Theory: Dainsleif and Verdfolnir are fragments of Nibelung

Theory: Dainsleif and Verdfolnir are fragments of Nibelung

I’ve been researching into Nibelungs connection to both Vedrfolnir and Dain and I think that they both actually be fragments of Nibelungs

​​​To get to my conclusion we have to go analyze where a lot of lore behind Khaaneiah is inspired from, Wagner’s opera Der Ring does Nibelungen

In an underground realm called Nibelheim. Alberich created a ring using stolen Rhine gold from Rhine maidens and put a curse on it. The ring is called “the Ring of Nibelung” and it had the power to rule the world. Alberich also had a younger brother Mime, who wanted the ring for himself and also ends up hating Alberich. Also note that both of brother are from a species that are called “Nibelungs” and they are referred by the term “The Nibelung“ more than by their names in the opera (they are also the only 2 Nibelungs in the opera)

Dain and Ved clearly parallel these two characters. According to lore from the glider “Wings of Leisurely Moments” Dainsleif had also wanted the ring as a child and it was verdfolnir who originally owned it. Verdfolnir was also the one who ends up putting a spell (which Tbf is said to be neither blessing nor curse) on the ring which resets the body’s condition and Dainsleif did end up actually get the ring he wanted with the “heavy fate” that came with it.

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​​​​On a bit of a side note I do think the ring of Nibelung does have some sort of power that we and maybe even dain is unaware of (given that within wagner’s opera the ring of Nibelung has the power to “rule the world“) potentially Nibelungs memory or maybe his authority as well which would be fitting since dainsleif is set up to be one of the games final bosses and him having Nibelungs power would make sense as while he’s strong now I don’t know if he’s strong enough to be a worthy opponent at the conclusion of the game without a power up of some sorts

We also have to take a look at Norse mythology. Both Dain and Ved seem to have references as snakes. Namely Dainsleif’s constellation being ouroboros which in mythology represents infinity and cycles. Dainsleifs cape also has the infinity symbol on the back of it as well. We also see in Dainsleif’s introduction (which is very likely narrated by Ved himself)

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​​​Dainsleif own fate being represented as oroboros with his mind and body being held together by the ring as it resets his body’s condition and slows erosion

Ved’s chess piece in genshin 6.1 Luna 4 AQ also seems to be a snake as well

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​​Ved’s main gimmick seems to be that he spreads his prophecies as absolute truth because he does truly see no way of escaping it. Snakes can bite their own tails when sick, and I think over here the snake represents Nibelung, who sees no escape from the sickness of teyvat which also sounds a lot like Ved.

I think Dainsleif is possibly on his way to break or become a part of that cycle as well since oroboros represents his “fate“ after all.

Neuvillete does refer to Neuvilette as the Heavenly Father as well if I recall correctly and Ved seems to have some inspiration from Jesus and you can even argue he runs something inspired by a fanatical Christian cult (namely Clothar Alberich devotion) so I could see a trinity like situation like with Dainsleif, Verdfolnir and Nibelung but this may be a stretch

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​​I can see the possibility of the two brothers being incarnations of parts of Nibelung, kinda similar to how focalors and furina were one being before splitring into furina and focalors (if I recall correctly) or I could see them being spiritual heirs to Nibelung, while Nibelung himself may be gone he “lives on“ through dainsleif and Verdfolnir. I think it’d also be cool from a story standpoint with Dainsleif/Vedrfolnir represent the old world order, with the HP representing the current world order and The Traveler obviously representing the new world order

I very well could be wrong but what do you guys think? is my theory plausible? Any whole or gaps in my theory I’m not addressing? I might just be losing my mind and making up a bunch of convoluted bs lol. I’m open to any critique and discussion. I think even if my theory doesn’t hold to be true there is seriously some deeper connection between Nibelung and the two brothers.

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u/Infamous_Gain9481 — 12 days ago

How do you think Dain’ s character will be setup within the story prior to his release (LEAKS FOR DAINSLEIF POTENTIAL RELEASE PATCH)?

Based on leaks according to DK2 Dain is set to release >!In late snenzhnya which likely means patch 7.7-7.8!<

I previously assumed he’d occupy the “archon” role >!in version 8.x but that doesn’t seem to be the case now!<

Assuming this is true how do you think they’ll realistically set up his character in the patches before his release within the story? As of right now he obviously has a pattern of showing up 1 story patch a year but do you guys think that pattern will change jn the patches leading up to his release? Will they pull another skirk? Will he have AQ focused on his Character post sneznhyna climax within version 7.x? What other realistic possibilities are there for?

I really hope they his character right, he’s been set up for 6 years and he’s obviously my favorite character and it’d really suck if they mess up his character to put it mildly.

Also for anyone who knows how leaks work, where would DK2 get his hands on this info and how would he get the info in the first place?

u/Infamous_Gain9481 — 24 days ago

our GOAT needs to lock in 😭😭

No!!! Here I thought we were gonna see him destroy shit and go crazy 😭😭

Please man, How are you supposed to fight the sinners, wake up and do some crazy shit 😭😭

Our GOAT is about to get slandered by everyone 😭😭😂😂

u/Infamous_Gain9481 — 1 month ago

I need help finding and piecing lore about Dainsleif

Dainsleif is by far my favorite character of the game, but at the same time he's shrouded in so much mystery, I'd like to gather all the lore about him and his character so far into one cohesive place where I can structure it out a bit so it's easy to read and look back on but the lore of this game is such a landmine I don't even know where to start on finding out more about his character.

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Like for example what does his character introduction truly mean, who's likely the person saying his character introduction (if we have any idea), how was Dainsleif able to resist the call of the Abyss when King Irmin and the 5 sinners couldn't resist and succumbed to it (once again, if there's any lore somewhere hinting as to how he did) or did Dainsleif take the sixth share of abyssal power that the 5 sinners took.

Are there any clues as to where or what he draws his powers from? Are there any clues as to his connection with Irminsul, as his title of "Bough Keeper" suggests one.

How does he know so much about the characters of the game, as he's the one who narrated the collected miscellany of most characters in the game even though he doesn't interact much if at all with people of the seven 7 nations.

Also, when did Verdolfnir actually give Dainsleif his ring which resets Dain's condition and slows down his erosion? Was it before, during or after the cataclysm? Is there any lore about the ring in general on where it came from and how did Verdolfnir get his hands on it?

Does he have any role in the story beside getting vengeance on the 5 sinners and taking down the abyss order?

How well was Dainsleif acquainted with the rest of the 5 sinners and King Irmin, is there any dialogue from any of the sinners referring to him that hold any importance to his character and any other lore from the game that relates to Dainsleif's character.

I really want to understand as much of the character as I can but I'm totally clueless on where to start and would really appreciate if you guys could take the time to help me out with piecing together any lore pertaining and relating to the character.

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u/Infamous_Gain9481 — 3 months ago

How Strong is Traveler in Genshin as of 6.6?

How strong is traveler in the current timeline of the game, where does he stack up compared to the rest of the universe and who's the strongest character he can realistically beat in the verse?

u/Infamous_Gain9481 — 4 months ago

Could Dexter get Mike on his table if he were to go after him or would he get killed hunting Mike down?

How about H2H?

u/Infamous_Gain9481 — 6 months ago