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2:26AM Call between JD & Kaylee confirmed with FOIA’d 11/17/2022 interview

To everyone who called me a liar and said the phone call between Kaylee and Jack at 2:26 AM "never happened" because Kaylees sister (AG) and the Goncalves family never mentioned it… you are wrong. Very wrong. And to everyone who argued with me claiming LE didn't have his phone data until November 30 and the LE was "just messing with JD,” you are wrong as well.

The 17-minute call did happen and it is confirmed in the newly FOIA’d interview of JD on 11/17/2022. It was confirmed that the call lasted 16.88 minutes. And it was also confirmed that law enforcement did have JD’s phone data during the November 17 interview and they confronted him with it in real time.

Verbatim from the FOIA-released audio transcript of JD’s November 17, 2022 ISP interview with Det. Sgt. Van Leuven and Det. Alderson:

(16:55) - Det. Sgt. Van Leuven - “Okay. So last night they sent me printouts **from your phone.”

Not AGs files. Not the Goncalves Family. Not Kaylee's phone. JD’s own phone. And Van Leuven had been sent the printouts “last night,” so on November 16th. This is Van Leuven speaking on audio, in his own voice, telling JD exactly where the records came from.

(19:08) - Det. Sgt. Van Leuven - “Um, these are all incoming to your phone. And so I point your attention to this one, which is eleven thirteen, twenty twenty-two at two twenty-six AM**, and there's a call that's... It's, it's sixteen point eight eight minutes, so almost seventeen minutes** in duration, which was an answered call. Do you recall that call?"

(20:54) - JD - “I do remember seeing that on my phone, but I do not remember answering or..."

JD acknowledged the call. He could not explain it as the supplemental report stated.

(21:28) - Det. Sgt. Van Leuven - "So this phone call, I think that's what I'm trying to get at, is could you have answered the call and maybe, 'Ugh,' and didn't really have a conversation and just set the phone down, and it went on until Kaylee or somebody hung up or you hung up? I mean, I... How, how do we explain this, I guess is what I'm asking."

(21:44) - JD - "How you just explained it is my best guess of how, what might've happened or I thought it was, like, an alarm or something and just smashed my side button on my phone. I'm not sure."

I am sure the only thing anyone is going to get out of this post is “BUT THE BOOK STATES JACK CALLED KAYLEE AND IN THE FOIA THE OFFICER SAYS KAYLEE CALLED JACK.” Well, if you really listen to the interview I don’t even think the detective really understood what JD was asking when he asked who called who and at this point it doesn’t matter who called who. The fact is it happened. I mean VanLeuven even asks JD himself “how do we explain this?”

The full FOIA’d RAW interview file can be found here:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1B3KhO8z8FMNVDHwvUs304yioz4x-UjWe

u/Accomplished-Day1614 — 8 hours ago
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How did so many people know about the murders before the 911 call?

This isn’t talked about nearly enough.

I just finished watching the “chicken boy” interview, the gentleman with the cut on his right hand that he says is from cutting a chicken patty but also could have came from a broken window. That’s another deep dive for another day. But when they asked him what time did he go to sleep and wake up, he says he went to sleep sometime around 4am and then woke up around 10 or 11am and he says his phone was blowing up with the news of what was happening. Then he says this happened in a group chat.

The cop or investigator seems to gloss directly over this and move right along. This is now several individuals who have mentioned knowing about the murders prior to the 911 call.

But oddly enough, no one has provided any screenshots or any proof. However I find it hard to believe that so many people could all have the same story, unless the story is true.

Here’s a list of the people who claimed to, allegedly, know about the murders prior to 911 being called:

• Chicken Boy

• Kristi Goncalves’ niece who called her “around 11” and asked if she had spoken to Kaylee that morning because she was hearing rumors that Kaylee was at a party “that had been shot up”.

• WSU Mom Kim who spoke out early in the case and said both her son and her daughter knew about the murders “as early as 8am on Snapchat”. She also gave details about Kaylee’s face being beaten in and her being unrecognizable. These facts were not public knowledge at the time.

• “Dave”. A male who spoke to YouTubers very early in the case and said he had received messages “in the group chat” around 9am on the 13th.

• Linden Beck said in his interview he woke up “around 9 and then Dylan called and asked us to come over”. It’s unclear though, whether Dylan called at 9 or if he’s sandwiching two events together.

I feel like I’m missing one or two other people, so if you know feel free to put it in the comments. I’m just going off my memory.

And according to Broken Plea, Bill Thompson’s timeline says that Dylan was awake and walking up the stairs at 11am.

The only people who could have known about the murders prior to the 911 call is Dylan and Bethany, and the killer(s).

So why didn’t any of the investigators dig deeper and ask for proof of this “group chat” message?

Is it possible the cops knew way before noon?

Why weren’t some of the Snapchat contents able to be recovered? That’s awful convenient..

What do you guys think?

I think this little fact should be talked about way more. What are the odds that all of these different people have similar stories and timelines about what time they heard about the murders? These individuals were all on record saying these things longggg before the public knew about the roommates being on Snapchat that morning, so these aren’t rumors that morphed into existence over the years.

Did the Greek system have something to do with it, as in the whole “call us before you call the cops” stereotype that we’ve all heard about?

Even if the cops knew before noon, we don’t see any cop cars show up until 12.

We know that Bryan Kohberger is “a loner with no friends” so we can assume he wasn’t on Snapchat blabbing his mouth about killing them, so who was on Snapchat spreading the news? If this has any truth to it, that is.

🤷🏼‍♀️

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u/dumbsl_ut666 — 7 hours ago

D&B Theory

Does anyone else think it’s possible that Dylan and Bethany were genuinely scared, went to B’s room, woke up the next morning, went to check on everyone hence the 2 flights of stairs activity on D’s phone, realized they were actually dead and thought that they would get in trouble for not calling? Like what do y’all think they were doing in between when Dylan’s phone happened to travel 2 flights? Is it possible maybe they had some drugs or something and tried to get rid of stuff before they called? Maybe Emily and Hunter really thought they were being genuine when they called them to come over. What if that whole part is a coverup? I just need to envision how that period of time went it really drives me nuts.

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u/Quiet_Crazy_8755 — 12 hours ago

2 separate crimes

Has anyone thought that there is the possibility there were 2 separate crimes that occurred? Maddie and Kaylee were killed by a specific person/s for whatever the reason and Xana and Ethan just happened to have been killed for some other reason by different persons. Those 2 couples (I know Maddie and Kaylee were just friends) dont really match. Aside from being roomates, they hung out with different crowds, had a 2 year age gap, one of them being ready to graduate in a couple months. I just dont get how it was only those 4 in particular and they don't have much in common. No, I do not believe it was a random attack by someone in another state. I could elaborate on this, but hesitate to.

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u/Beginning_Network_39 — 14 hours ago
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Can we talk about this?

Sure, maybe BK didn’t fill out the form accordingly as there were other boxes he did not fill out. (Although— why would LE allow him to proceed without filling all boxes in accordingly??) But this one section he didn’t fill out is irking me. I could be looking into it too deeply. Any thoughts?

u/bubbles927 — 17 hours ago

Do we think there was more than one killer?

Look I have no evidence so don’t come at me but I’ve seen people talking about it a lot lately. Many people believe that there were multiple killers, I’ve also heard some people say BK is innocent I personally don’t think he’s innocent but there is something very awful about this case. What are your guys thoughts?

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u/SmoothTechnician1542 — 23 hours ago

THE COPS LIED!!! | IDAHO 4 INVESTIGATION

Everything you "think you know" is a lie.
Ever wonder why you don't see the girls when they get out the uber? All the video was manipulated and certain parts deleted.

There were multiple vehicles there that night and you'll hear everything!

Please watch and know the truth. If you can think for yourself - you will know the truth.
The Video talks for itself.

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u/Artissin — 1 day ago

Any Guilters

COPYING FROM OTHERS

⁠Did LE ever confirm that all the wounds were caused by a K-bar?
• ⁠Did LE get a list of EVERY phone that was within the same range distance of the 1122 house, as BK's phone?
• ⁠Did LE establish that no one else's phone pinged with the same distance as BK's in the area of 1122 who did not have an alibi?
• ⁠Did anyone analyze or make a cast of the footprints in the snow in the back of 1122?
• ⁠Did they also IGG test the sample of Y chromosome cells in the mixture of KG/MM on the back of the sheath?
How can you defend not testing the hair?

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u/No_Mixture4214 — 1 day ago

¿Será que algún día sabremos el por qué ?

He estado pesando y me ha dejado muchas dudas ¿El POR QUÉ BK Hizo lo que hizo? , ayer vi el video de Azget Industries donde ella mostraba a través de unas imágenes 3D como hubiese sido el asesinat* basándose en cada una de las huellas, pistas o manchas de sangre y evidencias en el camino. Cuando vi ese video realmente me sorprendí y me pregunté ¿Cómo una persona puede hacer eso? El ataque de Kaylee fue con tanta rabia, una rabia que no era normal. Hace días vi el documental de prime , y la verdad me resolvieron algunas dudas pero al ver todo el rollo de BK me hizo dudar algunas cosas 1- ¿Será que realmente BK lo hizo por el movimiento INCEL? Y su “Ídolo” por así decirlo era Elliot Rodger (esta persona siempre quiso m*tar a chicas de ALPHA PHI ya que las odiaba (Elliot lo dijo) debido a que las chicas no se atraían por el? Así como según le sucedía a BK? 2- ¿ O será que como dicen en algunas ocasiones las chicas fueron acosadas? por alguien ya que se dice que Kaylee y Maddie habían dicho que alguien Stalkeaba sus redes sociales y en ciertas situaciones la seguían

(Es mi opinión)

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u/Mar5188 — 1 day ago

Footage

Does anyone know where I can find the footage’s of when Maddie and Kaylee were walking with Jack Showalter, when Maddie said f u to someone, and when they were at the grub truck?

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u/Enoxb — 2 days ago

Today I watched this amateur statement analysis on DM’s 11/13/22 police interview it ties in with what I posted a few weeks ago. Everyone should go watch because it’s very interesting 👀

A few weeks ago I went through all of DM’s public statements and interviews and noticed how she kept volunteering details to police before investigators had even discovered them. That’s why I found this video so interesting.

Today I watched Parts 1 & 2 by the creator of the video(s). He does a really detailed breakdown while physically watching and listening to her actual police interview on screen the whole time.

Important note: He’s not a professional statement analyst. He openly says he studied it several years ago, thinks about it constantly, and is just an amateur giving his best effort. But his breakdown is surprisingly methodical & very interesting.

I’ve attached slides that summarize the key points he makes (these are direct from what he states in the video not assumptions).

Standout points for me:

• The “obviously yes, we were drinking” qualifier early on
• The pronoun drop and rushing past the Sigma Chi party
• Switching from using Kaylee’s actual name to just “her”once the timeline hits the critical 4:00 a.m. window
• The sudden tense break: she’s in historical present (“I hear her go upstairs…”) then hits the investigator with “You can hear like everything” (he calls this a “terrible sign”)
• Other flags like “nothing weird at all,” “I didn’t know what else to do,” leakage comments, and the overall lack of warmth/experiential memory

Whether you think it’s all trauma affecting her wording or something more, it’s one of the most thorough statement analyses I’ve seen on this case.

Has anyone else watched it yet? What stood out to you most, the pronoun shift, the tense break, the “obviously” qualifier, or something else?

If you haven’t seen it, I highly suggest you watch and then let’s talk!

https://youtu.be/lZMfWVOdIbc?si=NgawaZepLqSTDN5k

u/Accomplished-Day1614 — 2 days ago

This does not make sense

In the interview, Bethany said she heard the cups fall on the floor. One of them also said you could hear everything in the house.

I’m not pointing fingers at anyone, but I’m just confused. If you can hear light plastic cups fall over, how could you not hear someone fighting for their life? Xana was clearly fighting. We’ve all heard about the loud thud on the camera footage, which people believe was Xana falling. The dog was also barking, and that was picked up loud and clear from metres away.

So again, I’m not accusing anyone. I’m just saying it feels weird. If you can hear cups fall, how do you not hear the dog barking, the thud, and the struggle?

Does anyone else find that strange?

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u/SmoothTechnician1542 — 3 days ago

I am now starting to see why People call Emily & Hunter sus, I came across this video that had a comment between Emily and a girl.

The girl mentioned “ How come you never mention sending xana money on Venmo at 3:51AM ( same time Dylan was adding a contact ) and she goes along the lines of “ prob bc i didn’t “ with 3 laughing emojis..

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u/Fresh-Task-6169 — 2 days ago

Other cases with so much censoring?

Something that has always bothered me about this case is that nearly every person in the body cam footage has had their faces blurred out for the released version we are able to see, yet each and every single one of them is an adult. Even the paramedics faces are blurred out when they arrive a few minutes after the first responding officer arrived.
Are there other cases with such a high level of censorship of adults? The Chris Watts case comes to mind where Nicole’s son is barely an adult and younger than the students in this case, yet he is not blurred in the least unlike his younger sister who is.
I think this bothers me as the 8 hour gap between the supposed time of the crimes to the call to the police is unfathomable and hard to stomach/believe, and not being able to read their faces removes our best tool of deciding for ourselves if they are being truthful or not. Frustrating!!

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u/beigemamba1080 — 2 days ago