disgusted by Katara's nation habits a lot in the show ( IT HAPPENED MANY TIMES, ONLY WITH HER NATION THOUGH).

And this is why Kataang is worse that you think. This is why Aang's believes about the creation of his people from the start, is crueler than you think. Based on the narrative that Bryke and the other writers wanted to follow in the first series, Aang is not only traumatised from the loss of his people (even if in the atla we only saw him experiencing the grief for a few episodes), and that lead him in LOK, to take the decision and make Katara have 3 children in order to "get out of her" an airbender. But Aang's nation is basically lead him to it. It is his duty as an Air Nomad to do that, to find a woman to give birth to his children and then...not care at all about them. Because thats what the Airnomads USED TO DO. See how worse things get? And it only gets worse.

Since Aang didnt like Katara's culture at all in the atla, not making his kids adapt Katara's culture elements in ANY domain in their life, not allowing ( READ IT AGAIN, NOT ALLOWING), Katara to show her kids ANYTHING about her culture and instead focusing their whole existences and childhood to Aang's culture and identity, teaching them WHY THEY ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO BE AIRNOMADS, introducing them to the believes of the Air Nomads and NEVER to the Southern Water's Tribe's, the nation that is very different from Aang's even in terms of the usual habbits of life, the culture that the husband's believes are contradicted with, is racist.

Bumi denied both nations, we never really see him express anything in the show about those nations, because he was never allowed to be part of the Water Tribe, and because he WAS NEVER part of the Air Nomads. Why? Because he wasn't an airbender. So, Aang was dissapointed with his existece ( according to the narrative) to the point where Bumi literally left home and joined the army. Kya was born but was a waterbender, Aang was dissapointed again, why? Cause she wasnt an airbender. So, what happened? Kya felt that she disappointed daddy again and tried to learn the ONLY thing her mother was allowed to show her. Healing. Why? Because that what Katara was. A healer and not a fighter. Why? Cause she WASNT ALLOWED to be anything else. Her husband made sure of that. Since you know...he was traveling around, on his own to find anything relatble to air nomads, because he CLEARLY didnt care about his kids that didn't belong to HIS NATION, so Katara was left WITHOUT A CHOICE. Taught Kya the only thing she knew. Healing. Because think for a second, that if Katara was anything else than a healer, she would have a statue. She worked a lot on he rown to protect Republic City, in the movie when Aang was not around, and SHE DIDNT EVEN GET A FUCKING STATUE!!! Instead, her husband did. He was praised as the founder of the city. As the one who had the MOST POWER. It wasn't the fire lord, it wasnt the council, it wasnt his wife who protected the city ( accodring to the leaked movie), it was Aang, her husband. The one who wasnt EVEN THERE. Katara wasnt able to actually be the one who made bloodbending forbiddem why? Because if that was the case, she would have a political power, to have a political power, it means she would have a statue, she doesnt have a statue, so she didnt have ANY political power, so who had the biggest power in the city so he would be able to create laws? Her HUSBAND!

So, Katara was only allowed to basically be exactly the other thing she knew. A healer. A healer who was living in the South Pole, with her children, on their own and wasnt even allowed to show them anything from the Water Tribe Culture. Why? Because, if she "was allowed", if she "wanted to"., then the kids would show in lok, that they had love the Water Tribe. The only thing they talked about? AANG'S CULTURE! THE AIR NOMADS! Kya wasn't even living in the South Pole, she went there when Aang died, because Katara was alone. She didnt even want to go there. Why? Cause obviously there was a HUGE GAP between her and that culture, her mother, eveyrthing, and that BECAUSE OF AANG.

What happened next? Aang wanted more kids. So, Katara HAD to stay pregnant again, in order for Aang to get the kid he dreamed of. When that happened, Aang kept NOT GIVING A FUCK about his other kids, and made sure to put the responsabilities of a WHOLE NATION to his younger child, that clearly didnt have ANY CHOICE either, since Aang decided his whole future and life to the point where even Tenzin, WAS TRYING TO MAKE HIS WIFE GIVE BIRTH TO AIRBENDERS over and over again.

The next time you will think that Aang wanted to create his nation from the start BECAUSE of his grief ( the grief that wasnt even so much at the center of the show, in contrast with his crush to his babysitter, since you know, Aang didnt really have a problem letting go his people but he did have a problem on letting go the girl he liked, to open up his last chakra and save the world), lets remember a little how the Air Nomads used to live back then, based always on the atla series.

They didnt give a shit about parenting.

They only cared about giving birth to airnomads because that was the only reason for their nation to exist.

And you will tell me, that is insane and i will ask you.

If my claim is insane, then....WHERE THE HELL ARE AANG'S PARENTS?

Aang in legend of korra is not a bad father just because. But because his nation's believes makes him a racist. His children are not "pure air nation people". And that, because ALL THE AIR NOMADS are air benders. So, whoever is not an airbender or a bender, does not belong to the Air Nation. And that is canon, because the Air Nation Nomads, is the ONLY nation where ALL the people that belong in it, CAN BEND.

Do you see now why Aang is racist? Aang never saw ( according to the story so far) any Air Nation people that couldnt bend air. So, he ultimatly never thought of Bumi or Kya as Air Nation people. HECK, AANG IN THE COMICS WASNT A SUPPORTER OF MIXING CULTURES!! AND YET HE WAS IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH A WOMAN FROM A DIFFERENT NATION!!!

Kya and Bymi were already Air Nation people. They had their parent's blood inside them, like we today have our parents's. It was Aang who didn't count them as air Nation people. Why? Because the Air Nomads believed that whoever BENDS THE AIR IS AN AIRNOMAD. And that continued to be the belief of this nation even in lok. Instead of Bryke writing a new belief, a new basic belief of the Air Nomads, connected to the philosophy of the soul, to show the developpent of the Nation, the new birth of the Air Nation, they kept it the same.

Superficial and Racist.

Bumi WAS an Air Nomad.

Kya WAS an Air Nomad.

The Air Nomads, NEVER stopped existing. The monks existed. The philosophy, the viganism, the old beliefs, kept existing EVEN in LOK. Tenzing and his family LITERALLY went for vacation in a monastery at some point in lok. But Tenzin and his family in general, kept the old believes, Aang's believes that were...182 years old, and acted based on them.

This is why Aang is a racist.

This is why Aang wanted an air bender and rejected ANYTHING that wasn't following his nation's beliefs. . His non air benders kids, and his wife's culture.

As the viewer i feel very uncorfotable watching them having anything else than friendship in both seasons or anywhere. Kataang was never meant to work because the basic core behind this ship's existence is inappropriate. From now on, I will reject ( as an VERY OLD ex kataanger and Zutara shipper) all their scenes that the narrative wants to advertize as "romantic" because in any universe, kataang is INAPPROPRIATE AND AWFUL.

A kid cannot be in a relationship with his babysitter.

A kid cannot be in a relationship with his mother.

A kid cannot force himself upon a girl JUST BECAUSE HE WANTS TO.

I will not support ANY ship where the one party, is CLEARLY racist towards the other party.

Think of it with a today's example. Put a Greek and an African together, think of the basic beliefs those nations have and make the parent think of any of those kids as non Greeks or non Africans.

Or even take an example from fiction for all I care. Try to see Aang as the poor boy who lost his people and not a racist dude that wants "pure bloods". Cause bro is basically acting like Lucious Malfoy, you know, the bad father that forced his kid to be the best from his people and judged someone's worth based on the basic genetic traits of the magicians?

Which is EXACTLY what Aang is doing with his kids.

It wasn't Aang's kids that needed to change. It was Aang's beliefs.

Because they were clearly RACIST.

Try to unsee it now. I dare you.

So, yes. We all know the basic ideas of why Kataang doesnt work. But have you ever thought of those reasons? What is your opinion? Let me know.

u/Inevitable_Side2162 — 3 days ago

I welcome the new members

Hey, so as people already saw, this team is new. And this is my first time of creating any team on this app, so im trying to learn how to do that. I wanted to inform you that i put tags at the posts, but in case you need more tags, or more stuff, anything, let me know so I can make this place better for all of us to have fun. Again, this is a safe place, you dont need to worry about the haters, if someone comes and starts bullying, I will make sure to ban them. Speak freely, always with respect towards each other.

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u/Inevitable_Side2162 — 19 days ago

I've noticed that Bryke are basically bored to write anything new

Hey, this will be officialy my first post in this team. I wanted to share with you a few things I noticed about Bryke. So, we all know they left Netflix to basically create " greater things" because " Netflix didn't understand their vision" meaning they didn't let them force Gordon and Kiawentiio make out in s1, but anyways, so I noticed that to me they seemed to not really do any work. They keep promise all this stuff, firs a Kyoshi movie, then a Zuko movie, then a Korra movie, then an Aang movie, then a trilogy about Aang and the gaang. Its been years and a hacker hat do basically leak the movie and threaten to realease the new series in order for them to release them. And here is what i've noticed.

1. Bryke copy pasted the title of Lok to the new movie

From "The Legend of Korra " ➡️" The Legend of Aang"

2. Then they copy pasted the whole story arc with the non benders to become airbenders from "The Legend of Korra"

In S03 of Lok, Zaheer gets free and has airbending powers, along with other non benders and what does he do? He tries to kill the Avatar and his friends. ➡️Tagah is free from his ( iceberg) prison, gives bending powers to non benders and then tries to kill the Avatar and his friends.

3. Then they copy pasted season's 2 story arc with Vaatu and Rava and the 2 Avatars

In s02 od Lok, Katara and Unalak fought as the two Avatars, the one of Rava and the one of Vaatu to the point where the world changed completly (spirits came to their world and stuff). ➡️ In the new series, the "Seven Heavens" we have again two avatars, in this case, twins, and it is implied ( its pretty clear from the trailer though) that Korra basically fought with her other evil self, and changed the world completly.

Like, for people who know "better" they just copy paste their OWN WORK, and dont even try to do anything without CHAGPT'S HELP! Because yes, that happened. They used chagpt for drawning the pictures of the characters in the leaked movie and I'm pretty sure that they used it for the plot.

Like, THESE TWO MEN ARE BORED!!! There is no way they didnt make chagpt write the story for them.

What's irritating is that, THEY ARE NOT WRITERS! THEY ARE ANIMATORS! And they couldn't even do that right! They couldnt do their FUCKING JOB, RIGHT! Like, they basically animated Lok, so, how the hell, they did not know how Asians look like? Because that was their excuse. That they used it because " they didnt know if South East Asians have beards or not." Like, I know their excuses are becoming worse and worse day by day, but this is just offensive at this point.

I expected to see a new series with the world developping more, for the non benders to be able to use technology to now be equal to the benders, for the world to be so peacful in its surface where the Avatar isn't needed. And yet for tecnhology to take control over the world in secret.

Just imagine how cool it would be to have new kinds of technology and new ways of bending or even see non -benders to be able to use bending with the help of technology! Like, what if technology was able to make them use for a little amount of time, ai thingies of elements? How cool bending matches would look like. How the cities would be like. To see that Korra wasn't an awful Avatar. She tried her best and eventually she had a happy life with her friends, even after all this hate she got from fans. To see the FUTURE and the equality between non benders and benders that the world needed. To see new political stories. To see new grown up characters with actual personalities and goals. Like, if the Avatar isn't needed ( at first ) then what they want to do? Do they have dreams? Maybe it would be a character where he would want to do mroe stuff, not just be the Avatar, since the story was supposed to be in the future. New romances ( even though Bryke suck at those as well, but a girl can dream), new interesting villains with new extraordinary abilities. How would the world be? Wouldnt the technology would have a bad effect on the spirits? Stuff like that.

Now, we will basically see the world starting from the scratch. The world the gaang created and Korra tried to protect was destroyed. Korra is hated by everyone. Korra CANONICALLY MASS MURDERED EVEYRONE, and even if it was Vaatu, EVERYONE IS DEAD. Jinora is dead. Tenzin is dead. Lin is dead. Mako is dead. Bolin is dead. Asami is dead. The kids are dead. Everyone is dead and all that exists is death and a gigantic kite that woke up. Oh, and Korra's last moments alive? Miserable.

GREAT JOB BRYKE! YOU JUST MANAGED TO DESTROY EVEYRYTHING YOU BUILT. AND HERE I THOUGHT THINGS WITH THEM COUDN'T GET ANY WORSE! I WAS WRONG!

What are your thoughts? Be free to speak freely.

( i might write a fan fic with my own avatar series)

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u/Inevitable_Side2162 — 19 days ago

Hey, I created a team where we can talk about Bryke and other stuff of atla we dont like

Hello, so I've noticed I wanted to talk about other stuff and not just Zutara these couple of weeks, and because its against the rule to do that, i decided to create a team where everyone who has a complaint with bryke and how they treat Katara, or the avatar universe or the fans, etc, is free to do it. Obviously I do not agree with any harasment against them, i just thought it would be a nice idea to talk about their behavior in a safe space and in a way that doesnt break the rules of the community.

Whoever wants to join, is welcomed =)

https://www.reddit.com/r/antibryke/?screen_view_count=7&ext-referrer=DIRECT

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u/Inevitable_Side2162 — 19 days ago

Welcome to the antibryke team! Yeahhhh 🎉🎉🎉

Hello, my friends! As the creator of this team i wanted to welcome you and exlain to you why I created this team. Now, i know its sounds a little mean to have a team that its purpose is for us to say how we dislike specific people, but I created because I've noticed that we are not allowed to really talk about them in other teams online, so I felt like I needed a safe space to talk about them. How I believe they have ruined the Avatar Universe or even treated the zutara fans etc.

You can say that I''ve been gathering a lot, after being a fan of the Zutara ship, since the creators of the show I love, basically bullied the people of my community, so I really needed to create this team where we could all share our thoughts about their projects, or them in general and if possible, to connect those with Zutara or in general the show. This is a free space to basically upload your frustations, obviously i do not agree with any harasment towards them, thats why the goal of expressing all those negative emotions, is to happen only INSIDE THE TEAM.

So, whoever wants to join and discuss about them, is free to do so.

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u/Inevitable_Side2162 — 19 days ago

About Katara and Toph in the Legend of Aang Movie

So, basically, in the Legend of Aang movie, Katara and Toph exist only to drool over two men that were both airbenders, both were stuck in an iceberg for thousands of years, and both wanted to find more Air Nomads.

Katara and Toph, talked only about Aang and Aang 2.0 ( Tagah ) IN LITERALLY ALL THEIR SCENES!!!!

Katara couldn't stop saying to Aang and Tagah ( because of course she wasn't gonna have ANY OTHER INTERACTION with any of the other characters, not even her own brother, no!) HOW AMAZING AANG WAS! Even though Aang wasn't shown to do anything to built Republic City, in fact it was Katara who was on her own and was left behind and tried to do her best as the movie suggests, cause Aang was traveling around ( AND YET NO STATUE, ONLY AANG'S).

Then you have Toph, TOPH FUCKING BEIFONG who COULDN'T STOP DROOLING OVER TAGAH, to a point where Sokka felt jealous.

Yes, that was implied as well!

Both Katara and Toph were drooling over the two airbenders who had LITERALLY THE SAME BACKSTORY and tried to become physical with them IN THE WHOLE MOVIE.

In every scene that Katara and Aang were, Katara was kissing him or was saying HOW AMAZING Aang was.

In every scene that Toph and Tagah were, Toph was trying to hug him or was saying HOW ATTRACTIVE Tagah was.

That's it people. Thats how Bryke chose to portray two of the most feministic icons of the show.

Like two women existing only to drool over Aang.

Because yes. TAGAH IS AANG.

And that is the most sexistic thing a writer can do.

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u/Inevitable_Side2162 — 24 days ago

What's with the bullying?

The fact that Bryke throw shade at the movie of 2010 in their video game, when THEY WORKED WITH THE DIRECTOR AND PROMOTED IT in a video, is insane.

They bully even him!

https://youtube.com/shorts/YGxQViClSvw?is=tsw8XTcHsd6id71e

So, they didn't only made fun of Zutara fans in their new leaked movie, now they bully the writer of the 2010 movie in their video game. And fans laugh? And support the bullying? God, I'm expecting for them to throw shade at Netflix's Live Action at some point as well.

I'm sure that they watched s2 and became red from their anger after seeing all the Zutara scenes😂.

u/Inevitable_Side2162 — 26 days ago

IS THIS A PRANK?

Am, is it me or Bryke did just DESTROY their own universe? Not only they made sure to ruin every place they forced us to like in Legend Of Korra, now they decided to BURN EVERYTHING DOWN, along with Republic City, to make Korra ACTUALLY BE THE WORST AVATAR, and to be remembered as one, while having the WORST ART STYLE for the new show?

Are they stupid? Are they doing it on purpose?

Is this rage baiting?

We had scenes where we could see THROUGH ICE when the characters were fighting in lok, we had the Lion Turtle scene in Atla and they make the universe be like everything is on pause and they try to copy One Punch man's s3 awful CGI, to make them look like they are moving, and then making the characters look like drafts that a fan made for their fanarts and then the bending to seem almost invisible?

WE CAN'T EVEN SEE THE AIR.

Firebending is literally just the orange color and that's it. The characters don't even bother to move like they are using martial arts and I'M NOT GONNA COMMENT HOW RIDICULOUS the scene where Pavi is trying to bend earth, looks like. 😂

u/Inevitable_Side2162 — 27 days ago

Netflix is naughty!

I just noticed that Netflix posted a video of Sokka and Suki from live action with ALL THEIR SCENES and then a video of Zuko and Katara, from the cave scene and I'm like... Its baiting us, but at least the people there recognize that the scene cave it's romantic as well as the moments between Sokka and Suki.

Oh and.... They didn't imply anything else about some other ship. You know what I mean.

u/Inevitable_Side2162 — 1 month ago

Thoughts?

Ok, I will be honest. Even if this is bait or not, the fact that they call her HIS SISTER makes it far more worse if they will be a thing. Like, i know we are are saying that Katara in the cartoon is like Aang's mum but the creators called her " his babysitter" and never really admitted to her maternal side and here you have NETFLIX admitting that KATARA IS LIKE HIS SITER! Should i believe them or not? I know im baited but at the same time, this can explain why they wrote her like she didn't like him back in s2 and why they erased many scenes between them or did not really bother to show ANYTHING romantic besides a few baiting stuff. I swear, every time i see their scenes and Aang likes her and Katara is there, I feel like she feels uncomfortable. And I can't believe the director didn't notice that. Because Kiawentiio was great in ALL HER SCENES, but for SOME reason, in her scenes with Aang she lucked emotions. Like in the last one. Did that happened on purpose to not make it seem romantic? Aang has a crush on her. But thats how I felt the story delivers it. As just a crush that is not reciprocated. We will see. But isn't it weird? I know that many of the stuff might be bait, but come on. BIG SISTER ENERGY? And I checked. They didn't change it. The screenshot is from a few minutes ago.

Who's gonna bet with me? 50% we will get Kataang and Maiko and 50% we will get Zutara and that can explain MAAAANY stuff. For ex. why Bryke left and created a whole movie that for 1,5 hour they were forcing Kataang to our faces. Maybe because there wasnt any Kataang in the live action to begin with?

u/Inevitable_Side2162 — 1 month ago

I made a short funny video

I couldn't help myself. The minute I saw this scene I had to make this. This is how Kataangers' logic is translated in my eyes. Especially in the live action. Cause the queen here and the child have literally the similar age as Aang and Katara in the live action.🤣 The concept is that the queen needs to find someone to marry and this kid is one of the "men" she sees.

https://reddit.com/link/1ut31ep/video/1o46flwpfhch1/player

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u/Inevitable_Side2162 — 1 month ago

I have some thoughts about the writing of zutara in s2 of the live action

Hey, I actually didn't want to write a post, but then i replied to a comment and started thinking a few stuff. We all know that Kataang and Maiko will for 99% happen, but because i always have hope in my heart, i wanted to express something that made me be like....ha!? I havent published any books, im in process of writing my own though, and i have read many books. Many romantasy books as well, cause they are amazing and i noticed a few things.

As most of us saw, this season felt a lot like a romantasy book. And i reffered to this habit of the writer in many of my comments but i will repeat myself cause i find it weird. I've noticed that the writer tried REALLY HARD to make Zutara feel like the right choice. And that, by showing that Kataang is the wrong choice.

In law school, they tought us that first we need to find the things that are not true, or the things that are wrong in order to find the correct answers. In this case, lets start from how Katara is actually behaving around Aang in s1 and we will continue in s2.

I was watching a few edits on youtube with Zutara and i've noticed that they made Katara asking for permision in a way, from Aang? Or behaving that she cannot do what she wants IF AANGS FORBITS IT. In the Noth Pole, Aang told her that she should not fight, and for some reason...Katara tried to talk back and it felt like she was talking to her parent in a way. Yes, Aang had a whole problem with not killing people and stuff but he was literally A 12 YEAR OLD CHILD, and yet Katara seemed to give a lot of fucks ( sorry not sorry) for his opinion. I assume because...he is the Avatar? Because there wasn't really anything else in their "relationship" that would prevent her ( for a minute) for doing what she wants because HE IS THE CHILD and she is the GROWN UP. Even though Katara later did as she wanted to, this scene made me be like....tell me she will not become the future girlfriend of a guy that she will have to ask for his permission to do ANYTHING and she will be afraid of his judgment?

Imagine my surprisde in s2, when i found out that....THIS IS WHAT HAPPENING PEOPLE!! Katara in s2, cannot tell Aang what she is doing because she is scared of his reaction because THE MAN WON'T APPROVE! And what happened then?

They made Katara have a conversation with her almost/ex bf, Jet about her choices of acting as you know...her own person and DOING HER THING ( as Aang is calling it, because you know...she has HER LIFE AANG) and then Jet telling her that :

" It might looked bad for Aang?" if they found out about her helping those people or

" He seemed like he would understand"

and Katara responded " I don't need him to, though."

GUESS WHAT JET!!

Aang DIDN'T UNDERSTAD.

He judged her and blaimed her for everything. And how Katara responded?

" Carry yourself from now on!"

We Zutarians got a scene with Katara SAYING OUT LOUD, that she carries Aang and the whole team to her shoulders and Aang doesn't appreciates her! Someone made research.

GUESS AGAIN JET!

ZUKO UNDERSTOOD.

Katara and Aang had their fight and Aang showed he does not accept her for who she is, blaimed her and judged her and then BOOM! A scene with Iroh finding out that Zuko is the Blue Spirit and accepting him without judgment. The writers even made them use the same line. " I wanted to help people".

Katara was calling herself and idiot and saying Aang was right for accusing her?

BOOM! Zuko is telling her she is not an idiot!

Katara and Zuko agreeing in their reasons of helping those people?

I feel those well known romantasy vibes where the writer is trying to show that the one love interest is better than the other and...its working.

They agree with us when we say that Kataang is toxic for Katara. They didn't even bother to show any big romantic moment for Kataang or Maiko, instead made them both seem lame and Kataang VERY TOXIC, like...THEY DRAGGED THIS A LOT! At some point i was like, Jesus, we get it. Aang is treating her bad! And i thought the cartoon version was bad. Here came the live action version to make me dislike him all over again. The adorable kid from s1 is gone.

Yes, we will have Maiko moments in s3, it is confirmed by Thalia ( Mai's actress), but in her interview she said " You all know where I'm ending up" so what if they will keep it there, Zuko and Mai breaking up and change the ending? Yes, delutionsal stuff, etc, etc, but they TRIED REALLY HARD to make Kataang look bad, guys. Its not my fault. A girl can dream.

To me, the writers had taken a side. And I'm 100% sure, they will go ALL ZUTARA not by making them kiss or anything, but if they made them have all these parallels and moments in s2, JUST IMAGINE how their scenes in s3, will look like. The moments between Katara and Zuko will feel far more intense and romantic, because we WILL FOR SURE get physical, since Katara needs to hug Zuko and then we will have the Agni Kai! And yes, its just a hug in the SR, but i do believe they will make it feel more special in this version.

At this point, im trying to bet with myself. I had specific things i wanted to see in the Crossoreads of Destiny and Christine and the other writers GAVE THEM ALL to me. So, i bet that in season 3, Katara will LOSE HER NECKLACE and Zuko will find it. Why? Because this time in s3, the gaang needs to go incognito. And that means, that Zuko cannot ask around for any bald kids since Aang will have hair, or waterbenders because they all will wear fire nation clothes. So, how Zuko will be able to find them exactly?

Katara will lose her necklace and somehow, they will meet through that. They will for sure change the script and make them reunite before he comes to the team, and THAT IS HOW WE WILL HAEVE THE SOUTHERN RAIDERS! The writer will MAKE IT PERSONAL!! I swear to god, if I'm right, and Zuko will put the necklace on her I WILL DIE ON THIS HILL Y'ALL!

You wanna bet with me?

I might be wrong but this is giving fanfiction vibes and s2 was exactly that so...

Personally, i would make Katara lose her necklace in s2 in the end and for Zuko to find it and keep it until he is ready to change and go back to her, but they did not do it so....i really want it to happen because it will be very symbolic.

Plus, Zuko touching her necklace in s3? The necklace of Katara's mother? After helping her find her murderer???

LIVE THIS EPIC MOMENT WITH ME MY FELLOW ZUTARIANS!

If Christine is not a coward, SHE WILL DO IT!!!

So, yes, im expecting moments like these. I do not believe they are bait. I will keep insisting on the fact that Kataang is the bait, and not bc it wont be canon, but because they execution of that ship felt like that in s2. It was forced because obviously the writer didnt even bother or wanted to even actually write ANYTHING ROMANTIC betwen them and she instead focused on her favortie ship. Because yes, she wanted to keep the views up, but you can tell that she also liked writing their moments, because they payed attention to all of the details and the paralles of our ship that made us believe this is the canon and not the kataang ship.

Just think that Zuko and Katara will be together in the final scenes of the show and feel better. Dallas confirmed that he and Kia came clsoer so we will get their scenes for sure. Also, i do not think there is a possibility of not taking advantage of ALL THEIR MOMENTS and then suddenly making Kataang a thing out of nowhere. Even if they imply something, Zutara will overshadow it. Just like it did in s2. But s3? The moments there are far more powerful and they for sure will add some more details here and there. Besides, Katara and Zuko will travel together.

My gut is telling me that we will get a scene of them, maybe being in a cave, or somewhere on their own ( because if we get Aang being jealous he will ruin the moment), talking about Katara not killing Yon Rah, Zuko telling her he didn't kill his father, and basically this to be a part 2 of their conversation from s2. Then, Katara maybe to ask for help from Zuko ( just to give us some crumbs), her LETTING HIM TOUCH HER "WOUND" / NECKLACE AFTER HELPING HER FIND THE KILLER OF HER MOTHER! I hope they will keep the hug, because i can feel the writers giggling from miles away about this. Just imagine how their hug will seem like. Just imagine it and be happy about it.

If they do this, the whole thing with the necklace, then the hug will felt deeper.

I do think they will make Zuko recognise the flag because maybe some fire nation people will come in the place they will meet, because of the necklace, and Katara will remember the flag from the day her village got attacked and then she will try to go on her own and find the man who murdered her mother, but Zuko will be the one who will reason with ther at first and then follow her anyway. I'm thinking they will make it be like that. Because, if she will approve then it will be easier for him to join the team, faster, since we will have only 7 episodes.

*UNECASSARY RANT* [ I do want the other side storeis with the gaang coming closer to Zuko, but i do believe they will make the boiling rock happen way later, just before the war, or they will change it completly and make the gaang going to the boiling rock, without Zuko ( i would hate that, but i dont think so cause Mai has to be there as well and it will be a whole mess). So, yes i do think that the one who will be the last one to accept him in the group, will be Aang. And that because they will maybe connect the guru story with Zuko's story about the firebedning in a way and the sun bedners will be the ones who will help Aang with his firebending. Also, it kind of makes sense that Aang would have a problem working with him since he cannot trust him enough, and Zuko also has a problem working with him, so he cannot bend and there you have it.]

And yes, i need to write a fanfic in case they didn't put the neckalce because I SWEAR TO GOD THIS THING CANT FALL OFF HER NECK!!! ITS A CHOKER!

Now tell me. don't you find it weird that the canon relationship IS 100% TOXIC? And the fanon ship feels like the right choice? If i was the writer, i would just put small scenes that mean nothing between Katara and Zuko. Like, you know...her having no empty seat to sit inside the cave and having to sit next to him at the cave. Or the Painted Lady, and the Blue Spirit are forced to enter the place the reguses Fire Nation people are as pairs and you know...The Painted Lady needs to hold The Blue Spirit's arm...wait...🤔🤔

D-does that sounds familiar with you? Oh, right!!! It happened with Aan-

In the Ember Island players episode!!!

Right, right. right. Cool, cool, cool, cool.

I'm just saying that if the writers wanted to make the canon ship feel like canon, they had their chance. And yet they chose to (perhaps) show it in the last 7 episodes of their show? Out of the 22?

Now, i wonder why they wanna make the canon ship feel toxic, lame and wrong and the fanon ship feel like the right choice, romantic as f...ck and better?

I wonder...🤔

What are yout thoughts? Do you think they will make Katara lose the necklace? Between you and me, the necklace seems so tight, that IM PRAYING for it to fall since s1. Yes, i just realized it was always a choker. And I really find this romantic, so im surprised they did not show it in s2 at least. Do you think they will make Zuko join the gaang after the SR or before? How would you write their story in s3? What would you change? Did you like the idea about the necklace or do you think they will make Katara like Aang now that he almost died and grew hair? Even though for me, Gordon looks younger with hair, but its just my eyes, because he looks younger no matter if he has hair or not, since he is a 16 year old boy. From 1 to 10, how much do you think we will cringe with the kataang moments ( sorry im a little mean here) and how much we will scream with the zutara moments?

* edited* another idea, Aang, Sokka and Katara have a fight about Katara finding Yon Rah,after they spot a flag similar to the one of the attackers from their village, and then Katara is leaving on her own to find that man end ends up meeting Zuko who found her with June's help because he had her necklace. They do what they need to do and Katar brings him to the team. Katara has a conversation with Aang and Sokka, because this is the live action and people need to talk. What is very difficult for me to think, is how they will show Sokka not wanting to find the killer as well. Or not wanting Katara to go and find him. Unless, they completly erase the scene and make him have another story. Maybe he will prison break his father with Toph and Aang? And they will make Zuko and Mai break up before he leaves the Fire Nation? Idk, i dont think so. Maybe they will keep eveyrthing the same, who knows? *

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u/Inevitable_Side2162 — 1 month ago

Bryke's behavior is unacceptable and I can't believe the fans believe them

I just found out that Bryke said they will make another movie about a secret Avatar who's a waterbedner and im like....ARE THEY SERIOUS?? They haven't been able to actually do what they promised and now they promise MORE STUFF? I dont believe a single thing. Because at first they said they were gonna make a Zuko movie, a Korra movie and a Kyoshi movie, then they changed their mind and made an Aang movie, and claimed it will be a trilogy, then they got hacked and havent even released the new series and now they will make a new movie about a secret Avatar? When they havent even finished with ALL the other movies they promised to make???

And fans are BUYING THAT??

My opinion? They're trying to keep the fandom on their side because now people are mad with the leaked movie situation and the fact that they released the movie, ONLY on paramount+. I'm tired of seeing them promising all these movies and then barely being able to ACTUALLY MAKE ONE, without drama.

The worst thing for me is that I feel the audacity from their part and the fans for some reason believe them. Its not like im a fan of Bryke, i hate them, but every time i open youtube, or reddit or tiktok, suddenly its a video with a fan that says how happy he is that he will get a new movie and im like....am I the only one who sees a pattern of promise without the action?

For me, this is why Paramount doesnt like them. They go and promise all these stuff without having the means to accomplish them or actually wanting to accomplish them, then something happens and they give all the responsability and the fault to someone else and FOR SOME REASON THEY NEVER GET THE CANCELLATION THEY DESERVE!!!

They bullied kids, fans and media love them.

They didnt even write the nice parts of the Atla series, and yet advertized themselves as the ONLY WRITERS and made money out of it so today the media and the fans ADORE THEM, even though they never actually give credit to ANY other writer of the show.

EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE ONLY CREDITED FOR WRITING 14 EPISODES, THW MOST, OUT OF 61!!!

They worked with Shyamalan to make the movie of 2010, and yet they later claimed they had nothing to do with it, fans hated Shyamalan and the actors and what did they do? They hated them too and fans kept loving them.

They tried to work with Netflix and yet they left the project, accused netflix people of not doing their job right, fans hated the live action and think of them as the ONLY ONES WHO CAN WRITE THE AVATAR THE RIGHT WAY, when they werent even the ones who wrote it.

They promised to make a Kyoshi movie, a Zuko movie, a Korra movie, its been years and...nothing. Fans still love them.

The Aang movie that appeared out of nowhere got leaked and they have NOTHING to do with it and then they release the movie to Paramount+ even though fans showed their sadness because not all of them will be able to have access in this platform....yet fans still love them.

Now, they promise to make MORE STUFF even though they havent even done the things they promised to do in the first place...AND FANS STILL LOVE THEM!

Am I the only one who believes with my WHOLE HEART that Bryke take advantage of those sheep?

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u/Inevitable_Side2162 — 1 month ago

Why making Kataang canon ( again ) and not Zutara, in the live action, hurts both ships.

Obviously, by making Kataang canon AGAIN, throws to trash all the moments Katara and Zuko had, because the narrative made sure to make the audience feel that they are romantic. We all are talking for weeks of how the Zutara parallels are far more deeper than Kataang's and how the narrative makes them look romantic and Kataang ( in my opinion) look like the bait.

By making Kataang canon again, will not only break our heart for a second time, which okay, won't kill us, cause we still have our fanon ship, but it will make Kataang feel undeserved.

S1 didn't have ANY hint of kataang becoming canon and s2, even though it made Aang have a crush on Katara, it made it seem SO TOXIC, that i felt like the writer is doing it on purpose. It was not only uncofortable to see, because the age gap makes it feel like that, like a little boy who has a crush on his friend's older sister for example, but they made Aang treat Katara so bad, that by the end, even Kataangers didn't like them together.

I've seen even videos that talk about it, and say that they didn't root for him any more. As a Zutara shipper, i expected at least from Netflix, to try and make it feel better than Zutara ( i said try, not that they would succeed) because sadly it is the canon ship, or at least better than the cartoon Kataang and for some reason....they made it feel worse.

Obivously the chemistry between Zuko and Katara alrady makes it impossible for Kataang to compete with them, but I never expected that they would make it toxic.

At the end of the day, even if Kataang becomes canon, it will not satisfy either part of the fans. And idk about you, but i refuse to accept that a ship that is CLEARLY PORTRAYED AS TOXIC by the narrative ( for a second time but still, here we dont have the cute moments that Aang and Katara used to have, even though i do not ship them) seems as well, far more worse in terms of the chemistry.

ZERO CHEMISTRY between the actors, they do not even touch the friendly vibes for me so much, and maybe that has to do with the actors, cause Toph and Aang had far more chemistry in their few scenes they had together this season, than ALL THE SCENES Kiawentiio and Gordon had for 2 years. Plus, because Gordon is so young, and we get the vibes of the younger boy having a crush on the older girl, here it feels so REAL compare to the animation, that makes it impossible for me as the viewer to even imagine that Aang's crush can be reciprocated.

The show leads towards Zutara that is 100% FROM THE NARRATIVE ALWAYS, by making Kataang a thing ( and Maiko but i have nothing to discuss about that, besides the fact that they did not really interact in s2) it will not only be infuriating for Zutara shippers but will make Kataangers ( most of them at least, the ones who ACTUALLY CARE for their ship and not just wanna see Aang making out with Katara) feel unsatisfied, because yes, their relationship will be endgame, but the show won't give any attention to it, and make it seem uniportant, cause between you and me?

Netflix doesn't give a DAMN about Kataang. They made sure to show it in both seasons.

I do believe that making Zutara canon, is far more better as a choice, because the path leads there since s1. Not just s2. We had many parallels between them in s1, that were not clear, but they were very similar, and zero kataang and then in s2 we had ACTUAL WRITING OF ROMANTIC MOMENTS between Katara and Zuko, even foreshadowing or hints that Netflix made sure to do a research for Zutara parallels, and ZERO KATAANG CHEMISTRY. Katara didn't like Aang like he did in s2, she did not even considering it as an option, and the Aang kept blaiming her for eveyrthing and thats it. Besides the forced moments they had that seemed 100% like the bait us Zutarians got in the cartoon, you know, with Katara and Zuko sitting next to each other? Oh, in the live action Katara needs to sit, let's make her sit next to Aang for 3 seconds. OH! The gaang has to go in pairs in the party, lets make Aang and Katara hold hands for...3 seconds.

Put aside what you're shipping and tell me with honesty, which ship here looks like its the real and the bait ? Because the narrative of the live action made me ship Zutara MORE THAN THE CARTOON. Because their moments here were CANONICALLY ROMANTIC. But Kataang's? They feel like a joke. Are they joking? They cannot make that ship canon and not Zutara. This is offensive. I've come to the point where I believe that the cartoon has done a better job in showing kataang than the live action and until this day, I always thought that cartoon kataang felt forced and had incest vibes. But the live action? Oh, they made it feel far more worse.

Idk, if i should feel better that Zutara gets the love it deserves and many people get us now, or feel worse because Netflix might go towards Kataang, when Kataang LOOKS LIKE THAT.

And yes, it was toxic in the cartoon, but at least there the fans of the ship had nice moments to even make them support the ship ( i used to ship it by the way) but now? In the live action? Canon Kataang? Its literally the ship that SHOULD NOT be canon.

Im curious to see if they will follow the canon material and make Katara and Aang fall apart AGAIN in s3, or not, and that is why they made them fight in s2.

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u/Inevitable_Side2162 — 2 months ago
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I am SO confused

I love this live action show, especially the second season. I have never watched the animated show. I went into this not knowing much and not expecting much. I saw a cast interview and thought the kid/teen actors were so fun and lively, I decided to give it a shot just because of that. I loved how they interacted with eachother and how happy they seemed to be cast in this.

I am extremely surprised at all the hate this show is getting online. I realized the animated show has a very interesting fanbase, and that they want everything super similar to the original etc. Ok that's fine but as someone who doesn't care for the original, no offense, I am looking at this show as its own thing, and the writers can make whatever changes they want and I am fine with it.

But another thing that surprised me is...the romantic endgames...WOW. I just found out very recently, after I had already finished season 2 of the live action, that Katara ends up with Aang, and Zuko ends up with Mai. I AM SHOCKED/CONFUSED. Watching season 1, I would have never guessed that cute little boy was supposed to end up kissing the character of Katara, whom in season 1 looks and feels like his older sister, almost a guiding figure to him etc. I know the characters are supposed to be 2 years apart, but visually and character development wise, it is giving triple that.

And in season 2 the Aang actor is noticeably older, but he still looks and acts a lot younger than her. It is weird and awkward to me. Maybe if the show was going to have 5+ seasons etc then ok maybe somehow? But season 3 will only have 7 episodes (my biggest issue with the show sigh Netflix why </3) and then it is done.

I swear I thought they were going to do Katara and Zuko. Even in season 1 because I saw that Zuko had potential to be on their side, and they seemed complementary, and then in season 2 I was all "OMG THEY ARE DEVELOPING THEM FOR REAL NOW" multiple times, and then I got spoiled and learned that these ship wars are a huge thing that have spanned decades. And that the "zutara" pair was extremely popular and invented "ship weeks" and is this whole iconic thing etc. Wow. Ok it's really that deep.

But now I am thinking. This is an adaptation. So it will have lots of similarities but not everything will be the same. I am genuinely confused because I can't see Katara ending up with Aang. And Zuko and Mai are supposed to be a thing too??? What...

Also apparently some writers for this live action liked the Zuko/Katara pair more and got harrassed like crazy for it by fans of the original. Again, what. So are they going to be like "ok we will stick with the original pairings so we don't get bullied more"? Or will it be "muahahaha we will take creative liberties and follow our hearts!"?

Am I just dumb and misinterpreting what the writers are trying to portray between the characters? Are the writers just doing fan service? Are the writers actually changing the pairings? WHAT IS GOING ON 💀

UPDATE: STARTED WATCHING THE CARTOON TO SEE WHAT THE HYPE IS ABOUT...

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u/Inevitable_Side2162 — 2 months ago