Dilemma: Delay overseed another 14-15 days from tomorrow, or skip 3rd Meso treatment for Creeping Bentgrass. What is the potential harm in waiting? Zone 7B Middletown NJ (07748)

So, as previously posted, due to weather, and confusion, I didn't get my 1st application of Meso done until Sept 12th, with a plan to seed this week. I did my front yard with no CB (Creeping Bentgrass) yesterday, so all good there, everything perfectly to plan.

My Issue: For the backyard with large swaths of CB, I just found out last week from Niles that CB needs 3 applications of Meso. If I do second application tomorrow, that puts my final rake out, meso & seeding on Oct 17th. I'm 5 miles from the Atlantic Ocean, so it does stay slightly warmer, slightly longer here, but that still puts me right on the edge, with first frost usually around Nov 21st.

I'm looking for worst case scenario. What is the worst case if I seed on the 17th, but we get a frost on, say Nov 12th, 13th,14th approx 26 days. Will I lose all of the seedlings and have a lot of bare soil where I raked out the CB? and then have a fight with weeds through the spring? or will they resume germinating and growing in the spring while I hit them with pre-emergent and fert.

If so, would I be better off skipping a 3rd meso application, and doing rake out, meso, seeding, and starter fert tomorrow and Sunday? If I do it all this weekend, will all of the CB come back with a vengeance through next year, and put me in the same situation for next fall (with an earlier start date)?

BTW, manual rake out is not getting everything out, so I plan on using a power rake/detatcher. Any thoughts on that?

Thanks for all of your help so far Niles, hopefully this is the last of my questions on this.

Edit: I know you previously said I should be fine through the 21st Niles, but I'm just asking for a what-if worst scenario if an early freeze.

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u/Keizman55 — 12 days ago

Latest viable Blue Resilience seeding date in 7b? Oct 3rd too late?

Edit: Someone on Facebook responded that they had some I could borrow, so all good.

I had planned to spread tenacity today on my lawn that has been invaded by Creeping Bentgrass, plus some other weeds, but the blue spray dye was damaged or lost in transit, so I am out of luck until Tuesday the 22nd. That would push my rake out and seeding day until possibly October 8 if I am supposed to wait 21 days

Is that too late?

Should I just spray today without dye and hope I can see what I'm doing?

I don't want to lose three days, but maybe I'm being to cautious? Haven't done this before so not sure how obvious the coverage will be. I am using surfacant with the tenacity (actually Torocity).

The 10 year soil temp average for Oct 8th is 64. The average air temp is low of 50, high of 68.

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u/Keizman55 — 1 month ago

New grass or weed attack during the mid summer 7b

Last month, we underwent some very hot days for the better part of 2 weeks. During this time I let the lawn grow higher, to 4 4-1/2 inches and even higher in some spots. I was able to water deeply and most of the lawn was lush and green through the whole ordeal. Big rain days followed, so I cut the lawn back down to 3 1/2 inches. When I did that, there were these areas of a type of grass that I didn't have before, with a lot of tan color, along with a rhizome structure spreading throughout the lawn mainly around these patches. When I try to pull up just the brown, sections come up with it.

What is it, but more importantly, what should I do. I have a whole bag of Blue Resilience from Twin City ready to spread in about 2 week, and Scott's Max to go down 1/2 before (this week), 1/2 2 weeks after seeding. Should I do something else to deal with this first?

Section that has been invaded

Section 2

Section 2 closer up

Trying to pull up individual plant - it is attached strongly to a rhizome structure

close up 1

close up 2

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u/Keizman55 — 1 month ago

75% awesome - 25% mixed success 7B Monmouth County NJ

Based on all of the help I've gotten and read in this sub, most of my lawn is beautiful, and getting compliments. It's been two years, and am pretty happy, but I have a couple of questionable sections. Sorry for the multiple questions and pics.

First, over the years, a different type of grass has crept it's half way across one section of my lawn (Pic 1 & 2). It goes dormant earlier than the rest and greens up later. A former neighbor behind me had what they called Zoysia grass. About 20 years ago, they sold and the new neighbor removed 99% of it, but I think they didn't get it all and that is what I think is creeping in. It is the lighter color on the far right three quarters of this pic. Is there any way to stem the tide or do I need to remove it and replace it. Weird part is that not a weed, bare spot or burned out spot has shown up in there, so it is actually maybe better? Anyway, I'm not a fan of the two different grasses, but wouldn't be adverse to letting it continue up until the walkways in the pic. It did take almost 20 years to get as far as it has, so not sure if that's what I want to do.

Pic 1 Zoysia creeping in?

Pic 2 Zoysia?

Second section with a problem is also coming from that direction, but inside the fence (pic 3 & 4). However, not sure if it is all that grass as there is a mix of different things in the section. If it is some type of weed, what's the best remediation. I got rid of creeping charlie very quickly, but don't want to spray the whole lawn if this is just grass. I'm OK with keeping this Zoysia too as there a natural break spot, so it's not noticeable - yet. I think there is also some crabgrass mixed in back there, so I know I need to take care of that.

Pic 3 Back section Zoysia or weeds?

Pic 4 Healthy, except some crabgrass I need to get rid of (not shown in pic), should I worry about the creeping in of the Zoysia?

Third, I have some crabgrass moving into the one area of my lawn that I am trouble keeping lush (pic 5). It is in the sun all day, watered deep twice per week, and treated with all of the same fertilizers and weed control as the rest of my property. Once upon a time there were two massive, ground hugging evergreens there and the round was awful when I removed them 15+ years ago.. I'm guessing that I could add good topsoil and make the lawn hardier, but I'm wondering if there is some mid-summer treatment that I can put down to fight the intrusiveness of weeds, creeping charlie, clover, etc. I'll be spot spraying these with Roundup for lawns for now, but I'm going to rehab this section next and want to make sure to get the right guidance first.

Pic 5 - next section project

Below is what most of the rest of my property looks like (pic 6, 7, 8). Not perfect, and will be mowing later today or tomorrow, but very happy with the results. Three quarters of my property looks like this.

Pic 6 Cooper says it's healthy

Pic 7 pretty healthy

Pic 8 a little thin in front, will be adding some topsoil in the fall or spring

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u/Keizman55 — 3 months ago

Sudden mushrooms in Monmouth County NJ US

Found in side yard - just sprung up

Cloeup view

https://preview.redd.it/doxpr67o18dh1.jpg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d9689c9b364df6584cd9da7a393e2bbd2a6d9dcd

Found these in my side yard flower/bush bed. Dug them out, but found a layer of weird light color material under the mulch that the mushrooms seemed to be attached to. It comes out in chunks. You can see a chunk of it attached to the base of the stems.

https://preview.redd.it/03m72vd648dh1.jpg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=411712a0e297d9f313e1875467a7e6fd5a975688

Monmouth County, NJ, USA

What type of mushrooms are these and how do I get rid of or prevent them?

Is it possible that the weird layer is somehow a mushroom base and should I dig it all out?

Also just noticed some carpenter ants in the same vicinity as I dug up a couple pieces, if that helps. I have pest control coming for the ants on Friday, but not sure what to do about the mushrooms. FYI - I've had some common "Lawnmower" mushrooms pop up here and there in the lawn after massive rainstorms or deep watering with my sprinklers. Maybe related?

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u/Keizman55 — 3 months ago
▲ 3 r/ITunes

Itunes music accounts mixup and can't get to the songs in my playlist

At some time at least a year ago, my wife's iTunes account got overridden by mine. Her purchased and dowloaded (ripped from CDs) songs disappeared. She has a playlist on her phone with hundreds of songs that I can't find in her or my iTunes accounts. She can play the songs from her phone, but I want to download them to a Shokz headphone for swimming but I can't figure out where they exist that she can play them on her phone, but they are not in our pc.

I was able to move some of my music to her device but she really wants to play the songs from the collection she paid for and I spent hours ripping from CD to iTunes.

I just started have a trial subscription to Apple Music and we will go that route, but at some point, if we or Apple decides to end that, we will be back in the same boat, after spending on monthly subscription fees, which seems backwards considering we already paid for her music.

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u/Keizman55 — 5 months ago

Dog eats mushrooms - zone 7B

https://preview.redd.it/37v5ns839b3h1.jpg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2c4a6d158838bba72e22f94b52a022057ba945c3

My 80 pound Lab likes to eat these. I have to watch him like a hawk to prevent it, but every once in a while he gets one down before I notice what he;s doing. He's very tricky.

Is there something I can do to stop these from growing in the yard. The lawn is the greenest and fullest it's been in years, yet these pop up whenever it rains, or after watering. I don't think they're poisonous from posts and responses I've read here, but I would rather eliminate them and the temptation if I can.

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u/Keizman55 — 5 months ago

Full green fading / browning? Zone 7b

Two weeks ago, my lawn was perfect for the first time ever. Seeded in the fall and fertilized in the spring at recommended soil temps. Cut twice a week to proper lengths. Compliments all around.

About 10 days ago, notice wasn't as bright green. Looked closer and now I see that a small percentage of the blades are not green, enough that it has dulled down the overall lawn color. Still thick and no patches, just mostly evenly browning.

First pic is April 23rd. The rest of the pics are now. I included pics of bag labels for reference. Only had to water once because we've had weird, wet weather here in NJ. We're about 5 miles from the Ocean and just south of Sandy Hook, NJ for reference.

Not sure what the condition is, nor what to do about it. Thanks in advance for your help.

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u/Keizman55 — 5 months ago