u/Max_G2_UA

After a year+ with a thumb throttle, I tried the stock half-twist again. I’m now 100% convinced it’s dangerous.

About a year ago I made this post after replacing the stock half-twist throttle on my GT3 Pro with a thumb throttle:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ElectricScooters/comments/1mexren/fix_segway_gt3_pro_replaced_the_crappy_halftwist/

I explained there why I hated the half-twist and why I thought it was actually unsafe, not just uncomfortable.

Well, one year and a LOT of riding later, I have an update.

I’ve been riding my GT3 Pro with the thumb throttle this entire time.

• Zero problems.
• Zero accidental acceleration.
• Zero dangerous situations.
• I got completely used to it and honestly stopped even thinking about the throttle.

Today I met a friend who has the previous GT2 with the stock half-twist throttle, and we swapped scooters for part of our ride. I rode his GT2 for maybe 4 km through the city.

And holy shit, it immediately reminded me why I replaced mine!

At one point I stopped at a traffic light and wanted to push the scooter forward a little while walking it. I was holding the handlebars normally and apparently the scooter went over a small bump or something I didn’t even notice.

My hand moved slightly and I accidentally twisted the throttle. Have no idea how.. just holding it normally as my GT3 Pro and basically doing the same and simple thing as every day.

The scooter suddenly accelerated forward.

And this is EXACTLY the problem I described in my original post a year ago.

When a 50+ kg scooter suddenly starts pulling away from you, your instinct is to grip it harder and pull it back toward you.

But with a half-twist throttle, gripping harder can mean twisting the throttle even more.

That’s exactly what happened. Instead of stopping it, I gave it MORE throttle and the GT2 literally started to wheelie in front of me.

If someone had been standing in front of me at that moment, especially while I was crossing the street, I could have hit them with a 50+ kg scooter.

And the craziest part is that I WASN’T EVEN RIDING IT. I was just walking it.

This exact type of accidental acceleration had already happened to me before on my GT3 Pro, and it was one of the main reasons I changed the throttle. After a year without a single similar incident with the thumb throttle, I rode a half-twist scooter for FOUR KILOMETERS and it happened again.

That pretty much confirmed everything for me.

And even ignoring the safety issue, I had forgotten how uncomfortable the half-twist is for normal city riding.

Going over curbs or bumps where I want a little throttle while also having a solid grip on the handlebar feels terrible. Part of my hand is gripping the fixed section, part is on the rotating throttle, so either I have to loosen my grip or the grip literally rubs against my hand while rotating. After only about 4 km I was already annoyed by it.

Meanwhile, with the thumb throttle I can keep a completely solid grip on the entire handlebar and independently control acceleration with my thumb. Hitting bumps, jumping small curbs, pushing the scooter, hard acceleration, slow maneuvering, everything feels completely natural.

After a year with the thumb throttle, I can say this confidently:

The stock half-twist throttle is a complete deal breaker for me.

If replacing it wasn’t possible, I genuinely would not buy the GT3 Pro.

For a scooter this heavy and powerful, Segway should at least give people a choice between half-twist and thumb throttle.

Build in charger provides 3.9A, and when connecting "fast charger" it will provide only additional 70W for my G3!

https://store.segway.com/segway-ekickscooter-flash-charger-48v

>which reduces charging time by up to 50%.

Thats some sick joke or what? 70W wont reduce charging by 2 times!

I've been using S-ABS func since 0 day and never had issues with it, why its gone?
Tested? New release? New firmware?

Without this option - braking would be not safe! I've tested it in compare to GT2 and this is DEAL BREAKER!

PUT IT BACK IMMEDIATELY!

I found what I believe is a serious design flaw in the Segway app.

The Sound Effects volume setting controls normal sounds like power on/off, button presses, notifications, etc. I keep it at 5% because I don’t want the scooter making loud sounds every time I connect or change a setting.

However, the exact same volume is also used when triggering Play Sound from Apple’s Find My network.

That means if someone steals my scooter and I use Find My to locate it, the scooter only plays the sound at 5% volume. It’s almost impossible to hear unless you’re standing right next to it.

This defeats the purpose of the feature.

A “Find My” alert is a security feature, not a UI sound effect. It should always play at maximum volume, regardless of the Sound Effects volume setting. At the very least, it should have its own independent volume setting.

Using the same volume for everyday UI sounds and anti-theft locating makes no sense.

GT2 had two separate brake-related settings in the Segway app: Energy Recovery and Electronic Brake, both adjustable by intensity.

So, why GT3 Pro is still missing this option? I want to be able to adjust it and set it to Strong for sure!

I owned and rode the Segway GT2, and now I ride the GT3 Pro. After many kilometers, I think Segway is very close to building the perfect high-end scooter, but the product direction is confused.

The GT2 was almost the perfect asphalt cruiser.

It had a low center of gravity, a long wheelbase, wide 90 mm tires, good stability, and very soft suspension. The front and rear suspension had long travel and real adjustability. You could set it up to be very comfortable. On good or average asphalt, the GT2 felt like riding a tank or a sofa. It was stable, planted, calm, and very good for long-distance cruising.

The battery placement was also excellent. Low battery, low deck, low center of gravity. Segway also had a very interesting battery cooling design with airflow through the side channels. As a platform, GT2 was a very good cruiser concept.

But Segway made one massive mistake: the battery was too small.

Around 1500 Wh on a scooter like this is just not enough. If you ride at a real cruising speed, around 40-50 km/h, the real range is not impressive. In practice, you can end up with around 50 km of usable riding, then you need many hours to charge. For a big premium cruiser, that kills the product. A scooter like this should not be a short-range toy. It should be a real long-distance machine.

Now with the GT3 Pro, Segway fixed one important thing: the battery is bigger.

The 72V system and around 2100 Wh battery are a clear improvement. At around 40-45 km/h, the range is much better than GT2. For my weight, around 85 kg, I can see that this is finally closer to a real long-range scooter. But it is still not enough if the goal is serious cruising. At 45-50 km/h, it still does not feel like a scooter that can confidently do 100 km.

And at the same time, GT3 Pro became worse as a cruiser.

The scooter is shorter. The wheelbase feels shorter. The tires are narrower, around 80 mm instead of the wider GT2 tires. The scooter sits higher. The front suspension is very stiff and not properly adjustable. The rear suspension is also too stiff and not adjustable enough. On average or bad asphalt, it hits hard. My hands and fingers hurt after long rides. I have to wear thicker gloves just to reduce the impact. The rear also hits my back. For long-distance riding, this is not progress.

So GT3 Pro improved the battery and voltage, but lost a lot of the GT2 cruiser comfort.

This is the wrong direction.

If I were a Segway product manager, I would split the GT line into two completely different models.

First model: a true GT cruiser.

This should be the successor to GT2.

Low center of gravity. Long wheelbase. Wide comfortable street tires. Soft adjustable suspension. Stable geometry. Built for asphalt, long roads, and high comfort. Not for jumping, not for off-road marketing, not for fake aggressive design.

This scooter should have at least a 3.0-3.2 kWh battery. More would be better. The goal should be simple: real 100 km range at real cruising speed, around 40-50 km/h, not fake marketing range at 20 km/h.

It also needs real fast charging. Not 6-8 hours. A scooter with a huge battery needs something like 1.5 kW charging support, around 20A on a 72V system. Long-range riding only makes sense if you can also charge fast.

This would be the real GT cruiser.

Second model: a true off-road GT.

This should be a different scooter, not the same cruiser body with stiff suspension.

Higher ground clearance. Stronger front suspension. More travel. Real off-road tires. Different geometry. Something closer in idea to the ZT3 Pro front suspension direction, but bigger and more powerful. This scooter can be taller and more aggressive because that makes sense for off-road.

It should also have a big battery, maybe around 2800 Wh or more, but for this model the suspension and chassis matter even more. It needs to survive bad roads, forest trails, dirt, stones, and impacts.

Basically, Segway should stop trying to make one GT scooter that does everything.

Make two GT scooters:

1. GT Cruiser

Low, long, stable, soft, wide tires, huge battery, fast charging, real 100 km cruising range.

2. GT Off-Road

Higher clearance, big suspension travel, off-road tires, strong chassis, huge battery, built for rough terrain.

Right now GT2 had the soul of a perfect cruiser but not enough battery. GT3 Pro fixed part of the battery problem but became too stiff and less comfortable for long rides.

Segway already has the engineering ability. They just need to separate the product direction.

Personally, I would buy both models if they were done properly.

Segway P100S thumb throttle - best throttle ever. Period.
So you need to install it on:

• GT3 Pro - replace the shitty half-twist throttle
• G3 - upgrade it with a more premium feel

1. Connection is not stable, I have to close open app then it connects. Staying 1m away from GT3 pro
2. Glitchy numbers as in screenshot
3. When I set 90% max charge - it’s it set, going back and forth

My GT4 Pro Wishlist After 2800 km on the GT3 Pro

I have been riding my Segway GT3 Pro for about 2800 km, and honestly, I have mixed feelings about it. It is powerful and fun in some ways, but compared to the GT2, it feels like Segway made too many compromises.

The biggest issue for me is ride comfort. The GT2 had a much softer, more premium feeling on average pavement. The GT3 Pro feels much harsher. The front suspension is shorter, 150 mm instead of 165 mm, and it feels too stiff. The rear shock is also disappointing: 135 mm and no stiffness adjustment. For a scooter this heavy and powerful, that makes no sense.

The tires are another downgrade. The GT2 had wider tires, while the GT3 Pro uses narrower 80 mm tires with a very low-profile 80/55-7.5 size. On perfect asphalt they feel sharp and stable, but on slightly bad pavement the ride becomes harsh very quickly. You feel too much impact through the handlebars.

I also do not like the half-twist throttle. For this kind of scooter, I would really prefer a thumb throttle option. It gives better control, especially on bad roads or during acceleration.

The turn signal buttons also need a redesign. The current round button layout is hard to use while riding(specially in gloves), especially when the road is not perfectly smooth. It is too easy to miss or press the wrong direction. The buttons should be larger, wider, and much easier to feel by touch.

If Segway ever makes a GT4 Pro, this is what I would like to see:

- 2880 Wh battery or more

- Much faster charging, ideally around 20A or about 1500W total charging power

- Better 21700 cells, preferably high-quality Samsung cells

- Around 10000W total peak motor power

- 165 mm suspension front and rear

- Fully adjustable suspension, including stiffness and rebound

- Shock absorbers that are easy to replace with aftermarket options

- Thumb throttle option instead of only half-twist throttle

- Better turn signal buttons, larger and easier to use while riding

- 90 mm wide tires, maybe 90/60-7.5 or even something closer to the GT2 tire feel

- Better ride comfort on normal city pavement, not only on perfect asphalt

- Better front LED(had to use additional Nitecore BR35)

The GT3 Pro is not a bad scooter, but it feels like it lost some of the premium comfort that made the GT2 special. For the GT4 Pro, I really hope Segway focuses not only on power and specs, but also on suspension quality, tire comfort, controls, and long-term ride feel.

A GT4 Pro should feel like a true upgrade from both the GT2 and GT3 Pro, not just a heavier and harsher version with bigger numbers.