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The Bottomless Pit Part 2: Strange messages from the Archive...

The Bottomless Pit Part 2: Strange messages from the Archive...

Just wanted to drop a few messages that stood out to me recently in this continuation of my 4chan digging. This is not a linguistic rabbit hole, but rather one where the dates of these messages and their content stood out. I apologize in advance as it's a bit disorganized **(**please chime in with your thoughts if something stands out for you.)

A necessary disclaimer: I am not claiming that any of these anonymous posters were the killer, nor am I attempting to identify who they may be in real life.

A very early mention of damage to Kaylee's liver/Lungs

(I'll talk about this ID in a later post)

Anonymous ID:d3wOiXsy Wed 14 Dec 2022 00:53:46 No.408265812 

I have new information regarding the manner and brutality level of Kaylees death. She was given a Glasgow Grin/Joker smile, slashed across the mouth from ear to ear. She was also cut deep from chin to groin, reportedly with “severe damage” to her lungs and liver, though I don’t have precise details on what exactly that means.

Mention of bodies being posed, donated cloths.

Anonymous ID:1K60tJ4A Sun 04 Dec 2022 19:31:52 No.407127228  ViewReport

Our boy checks in every now and then. So let me b the 1st to say hello. Taking your clothes to the laundromat and then taking the clean clothes for donation to a salvation army is quite ballsy. You knew no one would follow the clues but one can hope huh?! Trail cam usage is interesting. Is this a new addition to your productions or have you found them beneficial since the start? Also, I have come to read between the lines from the press releases, so why poses? The time and effort it would take to create such installations is risky. But as an artist myself I would say I kinda understand? Anywho, good luck out there. Sooner or later we all have to pay the piper.

Theory of "straddling" the victims.

(this theory is unique, and the mention of "Straddling" makes it more so)

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2022 18:11:26 No.33410261 Report
The roommates might know the killer and be covering for him.
or
They may be innocent of it and the killer could have stuffed bedding into the victim's mouth during the fight. A strong attacker straddling a victim and going to town on them with a knife may well have grabbed a pillow or comforter and pushed it down on the victims arms and head. Quieter and keeps them from struggling so much. Such a victim would still receive defensive wounds in a struggle.

I'm leaning towards the killer being a jealous party boy instead of the special friend and or undocumented pharmacist they both phone bombed shortly before their deaths.

Usage of the word "Dethatched

" Anonymous ID:IMekm0gm Mon 21 Nov 2022 07:35:58 No.405375732  Report
could also be just to keep the scene quiet, or to inflict maximum terror on the victims, but indeed whoever did the killing would have to be impassioned about doing so in such a way, but that could also all point to a dethatched, criminal killing over drugs or money, but I don't know enough about who the victims were to start any liable talk like that yet

I think whoever did it probably knew in particular either one of the girls or the guy, and for whatever reason they decided to kill them, and just in the process went to hell on whoever was nearby, maybe some of the other victims were alerted to the others being attacked and were attacked in turn in their rooms when the killer realised they could have been awoken, I wonder if there will be any evidence showing they were on the ground floor at all at any time

I also wonder, if there is a significant lack of forensic evidence telling of who could have been there, if the killer could have really equipped themselves for the invasion, if they were wearing gloves it just deepens the rabbit hole on who this guy or guys is and what their goal was in entering the house that night with the intent to kill

"The girls were hated"

 Anonymous ID:+/K0BqtL Fri 16 Dec 2022 17:41:03 No.408608731   Replies: 172 ViewReport

Ok I’m sick of being quiet. Let’s have fun. Heavy on the rumor mill around campus. Well known Maddie, Kaylee and Xana and that house generally were hated by many many groups of girls around campus. There’s so many stories of these girls fucking other girl’s boyfriends and vise versa. It’s been theorized around here that one of their enemies had their crazy redneck uncle or cousin or something do something as retribution for fucking their boyfriends. Start asking about girls who hated them, especially one girl who they’ve all fairly recently removed from their social media pictures. This one is messy. Many students under surveillance. 4chan can solve this crime.

This next message is a bit random. I stumbled on it in a keyword search. The thread it was in is titled "ITT: Ask the opposite sex anything!".

The message was of interest with the mention of "Coveralls", and covering the woman/victim mouth.

Anonymous Sun 18 Dec 2022 13:00:45 No.27941087 Report
"The man towered over her. His massive chest and shoulders strained the fabric of his large coveralls. Even the legs of the coveralls held tight around his thick thighs.
He took one heavy step towards her, shattering the spell of fear that had held her and she turned to run. The man caught her by the arm with one hand and caught her scream before it started with his other, in a sharp fist to her back. The air knocked out of her and her lungs seemed to refuse to take any more in. He tugged her arm backwards and she moved like a staggering doll. Her arm felt like it might crumble in his powerful hand. In his grip, she felt as fragile as a newborn bird struggling for its first breaths.
When her lungs took a grateful breath, she exhaled it in a desperate, resonate scream even as the man grabbed her and she felt his gloved hand wrap around her mouth."

"The Real Stella" - User account attached to Moscow posts

Posts a strange message with photo of a blacked out person (see user ID) and text.

The Real Stella ID:aBAU5wOA Thu 15 Dec 2022 21:38:19 No.408508173  ViewReport

>>408506585
This kid's daddy is. He's off to college, not a worry in the world.

ID mentions KA-BAR, Stargazing and reply to VS reference.

Anonymous ID:haSDtXOD Mon 12 Aug 2019 10:29:40 No.222814979  Report
OmgKBAR1u is your id. Pic unrelated. (includes KA-BAR pic)

Orthodox Judaism is about healing the world (getting everyone up to speed). Not domesticating your fellow man and seeking redemption through sin.

Anonymous ID:haSDtXOD Mon 12 Aug 2019 13:24:24 No.222834491  Report
100%. Noticed it again looking up for Perseid shower. It's like all the dots are connected with thin lines that sort of bend but aren't actually there.

Reply to "ever notice the static in the black sky when stargazing? like oldschool tv static?"

Corner Club

Anonymous ID:sm+x1U/o Tue 15 Nov 2022 21:49:01 No.404646853  Report
You have no room to talk and are a fucking degenerate if you spend time in the Corner Club.

The Killer calls a Streamer?

https://x.com/HighlightsXMark/status/1608919427856371712?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1608919427856371712%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=

One at a Time: A side story

This one is a little more in depth and I need to provide some context. I found a series of comments in moscow threads that initially sent alarm bells off (I think you will see why below). I chased several messages further which ultimately lead to someone who seems obsessed with an Onlyfans model (Delayne). Pay attention to dates. *some of these messages were found through the "view same" image posting.

The series of comments in this first thread come out of nowhere, leaving other users baffled as to what, or who this person is going off about.

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:57:26 No.33355190 Report
You realize the FBI is involved with this? It's gone well beyond your ability to handle it. After over a year of suffering I'm finally in the advantageous position and I can't help but brag.

I'm going to make you regret everything. One day soon I will make you see. I will force you eyes open and you will no longer be blind. Wonderfully soon.

D gets left alone for now. I have to take care of JPF and I already incriminated myself with her. She will have to be suicided. Don't know how yet but...ohh maybe she gets killed "by" IAV and IAV goes to prison! But before that she mains him horribly! Oh what fun that would be!

Why do you think I hang on to this phone? Why don't I simply disappear? Hmm.

Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 11:11:29 No.32971806 Report

Keep barking

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 17:33:09 No.33355054 ViewReport

Soon. First IAV then JPF..then NAL.. eventually DVD.

Your time draws near and I am excited.

Anonymous Sat 12 Nov 2022 18:52:16 No.33355478 ViewReport

Are you watching?

Anonymous Wed 21 Dec 2022 02:24:00 No.33655933 ViewReport

3 days, Isaac. Those four in Moscow were just practice. 72 hours. Tick tock...

Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 16:16:53 No.33466583 Report

But DCV is punished after IAV. I have changed the order.

What do you strive for? I strive for revenge.

Random KA-BAR posts (not related to above, usually includes photo, dates vary)

Anonymous ID:quN025C8 Tue 15 Nov 2022 22:34:21 No.404651705  Report

>>404651408
have you ever tried yelling for help with one of these lodged in your neck, while also being passed out from drinking a gallon of vodka? not that hard to think logically about why someone wouldn't make a lot of noise in this situation.
>>404651575
worth noting that all of the deceased were from the CDA area, which is just on the other side of the border from Spokane.

Anonymous Tue 27 Jul 2021 08:57:45 No.24410759 Report

A KA-BAR in the glove box and a 20cm Tanto under the seat. I live in the ass end of nowhere and there are a lot of accidents related to wildlife. If someone asks, it's to put wildlife out of it's misery.
There's also a broom and in the trunk duct-tape, so you could in theory make a spear.

In case I get stranded somewhere.

Anonymous Fri 18 Nov 2022 12:17:05 No.33399942 Report

>>33399167
>a local hardware store manager was asked by the police if he had sold any Ka-Bar type knives recently
the scenario is similar to a murder spree that happened in 1990, Florida
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Rolling
>some really weird shit going on
blade kills made with a well constructed knife like a ka-bar can be so quick that they are practically silent, enabling a physically strong attacker to dispatch multiple victims in the dead of night and get away without anyone being the wiser.
I feel certain that forensic evidence will lead to a solid pinch soon, though.

Had to direct link this one: https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1670391608978772.png

Anonymous ID:MUP5wDIv Wed 20 Apr 2022 09:51:34 No.373809381  ViewReport

>>373808940
here's a knife

Anonymous ID:GJgxxIF9 Wed 18 Mar 2020 13:55:44 No.248863727  ViewReport

>>248863021
Like pic related. The only reason I'm not advocating for a full blown meme weapon like a spear or a sword is because even a large combat knife like what I described can be concealed if you put some effort into it.

If you dont care what you look like, spear or sword, maybe even a large dagger like you said, definitely. But I think blending into the crowd is important.

Anonymous ID:lCCke4cT Thu 01 Dec 2022 20:32:48 No.406740441  Report

Any idea of biker name or club affiliation? The weapon of choice for bikers is the knife and some are far more ruthless than the public allows you to know.

u/Mental_Economy_2688 — 1 month ago

The Bottomless Pit: analyzing 973 early 4chan posts, rumors and rabbit holes.

Over the last two weeks i've been digging through archives of early 4chan discussion surrounding the Idaho murders between the dates of Nov. 12–Dec. 30, 2022. Looking at repeated theories, writing habits, files, timelines, and how the same stories evolve across changing IDs. It was a lot more interesting than I expected as patterns started to emerge.

A necessary disclaimer: I am not claiming any of these anonymous IDs were Bryan Kohberger, or anyone else. What I’m looking at is continuity between different "Personas" being ran by a single individual, and what information those accounts shared.

The main pre-arrest dataset is:

  • 973 captured posts
  • 50 distinct 4chan IDs (manually selected by me)
  • 67,000+ words of text

Including roughly 515 InsideLooking comments (~6,205 words).

So altogether we’re looking at roughly 90,000 words of relevant material.

Cluster 1: 16-ID “case builder” cluster

This is by far the strongest recurring user-group:

TOHqz7J8 → 9EnklVGO → SJfb8vVM → c1baJ+KB → MwqVqSjE → 6X+wVdCT → rTF0c4/+ → shtWfqWH → qQYoG68v → z/2THkG9 → FtM9Nl+/ → MhAsSevj → kvOyGia0 → aBAU5wOA → Lra/5CwN → oYlTVKOs

About 30,363 words fall within this cluster.

The combined “character” behind the material is very recognizable.

They treat the case almost like an ongoing personal research project. They make/save custom maps and screenshots, refer back to “my posts,” “my work” and “my getaway route,” repeatedly revisit earlier conclusions, and carry theories across new threads.

They combine fairly ordinary research, house layout, terrain, cameras, escape routes, victim movements, with much stranger claims involving “tapping in,” impressions, energy signatures, visions/feels, etc. (Verbiage you encounter in the VS community)

They are heavily focused on:

  • the offender’s route
  • wooded approaches/escape paths
  • where a vehicle was parked
  • surveillance of the house beforehand
  • avoiding cameras
  • changing/containing bloody clothing
  • phone anti-forensics
  • victim selection
  • the offender psychologically enjoying the planning process
  • LE/FBI supposedly hiding or mishandling information
  • the possibility of an experienced or serial offender

And the vocabulary is extremely distinctive.

Unique words in this cluster:

fn — 109x
titties/tiddies — 50x
KrimeKaren/KrimeKarens — 47x
our guy — 41x
robopost/roboposting/robothreads — 26x
tap in/tap into — 13x
bed with the lad — 12x
Jaysus — 5x
innawoods — 4x
interdasting — 3x

But I think the repeated word-strings are even more interesting than isolated vocabulary:

our guy — 41x
the lad — 35x
his target — 22x
bed with the lad — 12x
his target was... — 9x
in bed with the lad — 8x
...was the target — 7x
he had to go upstairs — 6x
where he stashed his car — 3x across changing IDs
bed hopping with the lad — 3x across changing IDs
off the fn charts — 2x under different IDs

The story itself also travels with the IDs. Honestly, several of these individual ID's have personas of their own that people have made Youtube/Tiktoks about (wizardanon, Fratanon, Madlad, etc) you can look them up, but they haven't been cross-checked in this way.

The recurring version is roughly:

offender scouts a particular victim/house, approaches from the rear/wooded area, enters around the second-floor slider, something goes wrong with the original plan, moves between floor, exits through the same general area, follows a concealed route, reaches a vehicle parked/stashed away, contains or changes bloody gear.

An earlier version argues that the downstairs roommate was the intended target and that the upstairs killings happened because the original plan had been ruined.

Several days later, the same broader cluster changes that explanation: now the downstairs woman was supposedly mistaken for the intended victim, and the actual target was upstairs, meaning the offender “had to go upstairs.”

Standout comment: ID said the killer was “fit, and about 6 foot.” That post is from Nov. 21/22, 2022, before any profile was released to the public

Even a wrong theory can become a useful fingerprint though.

The claimed motive also becomes surprisingly consistent:

select a particular woman, watch/study her, build an elaborate plan, derive satisfaction from controlling and successfully executing that plan, refuse to abandon the chosen target once things go wrong.

Sex is usually described as secondary rather than the main motive. The recurring emphasis is control, victim selection, planning, ego and the satisfaction of “pulling it off.”

Rage usually appears as the reaction when that carefully constructed plan gets disrupted.

Cluster 2: LP2e3IEW + d3wOiXsy (“Infoanon”)

This is a very different character.

Instead of saying “here’s what I figured out”, this poster's is essentially saying:

“I know things you don't because I have a source.”

LP2e3IEW actually calls itself “the infoanon.”

This smaller cluster is 63 posts, 2,624 words, spanning Nov. 21 to Dec. 14.

The recurring character is very different from Cluster 1: instead of presenting research or intuition, it claims to have privileged local information. LP2e3IEW literally calls itself “infoanon,” says it lives locally, refers to earlier threads, and claims police have a “main suspect” it doesn’t want to reveal yet. It also says the offender had been scoping the residence for months.

Three weeks later, d3wOiXsy appears and explicitly says “I posted a few weeks ago in the earlier threads” and that people had called it “infoanon.” It says its source gets occasional information through “workplace privilege.”

Its recurring storyline becomes:

  • offender had watched/scouted the house beforehand
  • one woman was the intended target
  • wooded areas around the house were important for approach/escape
  • sliding-door entry
  • Ethan supposedly killed first
  • Ethan supposedly found in the second-floor hallway
  • front-door exit
  • evidence possibly dumped along an isolated route
  • police supposedly had a local suspect they were secretly focused on despite public statements

Cluster 3: quN025C8, the local-rumor poster

This one sounds different from both groups above.

The language isn't mystical and it isn't “I have an inside LE source.”

“This is what people around here are saying.”

The poster uses phrases such as “the rumor here in town” and “the story going around.”

And this account produced some of the most interesting early information in the entire archive.

On Nov. 15, it stated specifically:

“The weapon was a ka-bar.”

The first mainstream Ka-Bar-specific report I found was the following day but rumors were flying around town I'm sure.

The same evening, the poster described surviving roommates being unable to contact roommates and calling friends to the house before police were called.

MPD did not publicly confirm the general friends-before-911 sequence until Nov. 20.

InsideLooking: the authoritative Reddit voice

InsideLooking is interesting because it barely resembles anyone from the entire archive linguistically.

*I strongly believe Insidelooking was someone from Law Enforcement, but I'm open to having my mind changed. I did not find any proof this account was active after 12/30.

Some word Patterns:

Speculation — 37x
imo — 28x
No connection — 18x
No suspect at this time — 14x
official sources only — 8x

Account uses very short declarative statements and phrases, sometimes even repeatedly like:

“Stick to facts.”
“No connection.”

"Official Sources only"
“LE states…”

Yet it also advances very definite theories of its own.

One recurring route claim was essentially XE first → MK afterward, which appears to conflict with later investigative reconstruction.

Harder continuity evidence

There is also exact byte-identical custom images appearing under changing IDs.

Several apparent ID handoffs occur within minutes of one another.

One of the strongest is:

z/2THkG9 + FtM9Nl+/

z/2THkG9 says it saves screenshots of what it writes and will “repost my caps.”

That ID disappears.

A little over two minutes later, FtM9Nl+/ appears in the next thread carrying the same material.

The two IDs share numerous exact custom images and even a long essentially verbatim block of text.

Other handoffs have similarly short gaps, around 88 seconds, 11 minutes, 16 minutes, 32 minutes, etc. while preserving custom material, theories and unusual language.

Again, none of this establishes that any of these anonymous accounts belonged to Bryan Kohberger or any other identifiable person. Many more possibilities exist to mine further, from an educational perspective.

One of the strongest recurring storyline fingerprints is the victim order this early in the case. At least 11 of the 16 IDs in the main cluster independently preserve some version of Ethan/the male being attacked first, followed by Xana/the woman beside him, before the killer goes upstairs. Early IDs identify Xana as the intended target and describe the upstairs murders as rage/revenge after Maddie/Kaylee somehow “messed up” or “cock blocked” the original plan. Later IDs keep the same E/X-first sequence but change the explanation: the woman beside Ethan was supposedly mistaken for the real target, forcing the killer to “go upstairs.” Even separate Cluster 2 accounts repeat an Ethan/Xana-first → upstairs-target sequence.

The physical sequence seemed to remain remarkably stable while the explanation for it changes.

Actual target = 2nd floor, offender expected her to be in bed with Ethan, Ethan killed first, realizes the woman beside him is the wrong woman, now he “has to go upstairs.”

6X+wVdCTis the transition point: it still says the offender entered and “ended the lad straight away,” but starts wondering whether “blonde” was actually the target and the brunette in bed was a mistaken identity.

Byz/2THkG9 and FtM9Nl+/,: Ethan/the lad is killed, the woman wakes, the offender realizes “it was NOT who he was expecting,” and “he had to go upstairs.” FtM then says the actual target was likely one of the upstairs women.

That revised mistaken-identity/upstairs-target theory is then carried by at least nine IDs in the broader 16-ID stream: 6X+wVdCT, shtWfqWH, z/2THkG9, FtM9Nl+/, MhAsSevj, kvOyGia0, aBAU5wOA, Lra/5CwN, and oYlTVKOs.

An ID changing between threads does not itself mean anything. The connections above are based on combinations of chronology, repeated language, theory inheritance, self-reference and exact reused custom files. There are real negative controls. Some IDs directly reply back and forth to each other within the same thread, so those clearly represent separate posters at that moment.

Random posts and users become much less random when you analyze them at scale. The evidence suggests that at least one, and possibly a small number of highly active posters repeatedly posted a variety of information, intentionally acted as different "Personas", responded to eachother, and possibly even themselves while engaging with the discourse online.

*I have lots of source material, but I was unable to get through the Content Policy at this time to share it. DM for further interest.

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u/Mental_Economy_2688 — 1 month ago

Bias of r/moscowmurders

It’s clear that what was once a great sub, one that encouraged digging, competing theories, open discussion, and had a lot of genuinely productive contributors over the years who genuinely found some great leads, has turned into a fragile, narrow minded echo chamber.

Go back and compare the quality and range of discussion from three/four years ago to what gets posted now. The difference is stark.

At this point, I don’t see that sub producing many new discoveries or meaningful discussions about the case. Instead, there’s an increasingly hostile attitude toward anyone who still has questions about parts of the case they feel haven’t been adequately explained. Calling people “Probergers,” mocking anyone who continues digging, and treating curiosity or disagreement as evidence that someone with questions, or who questions the state isn’t a critical thinker.

People can pat each other on the back and feel validated because everyone around them agrees, but consensus within a heavily filtered community isn’t the same thing as being objectively correct. Cases like this benefit from people asking uncomfortable questions, checking claims, finding documents, and challenging assumptions, possibly for all of time. Shutting that down in favor of a herd mentality doesn’t make a community more credible.

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u/Mental_Economy_2688 — 2 months ago