u/KirkIsOurLemmy

12AX7 effects loop as gain stage?

Hello all, my Tiny Terror build has gone unexpectedly quick, its working and sounding great. So off to the next step:

This amp doesn't really have any EQ capabilities, only a basic treble cut control. So I thought it would be nice with an effects loop, I think an EQ pedal between the preamp and PI on this amp will really open up a lot of cool sounds.

So applying my newly acquired and very rudimentary knowledge I was thinking like this: the PT has enough filament current to heat one more 12AX7, what if I wire the first half as a cathode follower before the send jack, as a buffer and with a pot to dial down the signal level to not clip the pedals. And then the other half as a triode after the return jack, to restore the signal level, also with a gain pot.

So far so good, or have I gone off the rails already?

Because then I thought that a 12AX7 in triode circuit, that is a gain stage, like the gain stages in a modern high gain amp, that can add distortion. So I was thinking , can I configure the caps, resistors and pot for this stage to span the whole range from clean signal recovery to heavy clipping? So that say in the first half of the pot sweep it acts like a typical effect return level control, and for the second half it turns into an increasingly saturated distortion stage.

Does this make sense or am I completely off the rails now?

Thanks in advance :)

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u/KirkIsOurLemmy — 3 days ago

EL84 cathode bias voltage?

Hello all, my Tiny Terror build is working and sounding good, and I did some measurements on voltages. It is a 2xEL84 push/pull with 120 ohm cathode bias resistor shared by both tubes. The cathode voltage is 10.4 V. B+ is 319 V.

I have read that target bias voltage is 12 V, so am I running the tubes too hot? Should I change to a 150 ohm resistor?

Is this mainly about tube lifespan or can I expect some change in the sound if I increase bias voltage to 12 V?

Thanks in advance

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u/KirkIsOurLemmy — 4 days ago

Treble cut control location?

Hello all, I have now got my Tiny Terror amp build working, apart from one thing. The tone control, it has no effect whatsoever on the sound.

It is actually not a traditional tone control, its a treble cut control, placed between phase inverter and power stage, with a capacitor short circuiting high frequencies between the phases, cancelling them out. Vox AC15 uses the same kind of control. Even if its crude I would still want it to work as the amp is a little bit bright sounding.

I can't really understand why its not working, but I assume either the pot or the cap is broken. Im waiting for new parts.

And now, after writing a whole novel again, comes the question:

In the Tiny Terror schematic the treble cut is placed after the master volume pots, but in the schematic for the Dual Terror, that is supposed to have one channel identical to Tiny Terror, the treble cut is before the master volume. Is there any difference in how the cut works depending on the location? The Dual Terror is a newer design so one could expect its an improved design?

Thanks in advance

u/KirkIsOurLemmy — 7 days ago
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Tiny Terror is alive :)

Hello all, after fixing a few stupid errors my Tiny Terror build is producing sound, yay.

Maybe most silly mistake was to use 100 ohm instead of 100 kohm for phase inverter anode resistors. It actually worked but the sound volume was very low...

Since I was aiming for a bit fuzzy drone sound I have used 120 kohm for all 12AX7 anode resistors, for more gain. It seems to work in the sense that at full gain it sounds quite fuzzy.

A few things I want to improve:

- its fairly noisy at high gain settings. Is there any obvous error in the routing of cables or such that anyone can spot?

- I would like more low end in the sound, its fairly bright sounding. Is there any components I can tweak to get in that direction?

- related to the previous point, the tone control is very subtle in general. I think my next step will be to add an effects loop so I can put an EQ pedal. This would maybe also solve the low end issue.

u/KirkIsOurLemmy — 8 days ago

Useful?

Found some components, from a 1970:s HiFi amplifier, are any of these still usable for making pedals?

u/KirkIsOurLemmy — 13 days ago
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Hello all, I think I am past half way done on my Orange Tiny Terror build.

How does it look so far? Any obvious goofs?

u/KirkIsOurLemmy — 15 days ago

Hello all, what software are people using for making layouts for tag/turret board builds? To create something like the example image?

Creating good layout from a schematic requires you to move components around to find the best order of things, and it would be very convenient with a software tool that supports that.

The layout tools I have found are either for making schematics and simulating circuits, or for pcb layout.

I have made a few layouts using PowerPoint but that is a completely manual process, and really tedious :)

Thanks in advance

u/KirkIsOurLemmy — 16 days ago

Hello all, a question on how to wire the speaker out jack on a tube amp.

I am using a switched Cliff jack, there are two more lugs that are connected to tip and ring as long as the jack is unplugged, but get disconnected when you plug in your speakers.

I was thinking maybe I can do something clever to protect the output transformer. If the amp is started with no speaker connected, an open circuit, the OT will be damaged.

If I understand correctly its safe to put a higher resistance than the rated speaker impedance, you will just lower the power output, nothing will break.

So here is my idea, I have a left over 150 ohm, 5 watt resistor. What if i connect that between the two switched lugs? Then if the amp is started with no speaker connected the OT will see 150 ohm, very little power will be output but the OT will not be destroyed. The amp is 15 watt so quite small.

Would this work or am I missing something?

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u/KirkIsOurLemmy — 19 days ago

Hello all, I have started building my Tiny Terror, and realised I made a mistake in ordering one of the capacitors..

It sits across the AC input, in the bridge rectifier. Its supposed to be .01 uF but I bought. 001 uF, 1 nF.

So the question is, what does this cap do, is it important? Is the value critical or could i use anything larger than .01 uF? Or could I even use the 1 nF one?

Im guessing its there to reduce ripple?

Thanks in advance

u/KirkIsOurLemmy — 22 days ago
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Hello, I have gotten most of the parts for my Tiny Terror build, and started to figure out how to place the different parts in the chassis.

I came up with this layout, preamp tubes to the right, EL84:s to the left. Input on the right end of the tag board, then from right to left preamp - PI - power amp - power supply.

This layout seems to give the shortest and straightest run for the various cables to different places

Does it make sense or am I doing something obviously stupid here?

Thanks in advance

u/KirkIsOurLemmy — 23 days ago

Hello all, I have only built guitar pedals so far but am about to start my first tube amp build, parts are in the mail :)

For fuzz and distortion pedals you typically get a more distorted and compressed sound if you run a 9 V power supply, and for pedals that can run for instance also on 18 V there is more headroom, cleaner sound. I guess lower supply voltage will mean clipping at lower signal voltages.

So my question, is it the same for tube amp circuits? I am building an Orange Tiny Terror, 2x12AX7 preamp and 2xEL84 power amp. Will supply voltage have any impact on the amount of distortion produced?

The reason I'm asking is that an original Tiny Terror has a power transformer with 238 V secondary voltage. I could not find one with that exact spec so I bought one with 250 V.

But then I had this thought, the secondary voltage is a product of input voltage, and ratio between primary and secondary winding in the transformer. The transformer I bought can be wired for a few different input voltages, among then 220, 230 and 240 V. Here in Sweden nominal voltage is 230 V, does that mean if I wire the transformer as for 240 V will I get a lower secondary voltage than 250 V then? If its simply applying the difference in ratio I would then get 239.6 V. Unless I messed up my numbers :)

Input, thoughts?

Thanks in advance

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u/KirkIsOurLemmy — 26 days ago