Multiverse level Sonic Debunk

Multiverse level Sonic Debunk

Hear me out yall: I don't really buy any of the Sonic cast having Tier 2-1 AP anymore. The Super hedgehogs had to target Solaris' core which is specifically noted to be a [weak spot and his Achille's Heel](https://imgur.com/3NQRuyw). When Solaris came into existence, he scrambled all the existing timelines into [an space-time intersection](https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=356&v=QPM1m4CXHy0&feature=youtu.be). He floats idly while his eyes rupture space-time over a long period of time, which is stated in in-game dialogue if you hit a question box. Essentially: Solaris sits there doing nothing and summons rifts that over a long period of time corrode the multiverse into essentially a cluster of teeny tiny fragments that he then consumes. Solaris does use the Eyes as an attack but the Eyes are only Tier 2-1 through their passive corrosion of space-time, they don't necessarily have like Tier 2 kinetic energy. Solaris clearly isn't like many universes huge. The only way him eating timelines makes sense is if said timelines are fragmented into tiny chunks, which is exactly what's going on as the rifts he summons are breaking down space-time. Solaris himself isn't really doing anything. One might bring up Time Eater but the issue is: Time Eater isn't destroying the universe. What Time Eater is doing is traveling throuh time and erasing random locations in time. When he does so, it causes disruptions in time that will eventually cause space and time to collapse. Time Eater never destroyed the entire universe at all, all he did was just traveling through time and BFR'ing areas into white space. Him traveling through time disproves the idea that time was destroyed and the statements of Time Eater destroying time only refer to the areas that Time Eater sent to White Space considering that [when Sonic moves too fast, time within those areas is restored](https://imgur.com/a/sonic-generations-japanese-scans-dJoIUmF).

The evidence in the guidebooks doesn't add anything to make the feat universal at all, because destroy in this context can just mean ruin/causing chaos. The End is kind of a fraud. It's claims of "bringing all the teeming chaos of creation to order" is just flowery language. It says it will "consume all" but I find it dubious to say this means it can actually destroy a universe when it was explicitly trapped within Cyber Space, a reality, and unable to escape. Even Ian Flynn, the guy who wrote The End's monologue, considers The End to be overhyping its own capabilities. The End's cosmology threatening statements are just poetic flowery language, the best on screen feat is planet destruction. Ian Flynn has commented on how not everything it says is literal, for example the part where it says it's infinite in comparison to everything else. "Saving everyone everywhere" does not mean The End will suddenly destroy a universe, **if it could do that the universe should've already been destroyed.** Life wiping can occur overtime and we *clearly see* The End wiping planets with life in them.

u/Long_Report_7683 — 13 hours ago
▲ 5 r/SonicScaling+1 crossposts

Base Sonic Feats

Physical Strength

  1. [A Spin Dash from him caused an explosion so big it engulfs the top of a mountain](https://youtu.be/wJr1pNBzTCQ?feature=shared)
  2. [With help, he toppled a robot that towered over buildings in one blow](https://imgur.com/a/af0Zhea)
  3. [Fought and defeated the Egg Dragoon](https://youtu.be/XoSbrC8gyZ8?t=164), [despite it having years of research on his movement patterns](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/2/2e/EggDragoonEncyclopedia.png/revision/latest?cb=20250906051347)
  4. [Fought and defeated the God of Destruction Perfect Chaos](https://youtu.be/hAsAhwdH-as?is=Ui4NDFyJ9tSoQBB2), [who was previously a Super Sonic level threat](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=urA4jpiyLEI&t=5s)
  5. [Broke free from Neo Metal Sonic’s grip](https://imgur.com/a/o9Y6HCw)
  6. [Effortlessly destroys a massive crab robot](https://imgur.com/a/So5m9q0)
  7. [Matches Metal Sonic’s strength alone whereas Tails and Amy needed to work together to hold back Metal](https://imgur.com/3viCbsC)
  8. [While inferior to, Sonic can still harm Master Overlord](https://imgur.com/2lSJI6H)
  9. [Throws a lance from an Egg Pawn with such force it destroys one of the cannons on Neo Metal’s flagship](https://imgur.com/VrbEsqj)
  10. [Even while heavily weakened and exhausted, he can somewhat fight Zombot Shadow](https://imgur.com/Ri0GyXm)
  11. [Throws Amy high into the air](https://imgur.com/a/5Xm1gdj)
  12. [Before getting his biodata copied, he could damage Neo Metal Sonic and send the robot crashing to the ground](https://imgur.com/a/Gh31t9M)
    Durability
  13. [While he got knocked out, he still survived an attack from the universe-destroying Time Eater](https://youtu.be/FeaLm0HAEvo?t=107)
  14. [While he got knocked out, he survived and was able to momentarily stand up after being thrown through pillars into a mountain by Giganto](https://youtu.be/svPnl39i9Jw?is=iE5FPB1nPlrB67cw)
  15. [Survived being electrocuted by an amped Surge while underwater](https://imgchest.com/p/n87wj2w8z4x)
  16. [While knocked out, he still survived an extensive beat down from Infinite and Phantom Ruby Clones of Zavok, Shadow, Chaos, and Metal Sonic](https://youtu.be/F\_B1EVzE7qs?is=30SG4mBSkbOU2q-d). [Phantom Ruby Clones have powers just as formidable as their real counterparts](https://youtu.be/4c-BGVvySE0?is=-0fEgxIWYJeMs8Wr).
  17. [Walked out of an explosion unharmed](https://imgur.com/a/9k5WQzt)
  18. [Falls from a unknown but likely massive height](https://imgur.com/a/tmKNRYY) and suffered only minor visible damage
  19. [Even while weakened and exhausted, he survived being blasted into the ground by the breath of a Chaos Emerald powered Zavok](https://imgur.com/a/LyH8rTA)
  20. [Was inside a drop ship when Blaze blows it up and emerges from the explosion without significant damage](https://imgur.com/a/Sza89wY)

Endurance & Willpower

  1. [Pushed beyond his limits despite his injured ankle which felt like being stabbed by a thousand needles](https://imgchest.com/p/agyvn2bmb48)
  2. [Endured some form of torture aboard the Death Egg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnkjIK6FuVs&t=330s) for [six months straight](https://imgur.com/a/s8zsXv2)
  3. Endured prolonged exposure to Cyber Corruption and continued to move forward regardless, despite Cyber Corruption causing [memory loss](https://imgur.com/a/sonic-forgets-his-name-sonic-frontiers-eTNhfKd), [feelings of numbness](https://imgur.com/a/bX2tWJj), [eventually paralysis](https://imgur.com/a/sZc57b5), [great](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/e6df11670a7c.webp) [physical pain](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/c04c79e9f323.webp), and also [affecting Sonic’s very soul](https://imgur.com/a/GkWxanb).

Travel Speed

  1. [Can run on water effortlessly](https://imgur.com/a/MRU5P9b)
  2. [Outran cannon fire](https://imgur.com/a/Nv8Q1Ur)
  3. [Runs laps around Angel Island](https://imgur.com/qz8JdRE)
  4. [Even while incredibly tired and weakened, he could cross several mountains quickly](https://imgur.com/QOzPzVp)
  5. [Runs fast enough to create multiple sonic booms](https://imgur.com/cGXG9Bg)
  6. [Travels up a mountain incredibly fast](https://imgur.com/gFjTDQk)
  7. [Outruns Shadow multiple times](https://imgur.com/JvHNj2g)
  8. [Creates a big tornado with his speed](https://imgur.com/YsGVmEY)
  9. [Outran attacks from the Time Eater](https://youtu.be/cgoE8TjqmsU?is=I\_\_nRfaf4VTnEQVU)
  10. [Ran fast enough to restore the universe after it was erased by the Time Eater](https://imgur.com/a/Zs4hRMs)
  11. [With help, Sonic ran so fast he escaped Null Space, an alternate dimension of endless nothingness disconnected from all other dimensions](https://youtu.be/5\_wKkzUd8Bw?is=EIXQYyJZbPX9H4QK)
  12. [Generates numerous afterimages with his speed](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jVT3rZT8yk&list=PLgPg3XjfKnjjFyH4WSet8s1a535AE9rbP&t=109s)
  13. [Considers running at the speed of light to not even be a challenge, with E-123 Omega’s calculations also stating that Sonic will exceed the speed of light](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/179025708662.webp)
  14. [Saves Amy from an electric attack](https://imgur.com/MBWRcWb)
  15. [Leaps over incoming missiles](https://imgur.com/a/THNC7QS)

Combat & Reaction Speed

  1. [Deflects a Cyan Laser attack](https://imgur.com/UaAApJe), [which have been said to move at the speed of light albeit the translation is questionable and most statements merely say “super fast”](https://web.archive.org/web/20210827082417/https://sonic.sega.jp/SonicChannel/special/coverstory/20210827\_002645/)
  2. [Lands numerous attacks on the Deadly Six without getting hit once](https://imgur.com/a/vcXTvGN)
  3. [Trades rapid blows with Metal Sonic, matching the machine’s speed and only getting hit after being distracted](https://imgur.com/a/FesbF3y)
  4. [Dodges bolts of electricity](https://imgur.com/sfdN0oA)

Scaling

(These are feats performed by characters or things comparable to or weaker than Sonic himself, meaning he should scale to these)

  1. [An injured Classic Metal Sonic can cross interplanetary distances in seconds](https://youtu.be/4b3j0nrDm7s?t=44)
  2. [One Chaos Emerald can split the Earth into pieces](https://youtu.be/UXK7HEbg1dg?t=1677) and [overpower a charge from the universe-destroying Time Eater](https://youtu.be/h8EpgvV0goA?t=951&feature=shared) despite the Emerald [not being at full power](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/4f1acfb254e0.jpeg)
u/Long_Report_7683 — 24 days ago

A Dream Made True/UnderTime: Stardust Speedway Season Two Part Seven: Fight or Flight

The parts are getting names now yippe! :D

Anyway this one is significantly shorter than the previous part but hopefully yall still enjoy it! I had a ton of fun writing it :3

A new master post and rewrite of the textbox era are coming soon!

Words: ~3K

Any thoughts, questions, suggestions, and comments are welcome! 💚

https://archiveofourown.org/works/83885986/chapters/229126251

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u/Long_Report_7683 — 24 days ago

A Dream Made True/UnderTime: Stardust Speedway Season Two Part Seven: Fight or Flight

The parts are getting names now yippe! :D

Anyway this one is significantly shorter than the previous part but hopefully yall still enjoy it! I had a ton of fun writing it :3

A new master post and rewrite of the textbox era are coming soon!

Words: ~3K

Any thoughts, questions, suggestions, and comments are welcome! 💚

https://archiveofourown.org/works/83885986/chapters/229126251

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u/Long_Report_7683 — 24 days ago

A Dream Made True/UnderTime: Stardust Speedway Season Two Part Seven: Fight or Flight

The parts are getting names now yippe! :D

Anyway this one is significantly shorter than the previous part but hopefully yall still enjoy it! I had a ton of fun writing it :3

A new master post and rewrite of the textbox era are coming soon!

Words: ~3K

Any thoughts, questions, suggestions, and comments are welcome! 💚

https://archiveofourown.org/works/83885986/chapters/229126251

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u/Long_Report_7683 — 24 days ago

https://archiveofourown.org/works/83885986

OOOOH BOY ITS FINALLY OUT!

I know this took a loooong time to release but hopefully you’ll enjoy it! Don’t expect a consistent update schedule lol.

Words: 18,876

Anyway I hope you have fun reading the grand return of my favorite fic to write of all time! More will come…in maybe a month, idk. Feel free to ask any questions you have! Criticisms, thoughts, suggestions, and concerns are all very welcome!

For those who are utterly lost you can read every previous part of this fic here: https://www.reddit.com/r/CocoaPowder/s/L63DuydX6C

And news on the name of the fic: https://www.reddit.com/r/CocoaPowder/s/sI2g80RXPA

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u/Long_Report_7683 — 2 months ago

https://archiveofourown.org/works/83885986

OOOOH BOY ITS FINALLY OUT!

I know this took a loooong time to release but hopefully you’ll enjoy it! Don’t expect a consistent update schedule lol.

Words: 18,876

Anyway I hope you have fun reading the grand return of my favorite fic to write of all time! More will come…in maybe a month, idk. Feel free to ask any questions you have! Criticisms, thoughts, suggestions, and concerns are all very welcome!

For those who are utterly lost you can read every previous part of this fic here: https://www.reddit.com/r/CocoaPowder/s/L63DuydX6C

And news on the name of the fic: https://www.reddit.com/r/CocoaPowder/s/sI2g80RXPA

reddit.com
u/Long_Report_7683 — 2 months ago

https://archiveofourown.org/works/83885986

OOOOH BOY ITS FINALLY OUT!

I know this took a loooong time to release but hopefully you’ll enjoy it! Don’t expect a consistent update schedule lol.

Words: 18,876

Anyway I hope you have fun reading the grand return of my favorite fic to write of all time! More will come…in maybe a month, idk. Feel free to ask any questions you have! Criticisms, thoughts, suggestions, and concerns are all very welcome!

For those who are utterly lost you can read every previous part of this fic here: https://www.reddit.com/r/CocoaPowder/s/L63DuydX6C

And news on the name of the fic: https://www.reddit.com/r/CocoaPowder/s/sI2g80RXPA

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u/Long_Report_7683 — 2 months ago