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By refusing to leave the area he was essentially condemning himself, Nami, Chopper, Brook, Pedro & Carrot to death.

"Sanji! Come back here or I will kill myself and get my whole crew killed too!" is essentially what Luffy was saying.

Lucky that Jimbe just so happened to be around.

I know the idea Judy thought so deeply hurt him, but after seeing it happen to Manchas do you think Nick was scared the same could happen to him? Given this was before he knew what the catalyst was and it seemingly only affected Predators.

Basically any instance of the early arcs of One Piece which with the benefit of hindsight feels out of place with the manga now.

I'll go first. Luffy accusing Buggy of cheating when he stabs Zoro from behind. An act Buggy defends because "anything goes in a Pirate Fight."

Luffy would himself adopt this mindset when fighting Katakuri, where he excuses Flampe shooting him because he failed to sense the attack coming. Ironic that Katakuri would consider this unfair and wound himself to "make things even".

The Luffy of today has no problem fighting dirty.

It's not like they have moral objections to murder, they are Pirates after all, and they always conveniently get into fights with people that are willing to kill them first. One Piece isn't a manga that refuses to portray death, people die all the time (mainly in flashbacks or lore dumps). The Straw Hats only refuse to mess with those that they happen to like (most of the time) and treat their enemies as fare game upon which anything goes...But Oda never lets them kill any one. Usually.

The idea that "Luffy prefers to crush his opponents' dreams" doesn't hold up because it's never stated in the manga, and Luffy's not someone whom has qualms with killing his enemies. Oda just never lets him land a killing blow. Usually. Like the times he sent Alvida, Buggy and Wapol flying, Luffy wasn't considering the risk that his attacks would kill them, if anything he was expecting that they would...But by sheer plot armour they don't land in water and drown.

So what gives?

Zootopia's theme was Prejudice.

Zootopia 2's theme was Communication.

Zootopia 3's theme is going to be Past & Future.

Why? Because it's pretty clear that Zootopia 3 is being set up to shed light on Nick's past. I don't see his unresolved childhood trauma being alluded to in both Zootopia and Zootopia 2 if Zootopia 3's not going to touch on it. Birds will be in the movie but if Zootopia 3 sticks with the current trends of the previous movies they will be secondary to Judy and Nick's arcs.

That covers the Past theme, but what about the Future? That will be Judy's arc. Deciding what future she wants for her & Nick. It's been established that her grandmother expects kits, but more than that Judy may have a mid-life crisis. Now she has proven herself twice over and addressed her traumas that compelled her to push herself so hard...Does she really want to be a cop till retirement?

Judy has gotten to the point where her original motivation is obsolete. To prove a bunny like her can do it. At this point Judy has nothing more to prove, and no longer uses that motivation to shut out her doubts and fears. She's finally opening up in ways she didn't allow herself to for years out of a fear of appearing weak. But now she has grown out of that unhealthy coping mechanism...Is being a cop really what Judy wants any more?

I think that's where her character will go in Zootopia 3. While Nick unpacks his past, Judy will be considering the future.

I've just finished the Little Garden arc and I'm really enjoying it.

Specifically how far they are willing to go if they think the other is being put in danger by an antagonist. We've seen their protective sides come out in a positive way, but that instinct can also manifest in a negative way.

It would show just how strongly they want to protect each other. Seeing them pushed to the edge could be an effective way to show that.

I sometimes wonder because the fur colour on her eyelids is different to the fur around her eyes. Are they naturally that colour or eyeshadow?

Why? Because it allowed enough time to pass for Zootopia nostalgia to set in for the fandom, as well as the general audience. Especially in Asia where the Zootopia theme park could be built in preparation for the release of Z2. As well as the other Zootopia-themed attractions and events like Better Zoogether & Hot Pursuit. And even Zootopia+

Once the first teaser for Z2 dropped and it was announced as part of Disney's upcoming movie line-up it meant anticipation and hype for the movie could reach a fever pitch.

If Z2 came out a few years after Z1 I don't think it would have done as well at the box office, given you'd be missing that naturally grown nostalgia as well as the other attractions to help grow the brand.

A 2020-2022 release would have been especially bad due to COVID-19 closing all the cinemas. Z2 would have bombed if it released in that three-year span, especially in the first year.

She may get screwed over for focus after the first quarter of the story, but Haru really goes grow and improve as a person by the end. Showing her willingness to be open with her relationship with Legoshi and prepared to face any challenges they encounter with him head on.

Like you'd think they'd be somewhat shaken up seeing someone fall to their death right before their eyes (even a murderous scumbag like Pawbert). Goes to show that in that moment the only thing that mattered to them was each other, and that Pawbert deserved no pity after what he did.

They're more surprised than anything to learn he's not actually dead, and from there on it's just business as usual for Wilde and Hopps. No conflicted feelings, no hesitation, just busting the criminal like they do.

It's not just the fact that it was too dark, gritty & depressing for a Disney movie aimed at children. The premise itself is fundamentally broken.

Think about it. Why would a society like Zootopia where the Predators are forced to wear Tame Collars even come about? The idea is that it makes the Prey feel safe. But that explanation falls flat because the alternative would be for the two groups to live apart from one another.

Prey do not benefit from the presence of Predators in their midst in this version. They are not exploited or enslaved. Yes they have fewer rights but the negatives far outweigh the positives on both ends. Predators & Prey.

If given the choice the groups would just avoid one another altogether. Unless the world of Zootopia really is just this one city but I doubt that was the idea.

It feels like when conceptualising Zootopia the crew started with the Tame Collar premise and never considered how nonsensical it was as a starting point.

Because the prejudiced metaphor is way too blunt, unsubtle, and just plain nonsensical. Why would the Predators all agree to live in a society where they have to wear Shock Collars by law? They may be a minority population but they hold enough of a stake in society where I don't see them just accepting that position.

If we're meant to think Predators and Prey collectively evolved at the same time and agreed to form a society together...Why would the Predators willingly collar themselves for the sake of the Prey? This isn't a case where they're descended from slaves or some other marginalised group that the Prey brought over generations ago, or migrants that migrated for a better opportunity. Far as we know Predators have lived with Prey for as long as they've been sentient, so the original worldbuilding simply doesn't make sense.

Also, a movie like we saw in the original concept just wouldn't be a fun watch. Yes we'd get more of Nick but it would be a very bleak story with very little humour or reason to root for Zootopia as a concept. It would be 90 minutes of Nick struggling for scraps in a society that shuns him for existing, without a more optimistic and hopeful Judy to spur his positive development or offset the bleak tone. Yes it would be a grittier story, but it wouldn't be enjoyable to watch.