Are Interspecies Relationships taboo or not?

It's something the narrative seems undecided on at times. For the first 60-or so chapters of the manga they are treated as something society frowns upon...But by the time Haru is attending college they're trendy and "in" all of a sudden?

Did I miss something?

Because I'm pretty sure during the Murder Solution Arc the way society views Interspecies Relationships was a sticking point between Legoshi & Haru. He wanted them to be open about their being an item but Haru was against it. Which is part of why he questions if they are actually an item.

Yet when we get to the Love Failure Arc we see Ako and Eardo openly dating at Haru's college and no one cares. It's treated as fashionable and desirable rather than taboo & shunned.

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u/Kirbo84 — 1 day ago

Do you think Chris was doomed?

I think so because his autism and other problems were so severe that he remained nonverbal till he was 7. Making him extremely hard to deal with. That combined with how notorious the foster care system means if Chris was taken away from Bob and Barb there is a very high likeliness that Chris would have been abused

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u/Kirbo84 — 3 days ago

If Judy & Nick get together whom do you see wearing the pants in the relationship?

Given how strong-willed and proactive she is I could see Judy taking the more active role with Nick being the more passive partner. However I also think Judy would be willing to listen to Nick and less pushy after the events of Z2.

So if Judy gets the impulse that she wants to do something with Nick her first thought would be "we should do this" or "we need to do that"...But then she'd ask Nick "But what do you think, Nick?" so Nick can voice his opinion and have his say.

I don't see Nick being the first to make a decision that affects them both, but I do see him being more willing to stand his ground and suggest a better alternative if he sees one. Not allowing Judy to railroad him while still taking the time to understand her POV.

"Okay Judy, we can do X. But if we do I suggest we do Y first, because I think it would work out better in the long run."

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u/Kirbo84 — 4 days ago

I've never understood the viewpoint that Pawbert is a tragic villain.

Mainly because Zootopia 2 never frames him that way. Especially not with how he is defeated. The downfall of Pawbert is not presented as sad, sombre or even bittersweet. It's a lighthearted romp where his pain and fear are played to upbeat, comical music.

"...Daddy!" "Daddy is busy!"

You don't typically dispatch your tragic villain through slapstick violence and referential humour. Pawbert getting beatdown is meant to be entertaining, not uncomfortable. Judy and Nick even rub it in his face.

"It's called an Arrest, Sweetheart." "A-boom."

You want a tragic villain downfall look no further than Azula from ATLA. We see her descent into madness from her POV. It's chilling and suspenseful, and the final battle with Zuko, while epic in scale, is also scored to sad, sombre music.

Then you have her defeat which has Azula break down in hysterical rage before being reduced to impotent sobbing. No upbeat music, no corny jokes, just a scene that leaves you feeling empty.

Nothing at all like Pawbert got. Even his prison scenes are shown in a "happily ever after" montage of other scenes. Not how you cap off the arc of a tragic villain.

"...That'll do, Pig. That'll do."

Pawbert's defeat is more like Ozai's, whose also reduced to a delusional, helpless, drooling mess while being the butt of the joke. Mainly from Sokka.

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u/Kirbo84 — 7 days ago

Judy and Nick should have defeated Milton in the climax.

It would have been cathartic to see him taken down by the same "Lesser Mammals" he'd written off when Nick was captured. While showing that they could work together to take down a common foe. Rather than being at odds like they were for most of the movie, thereby completing their arcs and proving Milton wrong.

You could still have the scene of Milton throwing his kids at Windancer to save himself, but instead of just getting kicked in the head he could have tried to run, only for Team Zoogetherness to take him down as he tries to escape.

After all Gary alone was enough to handle Pawbert and their beef was more personal.

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u/Kirbo84 — 9 days ago

Pawbert fans always say he should be redeemed...

But they never ask the question "WHY should Pawbert be redeemed?" Why would Pawbert care enough about his crimes or the people he hurt to seek out redemption? He never expressed guilt, remorse or regret. Probably because Gary, Judy, Nibbles and Nick are nobodies in his eyes.

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u/Kirbo84 — 10 days ago

Does Bellwether really hate Predators?

Now the obvious and easy answer is "no duh.", Bellwether engineered a crisis targetting Predators which almost tore Zootopia in two. She boasts about how Predators make up 10% of the population and she was willing to dart them all to maintain power.

But I don't think it's that simple. Because we never get a scene where Bellwether expresses any overt hatred for them like we get with Milton & Pawbert in Zootopia 2 in regards to Reptiles or "Lesser Mammals". She never calls them "filthy" or "lesser", Bellwether's motivation remains solely on power.

We see this weaponisation of prejudice when she tries to manipulate Judy at the climax. Bellwether says they would be "unstoppable" but keep in mind she's trying to appeal to what she knows about Judy to get her to come out. Bellwether believes that Judy hates Predators and thinks she can use that and their mutual experience of being "underappreciated" against her.

However you may ask "but what about what she said to Judy about Predators being predisposed towards savagery?", but again it's not that simple. In that scene Bellwether was mocking Judy. She was taking Judy's own words from the press conference and throwing them back in her face.

You may bring up Clawhauser being pushed into the records room, but Bellwether is never implied to be the cause of him being moved. He says "they moved me to records" which suggests it was a ZPD decision. Because they were at the height of the "Savage" outbreak.

Even in Zootopia 2 what little we see of Bellwether does not suggest she hates Predators. When she sees Nick she refers to him as "Nicholas" rather than "Fox". She's undoubtably angry at him for his hand in her arrest, but Bellwether never throws any Predator hatred at him. The worst she does is jumpscare him.

Does Bellwether like Predators? Absolutely not. But there's little evidence to suggest her actions in either film were motivated by a hatred of Predators. "Fear always works." Is Bellwether's motto, not "Predators are scum".

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u/Kirbo84 — 11 days ago

Emmet Otterton being a Naturalist makes a lot of sense given he was likely born in Marsh Market.

The one place where half-nudity is normalised.

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u/Kirbo84 — 12 days ago

If we go by Inside Out rules what would you say is every major Zootopian's dominant Emotion?

I'll start: Judy's is 100% Fear due to her being constantly plagued by self-doubt in that she's good enough. Specifically how she's in a perpetual state of feeling she's failing. Z1 also had her Fear of Foxes as a major part of her character. Though at the end of Z2 she's starting to shift towards Joy.

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u/Kirbo84 — 18 days ago

What do you think Judy's arc in Z3 will be?

It seems pretty clear that Nick's past is going to factor into his arc given he's not fully resolved it and Z2 alluded to his trauma from it twice. So it's highly likely that Nick is going to have to face his past in some way, but what about Judy?

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u/Kirbo84 — 18 days ago

Headcanon: Mammals, Reptiles & Birds have their own community-specific colloquialisms.

For example: Rabbits use "Somebunny" in place of "Somebody" and "Everybunny" in place of "Everybody". Specifically around other Rabbits.

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u/Kirbo84 — 19 days ago