u/JoePro42

Recently there was a discussion on wether or not it made sense, to use a liner, or if it's ok/better just to have a single layer of fabric. Since I personally tend to favor the liner, I thought that I g0t for a single layer version, to get some real life comparison. So here we go:

xPac VX 21 and YKK #5, plus UltraStretch.
Biggest shoutout to Messaker in Bremen, who provided me with the YKK zipper on a very short notice!

No edge binding, because it's just a test. And since I also had to get two new machines to work, a mixture if different threads and colors.

The outlet for the USB cable turned out fine. The outside stretch pocket turned put a little too small for the intended use (tire plugs and CO2 cartridge).

Since the bag is rather long (XL frame) I added an inside gate, to stop it from too much bulge. Sewing the bridge was a pain in the ass (inside the finished bag), but it worked super good. I will definetly do something like this on all larger framebags.

Learnings:
Triple stitch zigzag looks quite cool and works really good for smaller zigzags on the webbing, too.
Single layer is super lightweight and with additional pieces, added for structure, a liner is not neccessarily required.
The bridge is a cool feature.
You can add pockets on a single layer without ugly threads visible on the other side.
YKK is slightly stronger than some alternatives, … at three times the price.

I needed a larger top tube bag for my spares and a pump. The bag turned out nicely… but since I went for a tight fit, in the end it was very tight, to fit the pump.

However, the bags fits the pump, a spare tube (700x40) and a set of tools. Yes, I know that most people use the top tube for bars and snacks, a phone and such. But I needed a place for the pump. The Topeak pump comes with some holders, that replace the bottle holder (instead of being place at the side of the bottle). Total rubbish.

Normally I use daisy chains, but this time I wanted to go for velcro sewn into place. Even though it limits the options, surpisingly I kind of like it this way.

The net on the outside was a quick idea, that I got, when I found the leftover bit in my stuff. Normally I would go for something slightly larger.

I found these kind of rubber padson aliexpress, but the price seems to be way off ( 3+ Euro/piece).
Does anybody have an idea for a source in Europe?

Actually, I needed about 16 - 20. So sourcing outside my home location (which is Europe) is too expensive in regard to customs and transport.

Any help appreciated