Do Lion Guard leaders get presentations?

In the films we've seen heirs get presentations where they are held up. I'm wondering if that's the same case with for second-born royal cubs who'll eventually lead the next Lion Guard (i.e. meaning that both Scar and Kion got respective presentations of their own).

On one hand, I think it'd be cool to honor not just the heir but also the future Lion Guard leader, but at the same time, it probably makes more sense for only the heir to get a presentation, since they're (as mean as this will sound) more important.

Although I do headcanon that Kiara eventually breaks that rule and has a presentation for her second-born.

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u/KrattBoy2006 — 8 days ago

Kion without his scar is a really funny animation error.

I've apparently had this screenshot on my computer for three years wtf?

Taken from Season 3, Episode 19, Journey to the Pride Lands during the "Of The Same Pride" sequence.

And yeah, you can also see a part of Kion's mane split, but I find the lack of a scar much, much funnier.

u/KrattBoy2006 — 8 days ago

Were there any promos for the final episode?

Like many people, I didn't see Season 3 of The Lion Guard when it first aired on television back in 2019 (minus Battle for the Pride Lands). I watched the episodes as they were dropped on DisneyNow. Which means that I didn't see the final 2 episodes on television, nor did I see any lead-up to the finale's release. In fact the only time I saw the final season of the show on television was on demand back in 2023, four years after the show ended.

I wish I did see the finale air on television (and that Disney hadn't... stupidly dumped the last 20 episodes on a streaming platform before they were on the air). But I always wondered if there was ever a trailer or promo for the last episode. I've searched everywhere but the closest I can find is a brief promo for Season3a's DisneyNow release on YouTube.

I've noticed that by the second half of Season 2b, they stopped using promos for individual episodes, and just used the same promo that recycles clips from previous episodes, slapping a "new episode" announcement at the end (they did this for Fire From the Sky, which, mind you, was the Season 2 finale). Between that, and the shift to releasing episodes through streaming, I'm starting to think that there was no fanfare, promos or trailers for the last episode of the series. Which sucks because there was so much hype when Return of the Roar came out and that hype/relevance lasted throughout half of the series before they just got really lazy with the latter half, and the show just faded into the void without any major send-off.

But I'm gonna intake some copium; Because again, I did not see Season 3 when it was airing on television, so I wouldn't have been able to see any promos for individual episodes during the broadcast. So I'm HOPING there was at least some kind of trailer material.

To those who watched Season 3 when it was physically on the air (with or without having seen the DisneyNow releases), or those who are far more manuverable in the bowels of the Internet than I, were there any promos for the last episode of the show?

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u/KrattBoy2006 — 9 days ago
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Princess Niśā - Leader of the Next Night Pride

Meet Princess Niśā Taji-Mūrdhā of the Tree of Life. The daughter of Queen Rani and King Kion, and the leader of the future Night Pride.

The design was purchased from tango.gofizzle, who, in kind, adopted it from u/appletaterart! The adopt was a Scar x Janna blender, hence why she may not look ENTIRELY like either of the parents. She's not genetically related to Scar (remember that my story follows the continuty of MTLK, so Mufasa and Scar are adoptive brothers in this - Scar's genes aren't inherited by anyone of Mufasa's descendants). She IS Janna's great-granddaughter, so I felt the logic would track. This is my first grid adopt so I'm still getting the hang of things lol.

This is not a spoiler, and some of you may have guessed it, but Kion and Rani will have cubs at the end of Roar Towards the Future. Season 6 will cover the sixth and final story arc of the fanfic, focusing around Kion and Rani becoming parents. It was something I planned out since before I even started writing this story, although there were many revisions of that idea before I settled for the one that you will see in due time. 

A lot of post-Lion Guard fanfics usually start with a timeskip to Kion and Rani as adults with cubs. And whilst that is an interesting and cute direction in a lot of fanworks, mine doesn’t go that route. I personally find it much more interesting to have the story directly pick up from the ending of the show and work from there, focusing on how these characters adapt to their new lives, and featuring their slow-burn development from where we last saw them into the adults that they’ll inevitably become. The journey is more important than the destination.

The one thing that I can say IS a spoiler is that the story will not immediately end with Kion and Rani having kids like TLK did. The arrival of Rani’s cubs will come halfway through Part 6, and there will still be some story left to go afterwards, and it won't be focused on the cubs themselves (which is why I'm comfortable with sharing details of these cubs' teen/adult years since they won't be main characters in this story). There is also a major plot-twist in the final part of the story that I think will make the arc and its characters come full circle. Overall, I think Part 6 of Roar Towards the Future will make for a satisfying conclusion of the fanfic, however, we are still a long way to go until then.

One last spoiler for the road: Kion and Rani will have 4 cubs. Two girls, two boys, in that order. Their first-born is a girl, but I’m not going to reveal who she is because that is ALSO a huge spoiler (you will shit your fucking pants at this reveal, I promise y’all). However, I can feel safe in sharing you the identity of the other three kids.

We'll start off with Niśā (meaning "Night" in Hindi). Niśā is Rani and Kion's second daughter, and their third-born.

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Initially, the Tree of Life had no designated roles for any cubs other than the first-born, who would be the heir. When Queen Janna created the Night Pride, she assumed leadership over this group, and passed that leadership onto Rani when she was no longer able to perform her duties. Kion served as the unofficial co-leader of the Night Pride, whilst leading the Tree of Life's Lion Guard, and doubling as the King Consort, which further enabled this structure, no matter how many problems it arose for them.

Years into Rani and Kion's reign, when they discussed the prospect of having cubs, they had a moment to really look at the structure of the Tree of Life's monarchy, and they agreed that some changes were in order. They decided to make the monarch, the Lion Guard, and the Night Pride separate positions, held by the first, second, and third-born respectively. This allowed each position to be carefully fulfilled rather than juggled all at once and risk consolidating power or breeding serious abuse and conflict of interest.

Niśā was the third child in the family that Kion and Rani had created. She got along well with her siblings, cousins, and parents, and was content with her role as the leader of the next Night Pride. However, things didn't progress the way they would. She was always told she'd lead the next team of lions to patrol at night, but any proactivity in preparation for that role was held off. Niśā's older sister and brother were constantly mentored to become Queen and leader of the Lion Guard, repsectively, but Niśā felt like she was falling behind.

Finally, in her early teens when emotional regulation and filters went out the gate and cynicysm and grudges began to fester, Niśā, almost entirely out of the blue, finally asked a blunt and succint, "Why the actual fuck." To which Rani gave her answer; She didn't want impose this role on Niśā so young, the same way it was on Rani. Rani had never truly escaped the impact of her parents' deaths, the very thing that led to the Night Pride's creation and her eventual leadership over it, and did not want Niśā to go through what she did.

Niśā was... conflicted. A part of her felt cheated for not having known this and spending a sizeable chunk of her life waiting for something that wasn't going to come. On the other hand, it made her understand her mom more, as she was always intrigued with Rani's side of the family, especially the absence of her maternal grandparents. She disagreed with her mom's procrastination and partial dishonesty, but she understood where she was coming from, and was very relieved to see her mother apologize and understand her.

Niśā's teen years felt like a second childhood to her, living out her ambitions of her future career, and actually being supported through them. Rani saw the dedication and effort her daughter put into her education, and realized that she had succeeded in giving her daughter the stability that she felt she was lacking in her own youth.

By the time Niśā had turned 18, she was ready to receive the Mark of the Night Pride and lead her own elite squadron of nocturnal lions to keep the kingdom's subjects safe at night. Unlike Kion, she is content with leading a team of lions. However, at the end of the day, she is still her father's daughter and isn't afraid of breaking tradition a tiny bit in other ways.

Voice-Claim: Maitreyi Ramakrishnan (Devi Vishwakumar from Never Have I Ever)

You'll be seeing her brothers really soon (one older, one younger, all in the same litter) And again, her older sister is going to be kept a secret until the final act of the story.)

u/KrattBoy2006 — 17 days ago

Do the elephants ever return to Kilio Valley?

In the final episode, we see that several areas attacked by the Army of Scar managed to recover: Pride Rock, Big Springs, and Mizimu Grove. But we never get any closure for Killio Valley. The last time we see it is in Battle for the Pride Lands, in which it's still destroyed by the fire.

In that episode, Jasiri takes over the Outlands and the Outlanders peacefully accept defeat, so the valley isn't under their control anymore, but neither in that episode, nor in the finale is it addressed if Ma Tembo and the elephants return to their ancestral homeland. So what stances or thoughts do y'all have on this?

The way I see it, I think Kilio Valley being destroyed and occupied by the Outlanders for years on end, as implied by S3E1, would prevent it from healing quickly like Mizimu Grove, which at least had new "blood" in the ecosystem via Makini's baby plant. So it could very much come back but only after the events of the finale.

Which would make it really sad that the elephant herd would be displaced from their home for that long, (especially considering that's where Ma Tembo BURIED her father a few years ago). But their return home being delayed would be much easier to digest than the idea that they'd NEVER come home again.

Season 1 and Season 2's contradictory geography on Kilio Valley (former implies it to be foreign from the Pride Lands, latter implies it to be a part of the Pride Lands) makes it much more interesting in regards to what happens to that territory once the war is over and whether or not Ma Tembo's herd returns home.

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u/KrattBoy2006 — 22 days ago
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Lion Guard: Fun Facts from Ford Riley (2026)

This was obtained like, a month ago and my dumbass procrastinated on bringing it here specifically. But with the sudden release of Lion Guard "concepts" on YouTube that have taken the fandom by storm almost overnight, I felt this is an apt enough time to bring it. And yes, this post will be long. No, there won't be any TLDRs.

To catch things up on anyone who is employed: Four years ago in 2022, I contacted Lion Guard writer, Ford Riley with some questions on the show. He answered and it allowed for some really interesting insights into the creative process (most prominently, Kion's age in the final season, and the Night Pride's backstory). You can see the full post detailing that info here, posted during the 30th anniversary week of the first movie (...two fucking years ago jesus christ).

https://www.reddit.com/r/lionking/comments/1dmezxk/30_years_of_the_lion_king_day_29_word_of_the/

Tonight's post is a "sequel" to that one. To keep it brief, I held off on asking the writer anymore questions for years cause, let's be honest, there's only so much time people on both sides of such a discussion can spend doing this.

Until mid-August where I, in an act of complete and utter boredom and curiosity, decided to have another inquiry exchange, with several questions that were percolating in my mind for years since the show's ending. Within the span of a weekend, he responded, breaking up the answers into chunks. Unlike the previous exchange he didn't quote my questions so I'll screenshot my own questions to make his responses make better sense. He does mention his memory was fuzzy on details, so some of this should be taken with a few grains of salt, but either way, really interesting stuff found.

And just in case the screenshots are hard to read, I'll be quoting/summarizing them.

These are the questions I sent:

Received Friday, August 14th, 2026: This is the first half of his response

We'll break these into chunks to make it more digestible.

Question 1: The Rise of Scar

Starting off fairly simple here.

I asked Riley what inspired Season 2's story arc of Scar returning. The assumption that I had led to was that it was planned from the beginning given the scene in the pilot movie that showed Scar rising over a volcano. Spoilers, that assumption was... kinda right.

This was his response:

>The return of Scar was indeed part of the earliest development of The Lion Guard, and occurred to me shortly after I devised the "Roar" for Kion. The thinking was that if the Roar must be used with a pure heart and good intentions to summon the great lions of the past, perhaps using the Roar in anger could summon an evil lion of the past. In discussing the idea of having Kion being tricked into using the Roar to bring back Scar with (future Lion Guard staff writer) Krista Tucker, she encouraged me to make the return of Scar part of the leadup to Season 2 - before Season 1 had even been approved. Also, certain elements of The Lion Guard were inspired by one of my childhood's favorite animated series, "Battle of the Planets," which was the Americanized version of the Japanese Gatchaman series. There are some parallels between the members of the Lion Guard team and the G-Force team. Also, there is a parallel between the villain Zoltar and the Imperious Leader in "Battle of the Planets" with Janja and Scar. Suffice it to say, a lot of thought went into bringing back Scar.

So yes, Scar's return was the plan all along for the show. Even before the first season was approved. And it was very closely connected to the concept of the Roar of the Elders being realized, and the thought process behind it was eventually implemented into the special; Using the Roar of the Elders can summon evil lions as well as good.

The arc (and other parts of the show) were also inspired by "Battle of the Planets," a show that Riley was very fond of. So the team definitely had this in their back pocket for a long time.

Question 2: The Hyena "Family"

Oof, this one's gonna be interesting..

In November of 2015, Disney Junior released a promo covering many Lion King easter eggs that were present in the pilot movie, Return of the Roar. One of those easter eggs was the depiction of the hyena clan in the show being a callback to the clan in the movie. In the promo, Shenzi, Banzai, and Ed's clan are described as the "Lion King ancestors" of Janja and his clan. This led to a lot of speculation about the hyena "family tree." But most notably, this was not at all described in the series proper, nor did the hyena trio appear or get a mention in the series. So I brought this question to Ford.

This was his answer.

>I hadn't seen the Lion Guard promo that you linked to before it aired. So, whoever wrote it thought the hyenas in our show were related to the hyenas from the movie. But that wasn't something I intended. That said, Vargus Mason, the voice of Cheezi, always said he envisioned Cheezi as the son of Whoopi Goldberg's Shenzi character. So I think that informed his performance as Cheezi, but it was not something that showed up in the Lion Guard "show bible." As far as Shenzi, Banzai and Ed go, we decided that those hyenas perished with Scar in the fire at Pride Rock, or had run off, never to return. 

So the person behind that promo likely made an assumption, and hadn't been viewed by the writer before it aired. Janja's clan being the descendants of Shenzi's clan was not something that was intended for the series proper. The closest thing in correlation to this is Vargus Mason envisioning Cheezi as the son of Shenzi. However, again, this was not something that was conceptualized by the creative team, nor was it something within the series bible for the Lion Guard.

When asked about Shenzi, Banzai, and Ed in the series, and if there was a reason they didn't appear in the spin-off. The answer he gave was that the creatives opined that they either went down in the fire at Pride Rock, or ran away never to return.

This is why Janja's clan being relatives of Shenzi's clan was never once referenced in the show. Because it was never meant to be in the plot. This also means that all of those fan-theories of Shenzi, Banzai, and/or Ed being the parents of Janja, Cheezi, and/or Chungu were the simple consequence of someone making an assumption and implementing that assumption into a promotional video 😭😭😭

This doesn't necessarily kill those headcanons, but it does clear up the air. The hyena clans are not "canonically" related is what I'm saying.

It would've been cool to see Shenzi, Banzai, and Ed come back in the series, but at least there is some explanation for why that wasn't the case. And it definitely makes the Scar arc a lot more digestible in hindsight.

Question 3: The Final Season

Aaand I've opened Pandora's Box with this one lmao.

There are a total of 78 episodes in The Lion Guard. 72 half-hour episodes, and three double-length episodes, or one-hour specials (Return of the Roar, The Rise of Scar, and Battle for the Pride Lands). Season 1 consists of 28 episodes. Season 2 consists of 30 episodes. Season 3 consists of 20 episodes. With Season 3 being the shortest season of the series, I asked if that episode quantity was something that was always planned (since the story arc for the season played out the same way as it was pitched to the network), or if it was a network mandate.

His answer:

>Season 2 was longer than I wanted, and Season 3 was much shorter than I had hoped, but that was what Disney gave us. My hope was that Season 3 would be the journey to the Tree of Life, and Season 4 would cover Kion recovering from his scar, discovering the true power of the Roar, and building his relationship with Rani at the Tree of Life. But we were told Season 3 would be the end of the series when we received the greenlight. Not wanting to end the series on a "cliffhanger" of sorts, I decided to try and fit the two season story arc I had envisioned into the 20 episodes we were approved for.   

Season 2 being the longest season (28 episodes + 1 special) and Season 3 being the shortest season (18 episodes + 1 special) was the network's decision and not the writer's. Additionally, Ford had initially envisioned four seasons for the show;

In this vision, Season 3 would've centered entirely around the Lion Guard's journey to the Tree of Life after their battle with Scar. Season 4 would've covered the Lion Guard's stay at the Tree of Life, and the events that followed their arrival; including Kion recovering from his scar, mastering the Roar of the Elders, and building his relationship with Rani.

The team was informed that the show would end after Season 3 upon receiving the greenlight. To avoid ending the series on a cliffhanger, Season 3 and Season 4's story arcs were fit into the final 20 episodes of the series. The first half of Season 3 (the first 10 episodes) covered the series' third story arc: The journey to the Tree of Life. The second half of Season 3 (the last 10 episodes) covered the fourth story arc that was envisioned as its own season: The Tree of Life arc.

Which recontextualizes... so much about Season 3. For one, (and what I'm gonna say is pure speculation on my end), this could probably explain why the Night Pride's intended backstory never made it into the final episodes, since there wasn't enough time spent at the Tree of Life to explore it. This could also be the reason why Season 3a and Season 3b have different intros, because they were initially thought of as two different seasons. And finally, this could possibly explain why the the final episode Return to the Pride Lands wasn't a one-hour special. Because each season of the show only has one double-length episode. Previously, on August 21st, 2019, a screenshot of a fan's DM with Ford Riley stated that the finale is consisted of the final two episodes: Journey to the Pride Lands, and Return to the Pride Lands - both of which are 24 minutes long, slightly longer than the occassional 22 minutes, but not "double-episodes." He mentions "3" in paranthesis, unofficially including Triumph of the Roar in this collective. But either way, making the finale be consisted of multiple episodes instead of one long episode could've been compensation for not being able to do any more one-hour specials after using their free card with the premiere, Battle for the Pride Lands.

If the fourth story arc was its own season, the rule of "one special per season" could've been applied to the final episode.

Again, that particular bit is just my speculation but there is an insinuation to be had.

So the whole "Season 4 of The Lion Guard was supposed to happen" talking point is almost correct. Not in the sense that it was ever approved or considered by the network at some point before being "cancelled." It was envisioned by the creator, but never got off the ground. And the hypothetical "cut" fourth season wasn't going to be a continuation of the ending focusing around the Night Pride, Vitani's Lion Guard, the Tree of Life, or Kion and Rani's cubs. The closest thing we had to a fourth season of TLG was simply going to be Season 3b's plot spanning across an entire season, and it would've had the same ending that the final version of Season 3 had. But really interesting shit to think about.

And now the second half of Ford's response, the conclusion of the email exchange.

Received August 16th, 2026.

Question 4: Nuka's Absence

The two-part series finale, "Journey to the Pride Lands," and "Return to the Pride Lands" tie back into Simba's Pride, taking place after the film. However, one notable aspect is that Nuka is not mentioned at all. In Episode 19, Jasiri only mentions Kovu and Vitani when warning the Lion Guard of Zira's invasion. In Episode 20, Kovu informs the Lion Guard that Zira has completed her journey in the Circle of Life, but not Nuka. Later on in the final episode, Kiara, Kovu, and Rafiki narrate the events of Simba's Pride to the Lion Guard, but Nuka's death is not mentioned in the scene.

This led to years of speculation as to why this was not the case. Some suspected that the character's ommission had something to do with the listless controversies of his voice actor. Others wondered if mentioning the character's death would've been too tense for the young audiences.

I asked Ford what was up with Nuka's absence and he gave me an answer.

>Nuka not being mentioned in Journey and Return to the Pride Lands was the result of a network note stating that too many character names were mentioned in the dialogue, especially since these characters hadn't appeared in the show in years. (Keep in mind that we were in production before Disney+ existed, and "streaming" wasn't as prevalent as it is now.) Not mentioning Nuka was simply to make the dialogue and story less confusing and convoluted for our audience. Though obviously now it's more confusing that Nuka wasn't mentioned!

So the reason Nuka was snubbed in the finale was because of executive meddling a network mandate! According a note from the network, too many characters were mentioned in the dialogue, characters who hadn't appeared in the show in years, and thus would be unfamiliar with the audience. So Nuka was not mentioned or referenced in the last 2 episodes to avoid confusing the audience.

Riley admits that this was a double-edged sword, because now, the audience is even more confused by Nuka not being mentioned.

So the reason why Nuka was absolutely snubbed in the finale is because of network interference. Which still sucks; they dedicated the entire finale to "wrapping up loose ends" with SP, so not mentioning Nuka really short circuits that goal. But at least there is an answer for why he wasn't mentioned.

Question 4: Kion and Vitani's Endings

I asked Ford about the thought process behind the ending of the series, in which Kion concedes to Vitani, making her the new Lion Guard leader. This was his response.

>Vitani becoming the new leader of the Lion Guard was a concept that evolved during the course of the series. When I was first developing the series, I knew something would need to happen to Kion to justify his absence in Lion King 2. My instinct was that it was some sort of tragedy that was too painful for Simba, Kiara, etc., to acknowledge. After Return of the Roar premiered, I received considerable feedback from young viewers who all wanted Kion to become King of the Pride Lands. As you and I both know, this wouldn't be possible because of the events in Lion King 2. But that feedback set in motion the idea that Kion could become king somewhere else. You've seen how that idea played out in the series. In the end, I liked the idea that Kion's journey was complete, and he no longer needed the Roar. And buy giving it away, he truly became the master of the Roar. Themes of forgiveness and reconciliation for Vitani played into it as well. I also liked the idea of an all female Lion Guard - especially since, in nature, lionesses are the real hunters. That's some of the reasoning I had. The truth is that there were a lot of complex thoughts and reasons that there was a "new" Lion Guard with Vitani as leader. 

He largely mentions Kion and only briefly mentions Vitani at the end, but there's still some interesting "lore" he gives in his answer, in that it was an idea developed during the course of the show. When he first developed the series, he was fully aware that he would have to provide an explanation as to why Kion wasn't seen in Simba's Pride: Something would need to happen to him at the end of the show to justify his absence.

His first instinct was a tragedy too painful for Kion's family to acknowledge. But when Return of the Roar premiered, Riley had gotten considerable feedback from younger audiences that suggested otherwise. According to him, many kids who watched The Lion Guard wanted Kion to become King of the Pride Lands! This canonically could not happen. In the second half of Simba's Pride, Simba is still the king, and Kiara is still the Crown Princess. Kion becoming the next King couldn't happen.

However, the feedback inspired the idea that Kion could still become King. Not in the Pride Lands, but elsewhere. This led to the realization of the final story arc, in which Kion leaves the Pride Lands in search of the Tree of Life, and eventually marries Rani and becomes the co-ruler. So Kion's ending was inspired by feedback from the show's young demographic, in a sense.

Eventually he mentions Vitani, stating that themes of "forgiveness and reconcilliation" inspired Vitani's arc in the final episode - presumably referencing her redemption in the movie that the finale expands upon. He saw the merit in an all female Lion Guard. He states that there were a lot of "complex thoughts and reasons" for this plot-point but this was the one he gave. I wasn't willing to pry for anymore answers from that, but this does give an interesting perspective.

I haven't particularly made my feelings on the ending of the show a secret. I... don't like it. I think it lacked set-up, and it didn't feel like a coherent conclusion of his character given how he was created specifically to explore the notion that he wouldn't become King (and him getting a love-interest being the whole focus of the ending undermined the show). I also think the plot-point of Vitani becoming the new Lion Guard leader wasn't executed well, both due to lack of set-up and because of how, in my opinion, the characters in that episode were lacking agency (the concept was good, but the execution.... meh). But with that said, it's interesting knowing why this decision came to be, even if I don't agree with it.

And to be frank, as unsatisfied as I was with the ending, I probably would've been moreso if it ended on a tragedy. The Lion Guard going on a journey outside of the Pride Lands felt like a much more natural explanation of their absence in Lion King 2. And I'm ESPECIALLY glad that Kion did not become King of the Pride Lands. Beyond breaking continuity with the second movie, it would've done both him and Kiara's characters a huge disservice and would've been too similar to the ending first movie. I still think the ending could've been written much better - either provide more of a set-up to Kion's rise and the Lion Guard leaving the Tree of Life, or simply end with the Lion Guard returning to the Pride Lands. But it at least had a positive note to it, and was interesting in of itself.

Question 6: The Lion King 3

Disclaimer: The word "canon" is used in this exchange. All r/lionking users tread carefully.

No characters from The Lion King 1½ (or The Lion King 3: Hakuna Matata for those of you who use the metric system) appear in the show. Timon's mother is mentioned in Beware the Zimwi and makes cameo in a Lion Guard book, but other than that, no "official" appearance. Since characters from the first and second film appear in the show, I wondered why none from the third movie appeared, or if it was ever considered, and I brought that curiosity to Ford.

His answer

>When I first started developing The Lion Guard, I was told that Lion King 3 and the Timon & Pumbaa TV series weren't necessarily Lion King cannon, and I shouldn't think too much about those stories. So I didn't. And as far as I can recall, no writer pitched stories involving Timon's Ma, Uncle Max from Lion King 3, or Quint from the Timon & Pumbaa TV series.  

The showrunner was informed that neither the third movie, nor the first cartoon show, Timon & Pumbaa were canon, so he shouldn't think too much about those stories. So because of this, Timon's family from TLK 3 and Quint from the T&P show did not appear.

Note: I... didn't ask him anything about the Timon and Pumbaa cartoon, nor did I ever mention Quint. He probably mentioned it since he himself worked on the first cartoon.

Hearing that the third movie isn't canon to the show breaks my heart in two, but I guess it tracks on some level. Still though, Ma and Max are technically Bunga's relatives, so it would've been so cute to see an episode where they meet. Even though they likely would've recasted the characters (Julie Kavner working on The Simpsons and Jerry Stiller's retirement in his old age). Ideally I would've loved to have seen the TLK 3 cast get their own guest episode like the TLK 2 ones did, and then in the finale, the returning cast of SP and HK all show up together to wrap the series up in a nice bow.

Once again... try to behave with the "canon" mention.... I know what y'all are....

Question 7: Production Time

The final question was how much time it took to make each season. The Lion Guard started production in February of 2012, and wrapped up production on July of 2019. A total of 7 years' worth of work dedicated into the 78 episodes that went into the series. I wanted to know how long each season individually took to make.

His answer:

>Season 1 of the Lion Guard started pre-production in August 2013. The last episode of Season 1 was delivered in November 2016. Season 2 started pre-production in September 2015, and the last episode was delivered in May 2018. Season 3 started pre-production in September 2016, and the final episode was delivered in July 2019. Obviously there was lots of overlap. For example, there was a stretch where we were writing Season 3 while Season 1 was in post-production and Season 2 was being storyboarded. But this was pretty normal, and desirable, for TV animation at the time. We wanted our creative team to be able to keep working on the show, with as little time on hiatus as possible. 

Season 1 of TLG started pre-production in August 2013 and the season finale was delivered to the network in November 2016. A rough timeline of a year and 3 months.

Season 2 of TLG started pre-production in September 2015. The season finale was delivered in May of 2018. A rough timeline of 2 and a half years.

Season 3 of TLG started pre-production in September 2016. The series finale was delivered in July 2019 (specifically July 19th, 2019; The same day the live-action remake came out in theaters). Almost three years.

He mentions that there was a significant overlap in between the making of these seasons, such as them writing Season 3 whilst Season 1 was in post-production and Season 2 was being storyboarded. This is not uncommon in production of an animated series, and it's done to keep the creative team working on the show with, in his words "as little time on hiatus as possible."

I find it all really fascinating. The most fascinating about this however, is the fact that Season 2 was wrapped up in summer of 2018. It was delivered to the network in May of 2018, and a Mercury Filmworks post announced the season's completion in June of that year. This was interesting to me because the final four episodes of Season 2 aired in January-April in 2019.

I went back and checked those episodes' end-credits. Usually the end of closing credits of an episode will show the copyright date to that episode, when it was finished and delivered to the network. And lo and behold, the last four episodes, including the Season 2 finale, are dated "2018." The network calls the shots on when the episodes come out, so this tracks. Personally, I think it would've made more sense to for Disney Junior to air the final episodes of Season 2 at the end of 2018 (likely November 2018), and then go on a 9 month hiatus until Season 3, so that the viewership of the show wouldn't have suffered as much, but I digress.

To provide an example, here are the end-credits of Season 2, Episode 30 \"Fire From the Sky\" in which the Disney Enterprises Inc. copyright dates the episode to 2018.

Aand that was it. This was definitely quite the long post but I hope it was worth it for some insightful facts about this show, and some longtime questions finally getting answers after 7 years of the show's ending (and on the anniversary of the finale's release). Which Q&A surprised you the most? I imagine a lot of people will be surprised with some of the info shared here.

Anyways, if you read this far, have a cookie. 🍪

Hopefully this'll be a good addition to the Lion Guard crumbs we've been getting from Christian Larcoque's YouTube channel, and a nice in-between appetizer before the main course of the big "Creation of Kion" video next week. Toodles!

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u/KrattBoy2006 — 1 month ago

Pals of Poa - Art by Tango.GoFizzle

Purchased this artwork from tango.gofizzle. [Follow on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/tango.gofizzle/]

Beshte, (A.K.A. "Poa") meeting his tundra friends at the Tree of Life. Social gatherings is this guy's strong suit.

In my headcanon, polar bears and penguins live in separate habitats at the Tree of Life. The show implies that they're neighbors but I find that... stupid. Beyond how lazy it is to take the two most well known "snow" animals and lump them into the same environment and handwave it as a "tundra," I also felt that it undercuts the whole point of the Tree of Life; That every habitat lives there. Lumping two habitats together and throwing their respecitve fauna into a blender makes the kingdom feel much smaller and less interesting than it could've been. This isn't the only example of the "throw it into a blender" style of worldbuilding we see in Season 3b, but it's definitely the most noticeable.

So I'm retconning that entirely. In my fanon, there is a "North Pole" and a "South Pole" at the Tree of Life. Basically the equivalent of two different neighborhoods miles away from each other in the same city. The polar bears and penguins can visit each other when they please, but they don't live near each other, nor do they take part in each other's food chains.

And to address the elephant [seal] in the room. Originally I wanted to retcon Taangagim into a southern elephant seal, to give the idea that Pinguino's rookery's habitat is meant to be the equivalent of the Antarctic rather than being some hybrid of the North and South Pole that the canon show implies - because southern elephant seals also live near the South Pole and co-exist with penguins. However, I then learned that Taangagim is Aleut for "bear." With Binga, keeping her name whilst retconning her species into a sloth bear was something that I could choke down. However, with Taangagim, his name literally reflected his species! So that backed me into a corner and I had to KEEP him as a polar bear. But I still wanted to address the fact that the penguins' habitat was an Antarctica-equivalent to some degree. So instead the southern elephant seal became his own OC character, done to further establish the setting.

Meet Khobot, a southern elephant seal. Much like many animals, he is an immigrant at the Tree of Life and calls it his home, and gets along well with the penguins and the visiting Arctic fauna. He catches wind of Poa's many exploits in helping the animals of the Tree of Life, which leads to a very friendly first encounter as shown here. How does an elephant seal travel from Antarctica to the Indian subcontinent? Simple. He flew there - Remember that two eagles canonically lifted a fucking adult lion in TLG, so I think an entire flock of large avians could theoretically do the same thing to a seal.

Khobot's name is "Russian" for "Proboscis." If you're wondering why I used a Russian name, it's because Antarctica, according to my research, has no native language. Russian is one of the most commonly spoken languages there so I decided to opt for that. The fun thing about making so many non-lion Tree of Life OCs is that you'll never run out of unique creative names.

Once again, go follow the artist who I commissioned this artwork from: Tango.gofizzle.

u/KrattBoy2006 — 1 month ago
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More early Lion Guard production footage from Christian Larocque, with the hyenas being Jackals

u/Abyssal_Shadows — 1 month ago
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Our first piece of animation for the original plan of The Lion Guard.

I almost thought this was AI.

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u/1571_ — 1 month ago

Weight Lifted - Art by Rickymansonic

Commissioned from Rickymansonic on Instagram (since he publically posted it as a link, I'm gonna share it as such).

Years of patrolling the Tree of Life has naturally led to Rani's sleep schedule being messed up, making her frequently fatigued during the daydespite having many duties to attend to as Queen. Luckily, Kion is able to lift that weight off of her shoulders... by lifting her onto his.

In one of the slides, Kion has white sclera. This was per my request since my "version" of his design recycles his white sclera from concept art, test animation and promos released prior to Return of the Roar. I think it stands out more among his design.

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u/KrattBoy2006 — 1 month ago
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Weight Lifted - Art by Rickymansonic

Commissioned from Rickymansonic on Instagram.

https://www.instagram.com/rickymansonic_tlk.art/

Frequently patrolling the Tree of Life at night can fuck up one's sleep cycle, which can be especially inconvenient for daytime routines. Luckily, the Queen of the Tree of Life has someone to alleviate the stress and lift the burden off of her.

Kion loves his sleepy wife so much.

u/KrattBoy2006 — 1 month ago
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The Old Sage

This artwork was commissioned from artist mantykukka! for $70. The artist's style is more akin to the original Lion King film than The Lion Guard, hence why Makini and Fuli's proportions are more evened out than they are in the series - Fuli's tear stripes were my choice however. The background is from the show itself.

This is an upcoming scene in Chapter 41 of my fanfic, Roar Towards the Future, in which Makini and Fuli use the Bakora staff to speak to Kongwe in order to get advice on how to protect the Tree of Life from a huge threat. In this story, Makini discovers the ability to speak to spirits of non-lion animals. Unlike the Lions of the Past, the entities are blue spirits and appear on the ground itself, as you can see here with Kongwe's ghost. That particular chapter won't be published for a long time (I'm still working on Chapter 31 - should hopefully be out in between now and next month). but I've started drafting it ahead of itme just to give myself a head start.

In my headcanon, Kongwe passed away whilst the Lion Guard was looking for the Tree of Life. She was one of several animals that contributed to the battle against Scar, who didn't live long enough to see the Guard return to the Pride Lands after they were healed. Almost two years later, in this scene, she is summoned by Makini and Fuli, who are more than ecstatic to see their old friend again.

Once again, a shout-out to the artist, mantykukka. Give them a follow!

u/KrattBoy2006 — 1 month ago

LGBT Headcanons

Some of these were ripped from a post of mine on the other sub, but might as well share.

u/KrattBoy2006 — 1 month ago
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Roar Towards the Future: Badala Refsheet

This refsheet was commissioned from RedTheLioness on Deviantart for $50. Badala is one of the two main antagonists of the first story arc of my fanfiction Lion Guard sequel, Roar Towards the Future.

Badala is one of the agents responsible for the deaths of King Sãhasí and Queen Ãnanda. Her role in the invasion was for her and her family to infiltrate the Tree of Life and gain the trust of the royal family in order to get close enough to them and give intel to the tigers' superior, Mrtyu (an asiatic buffalo, this is important). Badala, only a teenager at the time, (15 human years old), "befriended" the young twins Rani and Baliyo (8 human years old), as well as their friends, which gave her the closest amount of access to the royals and enough info to relay the information to Mrtyu.

Her betrayal was revealed to the twins when she took part in Mrtyu's attack on the Tree of Life and helped her kill the King and Queen. Despite this, the attackers were forced to flee by Queen Janna and her allies before they could destroy the Tree of Life and its inhabitants. In the end, only Badala and Mrtyu survived, unbeknownst to anyone else. Mrtyu "adopted" Badala and the two of them rebuilt their army, the "Dhara Mrtyu." In Mrtyu's old age, Badala took control of the Dhara Mrtyu, and conspired multiple schemes to expand the army across Eurasia in order to destroy the Tree of Life in her adoptive mother's name.

On top of her strength, size, and stamina, Badala has a skill unique to tigers, allowing her to stun or even paralyze her opponents with her roar.

Throughout Part 1 of Roar Towards the Future, she's made multiple schemes against the Night Pride and the Tree of Life, taking advantage of the inexperience of its young rulers as well as that of the kingdom's new Lion Guard. She's also responsible for the trauma that made Rani and Baliyo hyperviglient and overprotective (hence their initial antagonism towards Kion and the Lion Guard), having violated and betrayed their trust in such a damaging way when they were at such a young age that left them with mental and emotional scars that follow them into adulthood. Eventually, the tides will turn in the tigress' favor when her army discovers a method to steal a piece of the Tree of Life's magic to weaponize for their nefarious schemes... as well as getting some allies on the inside.

At the end of Season 1, Badala will encounter Queen Rani for the first time in 10 years. Vengeance will be taken, but it's just a matter of when and how...

NOTES:

  • Badala's name translates to "revenge" in Hindi.
  • My voice-canon for her is Faye Mata (the English voice actress of Kagami Tsurugi from Miraculous).
  • I initially wanted there to be waaayy more scars in her design but I ultimately decided to opt for the claw marks on her face just for simplicity's sake and to keep her design from looking too "edgy."
  • To pre-empt any guesses, no, she is NOT the one to give Rani the scar on her foreleg. I'm saving that for a twist reveal. And I'm also not revealing where Badala got her facial claws. Both answers will be in Chapter 35 that's a flashback episode.
  • Badala's ability to paralyze animals with her roar is based on an actual skill tigers have IRL. Tigers produce sounds in a very low range (ones that we can't hear) that can paralyze prey. The fic sorta exaggerates this for dramatic effect, but learning about this one fact was what convinced me to create this character in the first place. It reminded me of the Roar of the Elders and it seemed like such an interesting thing to explore in this universe. Some stories and characters just write themselves.

If you saw my shitty sketch of this that I posted a year ago, no the fuck you didn't.

Because of Reddit's shitty updates, I can only use one embedded link: So for those wanting to read Roar Towards the Future, here's the link: https://archiveofourown.org/works/46958152?view_full_work=true

As per usual, I'll disclaim that this is very fucking long (300K words so far...) so you should probably grab a food or drink, and play something off-tab:

Part 1 of 6 has 12 chapters left. I initially wanted Chapters 20-29 to be released last year and for the remaining 13 chapters of Part 1 to be released this year, but... college and burn-out continue to be my worst nemesis. I've only gotten two chapters out this year and am working on Chapter 31 at the moment. At the rate I'm going and assuming all goes well, the final chapter (of Part 1, not of the entire work), is expected for a 2027 release. Fingers crossed!

Once again, credit to the artist, RedTheLioness for the commission!

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u/KrattBoy2006 — 2 months ago
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The Lion Guard: Return of the Roar will return to Disney Junior on Wednesday, August 19th, 2026

So I saw someone on Twitter say this, and when I asked for a source, they gave this: - https://disney-junior-broadcast-archives.fandom.com/wiki/August_19,_2026

Which was interesting enough on its own, but… just to be absolutely certain, I decided to go further and checked my TV Guide, scrolling to 8/19 (August 19th). I had enough reason to doubt this claim, but I knew this method was the surefire way of providing any smoking gun to said claim.

And yup, it’s apparently legit. Disney Junior will be re-running Return of the Roar on August 19th, at 2:15 P.M. Central Standard Time. Right before an airing of the original Lion King movie.

This will be the first time that the show has aired on television since December 2019, when reruns were pulled from the network almost two months after the series finale aired on November 3rd, 2019.

No other episodes have been shown to be rerunning this month, and the schedule after 7:00 P.M. of 8/19/2026 says TBA. So I’ll have to wait until later this week or next week to see, but so far, that’s the only episode that will be returning to Disney Junior.

In similar news, Disney Junior is doing a 24/7 livestream of Season 1 of The Lion Guard on YouTube in honor of the 10th anniversary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLm79RPFDaQ

I assume that the rerun of Return of the Roar is also done in honor of the decennial. There’s no other explanation, especially when both of these occurrences are happening in the same month, two weeks apart.

And if this IS the case, then I just want to say…

I FUCKING CALLED IT!

u/KrattBoy2006 — 2 months ago
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Lyrical Foreshadowing in "We Will Defend"

Since today's the 7th anniversary of the Season 3 premiere of The Lion Guard, "Battle for the Pride Lands" here's a fun fact: The opening song of the season, "We Will Defend" has lyrical foreshadowing; In the background of the song's second-verse, the Lion Guard chorus sings "Moja Kwa Moja" and "Tuliza." This foreshadows the Moja Kwa Moja stones and the Tuliza flowers, both of which are introduced in the second half of the episode and play a major role in Season 3's story arc.

This was something I caught onto pretty early, when Season 3 was still relatively "recent" (I think I was like, 13, or 14, when I noticed this on a rewatch). But for years, I noticed a lot of people did not comment on this at all, so I saw fit to make my overanalysis of a children's show, everyone's problem! :))

u/KrattBoy2006 — 2 months ago
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Duties of the Night Pride (Commissioned from Rickymansonic)

Here is an art-piece that I commissioned this weekend from a very talented artist, Rickymansonic. I already posted the art itself AS a link, but I'm gonna go the extra mile and link to their page as well: Here!

This is essentially a scene in an upcoming chapter of Roar Towards the Future; a "montage" of the Night Pride helping out the different animals at the Tree of Life during their night patrol. I like this scene, I think it reallly humanizes all four members and gives us more of an insight into their day-to-day lives (or... night-to-night? 😭) compared to the Lion Guard's.

Panel 1 shows Surak helping a baby aye-aye out of a thorn bush. Panel 2 shows Baliyo saving a spider monkey by carrying him whilst swimming across the river. Panel 3 is Nirmala giving advice to a striped hyena, and Panel 4 is Rani with a gila monster she just rescued.

This story mostly follows the logic of the show hence the presence of non-lion animals at the Tree of Life that are not native to Africa, nor India (...ironically enough the striped hyena is the only animal in this piece that is native to BOTH, but I digress).

Panel 4 is definitely my favorite, but that's mostly because I fucking love gila monsters and wanted to depict one in this universe - that and I wanted to feature a positive portrayal of venomous animals in this story as an inverse to TLG largely depicting them as villainous. You can tell this was VERY self-indulgent and shamelessly so, but I stand by it. Beyond that, the Tree of Life is said to be home to endangered animals, which gila monsters very much are (unfortunately), so it also just managed to fit lore-wise. I also just love Rani's big toothy grin compared to the gila's small smile, I think the differences in the same expression really power this scene's niceness. And Rani's scar being as visible as it is makes this entire thing come together neatly.

Anyways, hope y'all enjoyed, and once again, credit goes to the artist, Rickymansonic!

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u/KrattBoy2006 — 3 months ago
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Long Live the Queen should've been the episode where they became adults.

The meta reason for why Kion doesn't age any further in the show is because of network demand. Which at the vwry least explains this but doesn't excuse it in my eyes. NOt having him or any of the other main characters age into adults in the final episode was a serious misstep:

A) A big part of Season 3 is supposed to be about the characters growing up: which could've been explored beyond the premiere episode, and would've been an interesting story that finalizes the development of every main character and speaks to the show's target audience in a story-driven moral about growing up, but is mostly squandered by the misplaced focus and character bloat.

B) There is an evident time jump between the premiere and the finale in which Kiara, Mtoto, and Ona are all affected, which raises the question as to why this passage of time never affected the Guard. If they were gonna remain teens there at last could've been some changes in the model to indicate they were older teens that weren't yet adults instead of implying that they remained stagnant(?). Either that or everyone aged rapidly ahead of time?

C) If the show was always going to end around Kion

getting married... why have him be the equivalent of a 16 year old? Those two things don't mesh well and again, given who this show is aimed at, I do not know what takeaway is supposed to be had from this. Ideally I would've had this show not touch romance or shipping fuel at all (because it sucked) but if they were going to do it anyways, they really shot themselves in the foot here.

The Season 3 premiere aging up the characters worked because it established a change in the status quo, indicating that the Scar arc would come to an end and a new one would begin. So in a scenario where the Guard become adults in Season 3, something similar would need to be done, where we see another timeskip to represent a big change in trajectory for the current arc.

Long Live the Queen would be the perfect episode for that. It would set the tone and establish that the Lion Guard helping the Night Pride defend the Tree of Life from Makucha and Mama Binturong was an ongoing thing tbat happened. It better gives off the idea that Kion's healing and his bonding with Rani took a long time (which would make the "It happened off screen" defense much more palpable, not an actual defense but easier to digest). It also gives more logic to the story because giving a second time skip to Season 3. It would give enough time for Mama Binturong’s reinforcements managed to arrive at the Tree of Life, and for Jasiri & Janja to be only a day behind them within that allotted time. And Janna dying was already a brilliantly handled story, but a second time skip would have further added to the whole point of her death being natural from age.

It would've had way less implications with Kion and Rani's wedding in the finale (although it still would've sucked and been contradictory in the direction they were headed and with how it was handled) but more importantly, it would have been cool to see how the adult versions of Kion's Guard would be like as adults, how their personalities change and how their interpersonal dynamics are affected, and see that come into play for the finale.

u/KrattBoy2006 — 3 months ago