"What level of beginner can/should start NSM?"

I have this question myself, and I tried to find answers in the book/reddit threads but didn't find a definitive answer. I'm posting this in the form of an answer to summarize what I have found and show that I wasn't being lazy. BUT I am not an NSM expert and I will accept any corrections.

TLDR: If you are not running at least 4.5 hours a week, spread across 6 days of the week, you are not the kind of "beginner" that people in these spaces are talking about.

What is NSM?

Briefly, because the OPs of other threads asking this question dont even seem to know:

The Norwegian Singles Method is a training structure targeted at runners spending 6-8 hours per week on running. The canonical form also assumes you run everyday of the week.

The "selling point" of NSM is that it will allow you to make the most of this "limited" running time, while allowing you to repeat the same structure (with minor variations), week after week with no "boom and bust" cycles.

Is it for beginners?

Some people will say yes, but in running, "beginner" is a very broad term.

I suspect this has to do with the recent rise in the popularity of running. Some people think 15 miles a week is "solid", while experts in the field are making videos like "How to get good while running 40 miles a week" becuase 40 is considered low. But I digress

NSM is made to make the most out of a "limited" 6-8 hours per week. For perspective, a C25K finisher is running 1.5 hours per week, of all easy volume. NSM is targeted at people running 4x that volume and are physically capable of running more, but cannot due to logistics/desire rather than durability.

In the book (link removed because that seems to be a problem), there is no "are you ready for NSM?" checklist. There is a 4.5 hour / week schedule, that he describes as a "gateway" to canonical NSM. That routine has 3 speed sessions, and 3 easy runs, one of which is a long easy run.

Answer: NSM is not for "beginners" in the colloquial sense of the word "beginner". Its for serious novices

If you aren't running at least 4.5 hours per week, on 6 runs per week, you need to work up to that first to even begin incorporating the 2.5 speed sessions described in the "gateway" plan.

You need to be advanced enough to look at 4 consecutive days where you do a Speed^(tm) day, a long run day, an easy run day, and yet another speed day and consider that "easy" day the recovery period between your long run and the next speed day.

If you are a true beginner who fell into the NSM discussions, you should aim to get to 6 easy runs per week, including an easy long run. And then incorporate "half of a speed day" as described in the gateway plan of the book into one of the runs out of 6. And then turn 3 of the 6 days into those "half speed" days, and then begin turning those 3 days into the real sub threshold speed days.

A lot of the threads you see amongst novice/intermediate runners in spaces discussing NSM are amongst people who ran out of time in the week to do "standard" polarized training.

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u/LejonBrames117 — 7 days ago

Puma Deviate Nitro 2: Suitable for Mt Whitney when snow is all gone?

Many people on the facebook group for the Mt Whitney Trail are saying the Hoka Speedgoats are what they take to Mt Whitney.

The SpeedGoats are an actual trail shoe, but after looking at reviews I dont think its a particularly special/well revered one. My guess is that Hoka is just very popular amongst "normal" people who aren't subscribed to a reddit about running shoes lol, and the takeaway is that Mt Whitney is do-able in trail runners

The Puma DN2 were reviewed as "almost a trail shoe". Runrepeat and the run testers all say something along the lines of "more than enough for light trail duties"

But what if I wanted to take them to Mt Whitney? Snow and Ice will not be a factor.

Does anyone own the Puma DN2 and can tell me if theres a big gap in trail-ability between "almost a trail shoe" and an actual trail shoe?

Or, by long shot, has anyone done Mt Whitney in Puma Deviate Nitro 2 or another non-trail running shoe?

The facebook thread at least confirms that trail running shoes in general are sufficient for Mt Whitney, which is well travelled and the path well-kept. So if people can help confirm/deny that the DN2 is pretty much a trail shoe (or not) that would be great.

Hopefully this is ok to post. Its not breaking any of the 7 rules, but I realize its a bit off topic. In my defense, this is r/AskRunningShoeGeeks and this is something best answered by running shoe geeks. Thanks in advance!

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u/LejonBrames117 — 22 days ago

Under-prepared Mt Whitney reassurance/reality check

These get asked a lot, I've read through the threads, but I would still like to get peoples opinions on my case.

I got a day-use Mt Whitney Permit last minute. I figure there is no harm in trying aside from taking up a permit that could have gone to someone better prepared.

I am the weak link in my group, and I am comfortable giving up if I get altitude sickness and waiting for the other 2 in my group to go summit and rejoining them on the way down.

How bad is this going to be?

I am 180lbs at 5'11, kind of skinny fat if I'm being honest. I do a lot of pickleball/tennis, and the past year I've started running and I'm at 20 miles per week. I did a marathon in 5 hours recently where I peaked for 30 miles a week during training. Thats honestly not even intermediate running performance and I know that, I'm not bragging, just describing my fitness.

I managed to do Mt Baldy a few years back when I was 200lbs with no training, so I think I can push myself pretty hard. That same summer at 200lbs I managed to get to trail camp, where we turned around.

I have just over a week to prepare. I think I'm going to go balls to the wall on stairmaster today, and maybe a lighter session in another 2 days, and then rest until the day of the hike. If anyone has input on what I can do to help myself with a little over a week until the day of, that would be appreciated.

Sorry to the others who are better prepared and looking for permits but this is on my dad's bucket list, and he is in phenomenal hiking shape (routinely does 8 hour day hikes albeit at sea level). The other person in my party is a ringer whos done Mt Whitney 3 times and can get my dad up to the summit provided my dad doesn't get altitude sickness. So at worst I am wasting 1 permit.

Thanks in advance to anyone who was willing to chime in here

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u/LejonBrames117 — 22 days ago

Norwegian Severe Infections...new method

/uj i am not promoting this page at all. Its yet another slop page posting clickbait. I included it to show that I didn't make the headline myself

u/LejonBrames117 — 28 days ago
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Does spotlight search break, semi regularly, for years?

I'm NOT looking for help, or saying spotlight search is broken right now (it is for me)

I just want to know if spotlight search breaks 1-4 times a year, for other people, for over a decade.

I remember trying to fix it on my work laptop in 2017. I remember not being able to fix it in 2019 and realizing it will fix itself after some time.

I know it was one of the later episodes where I got in the habit of just opening finder instead of searching "applications" because that will break, about 50% of the time in tandem with when app search breaks

This is over 5 different MBP devices over the span of 10 years (I work in tech so work laptops + personals), since before and after the M1 chip.

Am I the only one? I see lots of threads over the years of people having it broken for them, in a specific instance. I'm not seeing much discussion around the fact that it happens every few months for years and I just feel like there should be a couple lol

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u/LejonBrames117 — 2 months ago

Costco Sealy Posturepedic 12" firm vs Tempurpedic 11.5" firm

TLDR: Can anyone tell me how similar the PosturePedic 12" Firm is to the Tempurpedic Adapt Firm?

Hi,

My partner and I have tried the Tempurpedic Adapt Firm and liked it.

I am a back sleeper, partner a side sleeper. I personaly could not find a mattress that was "too firm" when I laid on it in-store, but the tempurpedic adapt firm was still firm enough for me and still soft enough for partner.

So basically, we'd both likely be satisfied if we got the Tempurpedic 11.5 firm from costco. As of right now its 1600$ which is 600$ cheaper than the adapt firm at the actual Tempurpedic store and at the mattress store nearby.

However, the PosturePedic 12" firm is currently 750$ at Costco

Has anyone tried both? Unless the PosturePedic is reviewed as "very similar to the tempurpedic firm", I'll probably just go for the tempurpedic. I love Costco and I dont want to abuse their return policy.

I tried to search this but theres not many direct comparisons, probably because they're in 2 different price tiers. But we "know" that the Tempurpedic firm is good for us so I'd appreciate any direct comparisons if people have them. If none are available, we'll just go with the tempurpedic. All my friends whove had them are in their 30s still using the mattress from when they were teenagers so I have a lot of anecdotal evidence to believe Tempurpedic longeivity will make the cost acceptable.

Also in case this thread pops up for others searching in the future:

The prices listed are for Queen sized + firm. Not hybrid on either model. The Tempurpedic was 1700 after a 300$ costco bonus card w/purchase, and then just over the course of the last week it dropped to 1600 after the rebate. Posturepedic is 750$ with no rebates or bonus.

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u/LejonBrames117 — 2 months ago
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Can you guys explain the running support on Garmin?

First off, I'm sorry to ask yet another Apple Watch vs Garmin thread. I've read through many

But the "running software" side is usually glossed over as one item. People talk about battery life, physical buttons, and then "running metrics"

Can you guys go into a bit of detail how you use these and how much it helps you?

Things like "training load", "training readiness" sound good to me and I'm about to switch, but I'd like to read more about these experiences instead of abusing the REI return policy or something to test it out.

AW has cadence, "power", heartrate. What is the garmin providing over that? I have friends who swear by garmin, and say to just try it, but its hard to wrap my head around what additional metrics/measurements are that make these guys swear by a Garmin.

I trust these guys enough to believe that these small things matter overall, but looking at the 570 (since I want the dual band GPS over the AW if I'm going to switch to a dedicated running watch) its a 450$ commitment.

Are you making training decisions around garmins metrics? I'm also ok with "I just like looking at these numbers after each run". But I'd just like to read people detailing more on the little things that fall under "running stuff" and what they like about it.

Thanks in advance

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u/LejonBrames117 — 3 months ago