u/Kaitie04

Chosing to be positive in my posts for once! 💓

( creds go to the og artist. )

English vers and Japanese version. Im listening to english ver by lee and omg. 🤭

1. Original version: https://youtu.be/IvroIDqOTFI?si=Fz83IH9mfWlsJM80

( original has english lyrics and if you read them they are very suggestive )

2. English vers by Lee: https://youtu.be/wf8AYvpdpnU?si=wkq4lzVVXJiDuREm

Yeah sebaciel antis i don't think these songs are backing up your claims on sebastian & ciel's relationship. ( they think their relationship is platonic 💀 ) The songs are literally dropping HINTS.

Literally the song is clearly from ciel's point of view with his relationship with sebastian and one of the major lyrics is "i despise how you lie with a kiss".

( we literally have an opening song thats HEAVILY sebaciel coded. )

Your thoughts?

Ok i know i advertised my server here before but i wanna make it more detailed in this post.

So my server is a friendly server that allows sebaciel shippers and other pro ships in with black butler community.

My server strides to be the normal fandom server of how fandom USED to be. Fanfics, fun topics, ship talks, friendly people. Not what fandom is now with just stalking and no shipping.

The staff i have in place are friendly. I am the owner.

There is a FREE earl tag!! This server is ciel Phantomhive themed dedicated to our favorite lovable earl.

Antis will NOT be allowed on this server and they'll NOT be tolerated and be blacklisted if found out. ( warning to them since they sneak in away's and ignore the rules. ) we expose harassers. We DONT normalize that.

We also have level 2 booster level perks. Over 200+ black butler emojis etc.

Yes my server knows the difference between fiction and reality and protects the members within it from harmful people like antis.

This server is a ciel Phantomhive rentry layout.

We are looking for active members to help keep the fun going. We already passed 200+ members!!

( however we remain neutral most of the time to avoid unwanted users and attention given the rough times. So its safer to remain a neutral server since most of us are proship and don't want antis. )

However anybody who's civil and nice can join. You don't even have to ship characters at all you can just be a fan of the show. ( just no antis )

https://discord.gg/v2qbDefTy

Happy pride month to sebaciel shippers and everyone else in this sub reddit!

( my first ever time doing a pride month post! )

( art not mine. 🚫 )

Not sure if this an appropriate place to post this but i feel like my ptsd would align with the situation of pros vs antis.

So around a year ago I was harassed for enjoying sebaciel and being called a pedophile when i was simply making ship edits and such. I was uneducated and thought i genuinely harmed someone. So i stopped for a bit. But it still came after me.

Ofc i had people who defended me but it seems no matter what i said or what other's said they'd never leave me alone. even with my own morality explaining why i liked the ship and even threatening the antis with facts saying liking this ship dose not make you a pedophile.

The harassment got so bad to where i was scared of my own phone for a week. I felt as if something was going to jump out and grab me.

I literally have truama triggers of blacklists and call out posts and get anxiety attacks. I would even lock myself away have attacks and not eat. I even have nightmares and daily flashbacks of the events.

I would literally almost cry and even thought about ending my own life.

I know the harassment was NOT my fault. I was not forcing anyone to like my ship. Simply spreading passion i had for it by making edits and videos compilations.

I was wondering if anyone else is going through what i am going through. ( now i have CPTSD for other truama but was diagnosed with ptsd cause of harassment bullying. ) im doing kinda ok now sort of but still suffering the after math of being caught in the cross fire.

Now i don't want to share too much and being triggered again but hope this is enough contenxt to understand.

I had no idea how bad it was till had to re experince this same truama i went through on the kuro amino as a kid. Sorry if this was a bit deep for a post but i wanted to connect with other's if they had or dealing with something similar?

( picture is unrelated. I just wanted to have this post look less boring. )

I wanted to post on the black butler reddit for a while but unsure if they ban proshippers or sebaciel shippers in particular for just being apart of this reddit. Anyone who's on there that's a pro ship or a sebaciel shipper can you tell me if its safe?

I am not planning on posting ship posts but rather ones of merch etc. Cause its one of the rules to not discuss about sebaciel cause of the discourse. Which is fair. But after reading posts from this reddit hearing stories of people being banned for being just proship i wanted to be safe and ask first.

Cause i don't want profile stalkers and them reporting me to the mods cause of my ship after looking at my profile.

So given my family was and still is Christian. I was FORCED to watch this movie as a kid around 12 and 13 years old. Now looking back they literally made me watch the actor that plays jesus get whipped. I could NOT walk away!

This looking back now realizing Christianity is a cult and blood cult etc. Truamatized me. I no longer see this movie as a message saying 'he sacraficed himself for us' it was a blood ass massacre god commanded and murdered his own son cause he is obsessed with BLOOD. yeah sure what a loving forgiving god.... /s

This whole religon is fed up. God is a blood thirsty demon. To me.

( realizing this now as a young adult is disturbing af )

So after not going to church for 2 years once i realized i was an adult i realized i cannot be forced to go to church anymore. After i finally did stop going i self reflected and realized i have never actually been a Christian. I never practiced the faith. Sure i believed in god and divine justice cause i have a strong sense of justice for those who've been wronged and for myself. ( before truama happened and my faith was shattered. ) but i was NEVER fully a Christian. I identified as that cause its what my parents wanted and the family.

Now for background information. I was 'raised' to be 'catholic' and within the orthodox churches. So no i am not an evangelical or a pastor's daughter. I am just from a regular traditional family of two parents and two kids. ( 4 of us )

So what caused me to stop going to church? I personally have no idea. I just stopped going cause it's not a law to go and i have had no desire to go.

But i feel though even to this day i was pulled away from it cause something or a gut feeling was protecting me? That's what it felt like. It did not happen instantly. I used to be heavily conservative and Christian. ( i know bad combination now looking back. ) personal beliefs should stay away from politics. But i really did not have my own sense of self back then. I believed in what my parents told me and what they wanted to share. ( which is BAD. )

Yes some points made were good but i just can't stand politics anymore cause it drains you physically and emotionally. ( i realized i was too young back then in highschool to even be brought into politics its disgusting to surround a kid like that. Now looking back. I personally had no idea what political parties where i just identified that cause my parents wanted me to be and they were too. )

So now onto the main reason i am sharing this.

Growing up i was told to believe in this simply. "God is good and satan is bad. Questioning faith would make god sad." ( i know kinda rymes XD )

When i was a baby i could NOT consent to if i wanted to be baptized. They did it anyways and baptized me. Made me do religion class for a bit and forced me to do first holy communion. Its where you give your child up to go literally to GOD. ( sound cultish? ) ( almost like sacraficing your baby to satan without blood part. )

Sure it may not be a blood sacrafice but it seems oddly close to being a ritual of sorts? ( rituals don't always have to have blood. )

Forced to take body of christ which is the waffer and bread and blood of christ which is whine. They were always so obsessed with it being that it actually WAS. A priest prays over it to 'make it become' the 'flesh' and 'blood' of jesus. Now idk about you looking back this seems like metaphoric cannibalism. Hoping something to be something else so you can literally EAT it. ( fucking disturbing. )

Now as i got older i started to question things. 'Why should we fear hell?' 'Why should we blindly follow in a god who never shows himself?' 'Why is satan actually BAD?' 'What did he do?'

Now answers i'll tell you i got over the years. Q: 'Why should we fear hell?'

A: 'Cause your mom and god wants you to behave.'

Q: ' why should we blindly follow god?'

A: 'cause he knows everything before you even know it, he knows what's best for us.'

Q: ' why is satan bad? Actually? What did he do?'

A: 'he tricked adam and eve to eat the devil's fruit. ( apple ) and that's when humanity fell into sin.'

Q: 'why can't we question god rightly? On his motives and actions?'

A: ' cause it would make him sad you don't blindly trust him to care for you.'

Q: 'how to tell if something is from god?'

A: ' it'll feel good and warm. Anything from satan is bad and cold.'

Q: 'is being gay a sin?'

A: 'being gay is a sin and trick from the devil to keep us from reproducing.'

So these are the answers i have literally gotten from family members or church friends. I did not surgar coat them. Sorry if they seemed triggering its cause they are.

So now looking back none these were even actually answers to my questions just more questions that sounded like answers to make me question my own faith even more.

It seems questioning too much is bad. As if its bad to question who we are praying to? Who we are bringing into our lives? And just taking everyone else's word for it.

Now me personally i only believed in logic and what i could see along with personal experinces.

So after everything i typed out so far really dose sound cultish but i wanted other's point of views.

Not to mention some of the masses i went to praying now in a group looks literally like a cult worship to me.

Also now looking into all of this from a third point of a view. Having a man hanging from a torture device no longer seems holy to me. Its fucked up! To me now.

Not to mention me suffering religious truama and Christian nationalism being almost in power or already in power terrifies me.

Also videos down here i watched to understand why its a death cult. And holy shit it is cause they normalize death.

Video 1: https://youtu.be/UyVtLB0F6Pk?si=tz3pyLDLAbKel7ql

Video 2: https://youtu.be/NRZYlDFzGb8?si=h3lfyQWkygGinUFh

It disgusts me it took me this long to realize i was in a cult like group. Now im suffering consequences of truama and wasted time and relationships i could have been having.

List of 2026 of anti favorite words:

1. Pedophilia

2. Minor

3. Sexualization

4. Grooming

5. Pedophile

6. Problematic

7. Pedophiliac

8. That's a minor!1!1!!

9. DNI lists

10. Call out posts over fictional content.

11. Normalize

( added new words )

Let me know if you want me to add more to this list cause im genuinely so fucking sick of hearing these.

Can't believe people are thinking fictional content and dynamics are pedophilia in the big 26. 🫩 ( angry bassy is me rn im tired of it. )

List of my favorite ships.

1. Sebaciel ( all time favorite ) 💕

2. Alois x claude 👌

3. Elizabeth x paula ( newest ) 💌

4. Grell x william 💀

What do you guys think of my list? ( anyone else ship these? )

Haven't shipped billdip in so long. I remember it when i was a kid. I love demon x human ships so much. 🤧 ( i like human bill a lot! )

if i am going to ship dipper with bill i prefer bills human disguise the fandom gave him over his original cartoon design. Honestly the animators of gravity falls could have had such opportunities with a 'human' bill over his original design. Just saying..

I love non human x human ships SO MUCH omg. 😳 show: gravity falls.

Ok so bit of a rant here. I am still pissed on how anti shippers harassed and still harass a black butler artist i follow on Instagram named kuroshookie. It was UNFAIR AND FUCKING CRUEL. 🤢

Yet they don't harass other artists who ship cielizzy or ciel x Sullivan together!? Not saying they should be harassed but they harassed my lovely artist for shipping sebaciel!?

If you didn't know ciel and Sullivan are minors ( ages being 12 or 13 ) and no one seems to have a problem with them being shipped and ending up together with a child but suddenly when another artist draws sebaciel family au's its suddenly a huge fucking problem!? Like my god. Can't you guys understand why i am disgusted here? Like can you guys see the hypocrisy!?

This also felt kinda homophobic as well since many antis are and against two males having kids. Another reason to be disgusted. I even got comments on my ship edits on my channel in the past when featuring tapyu's work saying 'how can two guys have a baby?' As if they don't know its goddamn fiction and sebastian can make ANYTHING work!

Also aren't they aware of paranormal pregnancy? Prob not. 🙄

( Images of the artists i am talking about above. Please DO NOT send harassment to either of them i using their images of their instas as info for this post. )

This artist should NEVER been harassed out of the fandom for their ship. If someone can ship Sullivan and ciel together along with Elizabeth let them ship fucking sebaciel. Ofc they called this artist the classic buzz words like pedophile and pedo bait.

Have you heard of the issue? I followed the sebaciel artist on twitter before and chatted with them. They are so nice and breaks my heart people are so mean to them.

For context:

Aray art ships ciel x Sullivan.

Tapyu ships sebaciel.

I enjoy both their arts but neither deserves harassment and people need to leave tapyu fucking alone!! 😡

( I don't know the full situation with tapyu but they disappeared in the past and sadly had their account reported by being accused of 'CP.' And had to now lock it down to avoid harassers and false reports. )

What are your thoughts? Aware of this in my fandom? Or outside of it?

( I know the artist can do things to avoid harassment etc as they probably are around my age or older. But i can't help but feel they have had injustice and want to make all this stop. This whole situation disgusts me of how hypocritical it is. )

For me i personally started to ship it back in 2016 ( shipped this for 10+ yrs. ) due to me always wanting the protector i never had in my life. ( want someone like sebastian. )

I crush so hard on sebastian but i also see myself in ciel. I literally am like his female counterpart irl. ( not sure if this would be self insert or yume ship? ) but i also do highly enjoy the age gap sebaciel has. it makes it so interesting so see a creature that's lived for over 1,000+ years be a servant to a 13 year old boy who's moody 24/7.

Also i highly enjoy their dynamic of power imbalance and how ciel relies on him. Also learning stuff from each others life times. ( like seen in book of atlantic sebastian's record. SPOILERS. )

I also love the fan service in the anime example: CORSET SCENE! LOL.

Shipper or not the author fed us all.