Islam Liberal

Tentu saja teman teman disini kebanyakan anti islam dan mungkin anti muslim yaitu anti bukan lagi ke Islam sebagai ide, tetapi ke muslim sebagai manusia yang percaya islam

Whatever the case aku gak mau bahas itu tetapi bahas ke sesuatu hal yang lain, Islam Liberal

Okay akan menyebutkan suatu deskripsi yang menjadi kontradiksi dan mungkin membuat islamis tradisionalis ala muhammadiyah, NU dan MUI kejang kejang, ataupun ex muslim seperti kita langsung planga plongo denger

Aku dulu punya teman lesbian transgender mtf polyamorous Liberal muslim....

Dan dari dia.... Aku sebagai ex muslim.... Kinda belajar, bahwa tidak ada yang namanya agama yang fix

Tentu saja kita semua punya alasan masing masing kenapa kita meninggalkan agama islam, entah karena meresa dikengkang, merasa teologi nya tidak logis maupun merasa agama terlalu kaku

Tetapi, karena beliau tadi, aku belajar sedikit bahwa agama pun tidak luput dari kritik internal, diantara para muslim, ada yang secara sadar tidak sadar, tau bahwa sebenarnya ada kontradiksi dan kekonyolan tersendiri kalau islam dipraktikkan as is tanpa modifikasi, tetapi beberapa benar benar hampir cabut dari islam, tetapi tetap teguh terhadap islam

Mengapa? Karena mau gak mau, not everyone bisa hidup di dunia tanpa Tuhan, tak perlu dibahas kenapa tapi mari fokus ke Islam Liberal

Islam Liberal, islam unik yang bisa dibilang "pasca islam" Tetapi tidak patah dari islam

Ya mereka syahadah

Ya mereka percaya quran (and sometimes hadith tapi mereka lebih selektif, terlalu selektif imho)

Ya mereka percaya allah meskipun terkadang tidak murni 100% monotheisme

Ya percaya Muhammad nabi terakhir tetapi interpretasi tradisionalis ditantang

Jika islam standard melihat LGBTQ sebagai "penyimpangan" Islam Liberal berkata bahwa islam adalah rahmat yang membolehkan LGBTQ

Jika islam standard berkata pernikahan adalah absolut, islam Liberal berkata yang penting ada syarat syarat nikah, konfigurasi kya terserah

Jika islam standard berkata Perempuan harus mengikuti laki laki, islam Liberal berkata, Perempuan sama rata boleh juga jadi iman

Hal hal ini justru membuat kita pusing, karena kita sendiri secara de facto berasal dari islam standar, alias islam "moderate tapi kw yang bisa tiba tiba jadi fundamentalis kalau didorong sama hal konyol kek lgbtq" Melihat islam Liberal seperti melihat agama baru yang memakai nama islam

Still

Sebagai ex mus aku lumayan tertarik dengan mereka, no gua gak akan ambil syahadah tetapi gua tertarik dengan islam Liberal karena mereka secara dasar mematahkan suatu hal sakral dalam islam

Yaitu bahwa hanya ada satu islam yang benar

Muhammadiyah NU Oke lah gak ada bedanya... Cuma masalah beda tipis

Oke 4 mardzab bisa dibilang satu aliran

Oke Shia dan Sunni secara teknis dasar dasar nya masih sama

Tapi Islam Liberal? Anjai, beda banget, jika dulu di Indonesia sholat pake celana pendek aja dibilang ajaran sesat, islam Liberal yang se radical itu sesat kali berapa

Jika ditarik garis asal muasalnya, islam Liberal hampir 100% berasal dari Eropa atau Amerika dimana immigrant muslim mengalami akulturasi dengan nilai nilai Western terutama dengan progresivisme

Islam disana punya dua jalan

A.Akulturasi dan menjadi Euro-America in spirit but not in aesthetic

B.Double down segregasi de facto

Islam Liberal ialah yang memilih jalan A, hal ini punya implikasi sosiologis yang bisa dibilang..... Agak besar.... Karena kita melihat buku IPS sedang dibuat, akulturasi proses penyampuran dua budaya menjadi satu, biasanya cuma diajarkan sebagai proses sejarah yang telah "selesei" Bahwa apa yang ada sekarang merupakan finalitas

Tetapi sejarah tidak pernah berhenti, kita sedang melihat proses sejarah berlangsung, pertanyaan nya adalah, apakah proses sejarah ini menjadi sesuatu hal viable... Atau cuma catatan kaki

Aku sih, secara personal berharap, jika emang agama tidak bisa mati, minimal menjadi

A.Culturalisme Aesthetic

B.Liberalisasi

Aku sendiri lumayan banyak belajar teologi pembebasan Kristiani karena teman teman kiri dari Amerika Latin kebanyakan merupakan Katolik/Kristen, teman online dari Europe juga sama kebanyakan Kristen Liberal atau Kristen Ateist yang sudah merajalela meskipun mendapat tantangan dari Kristen fundamentalist dan Fascisme/Neo Nazi di Eropa

Still, sebagai ex mus, islam Liberal berada pada posisi aneh

1.jika dikatakan bukan islam sejati, malah jatuhnya no true scotsman

2.jika dikatakan sesat, ya wong kita aja bukan islam gak bisa nge judge

3.aneh emang aneh, tetapi di Eropa jumlah nya terus bertambah karena generasi immigrant ketiga biasanya sudah terasimilasi

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u/LanangHussen — 2 days ago

Chinese Model is Actually GOOD?

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I am someone who often lurk in r/ClaudeAIJailbreak and r/Bard im a Fanfic AO3 writter who often use AI to help me brainstorm and or correct my English Grammar or expanding my draft

My current set up is usually something like this

Make incredibly Complicated Ruleset forbidding typical AI-ism, ie the three contrast, its not x its y, EM DASH and so on, my CSS+HTML formatting for AO3

Put the rule in any LLM, upload my Long ass Lore Book and previous chapter

Create a draft that is 80-90% complete

Put that draft into LLM

wait for it

The LLM spewed fully formatted css and html

One last human audit by myself to annihilate AI-ism that bleeds and correcting hallucination Lore

this is simplification because my Actual rule is....100 ish line long, using triple process of Multiple Model on CLI and Antigravity, but eh, this is not a showcase of tool but rather, my experience with LLM model and my intial suprise that chinese model is...good????

For a while by now

I was model jumping

but most western model...seems to start to get incredibly robotic

I have tried ChatGPT 5.5 on Xhigh, passable but god forbid you wrote anything remotely NSFW, it sound like essay and it refuse to wrote any paragraph

Sonnet 4.6 Will yap extremely long, but its sound more like an essay, incredibly awkard, not worth it

Opus 4.6 Yappatron 9000 there is a point where the prose is good but too many of good thing will slowly become pain to read

Gemini 3.1 Pro Truncating master that refused to spew anything longer than 500 word, Its prose is basic but atleast ITS LOOK AND FEEL like a story, but its refuse anything above 500 word

Gemini 3.5 Flash Okay, suprisingly okay, like 3.1 Pro its prone to truncation but if you told it to wrote 3000 word story...ITS WILL wrote 3000 word story, my only problem with Gemini model, its inconsistent quality, one day i feel like my partner is NYT best seller novellist, other time its feels like im talking to mentally handicapped schizophrenic who are given the knowledge of the entire human history, also...Gemini Web is dogshit and buggy while Antigravity despite my history of praising it can hick up once in a while

So since yesterday i have been entertaining myself to change boat to Chinese Model, i heard many thing about it specially on r/ClaudeAIJailbreak Sub several people claimed its good for writting compared to modern western model

And then i heard about the CommandCode 1 dollar subscription and i decided to jump boat to try some model before i commit

TLDR i should have jump sooner

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for the last 5 hour i have been testing model in CommandCode i was able to use DeepSeek and Mimo V2.5 Pro rather generously and was able to get 13K word fic for the last 5 hour or so, im pretty sure I CAN managed my credit more efficiently but for now, i was suprised at the quality AND quantity

this is not just me copy pasted my draft, i went back and forth with model, ask it to find needle in the heystack ie find obscure thing that happened in my story, find a precise lore, ask it to search web for inspiration, edit and adjust my CSS workskin and so on

Now since the rule said i shouldnt share my tool in dedicated thread, nah we will skip how i set it up

But my point of discussion is

Chinese model...is good

Its prose is vivid, imaginative, not robotic, if i dont leash it, its will produce a very creative scenario even without my input, its follow my rules to a T, and somehow, will consult my worldbuilding files if its want to do something without my input,

For now i have been testing

DeepSeek V4 Pro, DeepSeek V4 Flash, Mimo V2.5 and Mimo v2,5 Pro

I ended up vibing with this 4 model because its discounted and the fact of 1 M context...that is massive, one thing i found notable is that for me atleast, most AI will degenerate past 256K context, for Chinese model specially Mimo that is not the case, Deepseek will struggle, but its will somewhat have 70% chance of actually finding what i asked in my multi file worldbuilding source, Mimo again for odd reason seems to work just fine with long context its will hallucinate but its wont be like Gemini 3 Series 1 M context where technically there is 1 M context but good luck anything pas 200K token, DeepSeek and Mimo still struggle a bit, but in my hour testing, its more competent than Gemini

i also feel strange sense of dejavu

Its open secret that Chinese model distill claude model, while Anthropic give middle finger to Claude old personality and throw it in the thrash for the recent release ie Sonnet 4.6-5, Opus 4.7/4.8 atleast on the web interface, i heard several good thing about Fable, but im not interested in Bankrupting myself

Chinese Model specially those 4, while indeed doesnt have quite the personality of Sonnet 4-4.5 or Opus 4-4.5, its writting do indeed mimic those model rather brilliantly, which is suprising for me, my initial experience chinese model...is deepseek v3 when its got viral, at first my reaction is simple MEH, Sonnet at that time was able to steamroll anything with generous quota, but now its seems to be the oppossite

The chinese model have landed on something interesting for writter like me

A.Its Dirt Cheap
B.Its Prose is Near old Sonnet and Opus

Its something that chinese have history of doing, Look at Something, try to make it cost effective by making it dirt cheap with acceptable quality, somehow become a viable alternative

somewhat modern Chinese LLM have done exactly that

My experience with Chinese Model for the last hour have been nothing more than stellar, specially for my workflow where i need AI to polish my work, im probably will jump boat to Chinese LLM for my writting moving forward,

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u/LanangHussen — 4 days ago