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After reviewing Dylan Mortensen’s phone records, the FBI surveillance report, and the 1112 King Road surveillance footage, it’s very clear that SV1 could not have been the masked man Dylan saw.

According to the FBI, SV1 left the area at 4:20:47 AM. The 1112 King Road surveillance footage is consistent with that timeline.

Now let’s compare that timeline to Dylan Mortensen’s interview with Detective Gooch and her phone records.

Keep one timestamp in mind: 4:20:47 AM

Also keep in mind Dylan tells detective Gooch that she immediately texted Kaylee after she heard her run downstairs and say “someone is here,” which was at 4:22:42. She then tells her after that she opened her door for the 2nd time heard crying in the 2nd floor bathroom and a man say “I am here to help you.“ She then closes her door. Then Dylan opens her door for a third time and that’s when she sees a man with a mask dressed in all black leave out the sliding door.

Dylans own text message show she never mentioned the man in the black to Bethany until AFTER she texted Kaylee at 4:22:42 AM. The first text to Bethany about the man in black wasn’t until 4:23:42 when she tells Bethany, “No it’s like a ski mask almost.”

According to Dylan’s own timeline and phone records SV1 could not be the masked man that Dylan saw in 1122 King Road because that car had left the area by 4:20:47 AM.

I'm not claiming to know what happened, and I'm open to being corrected. There are still aspects of the timeline and witness accounts that I personally find confusing, particularly the Ring camera footage/audio, the reported timeline, and the delay in calling 911.

This is just my theory and what I believe based on what I've read and saw

From the ring camera footage 1112, we can hear a conversation that is believed was coming from 1122. the time stamp was around 2am onwards. we can hear a faint conversation (I personally couldnt understand most of it but I saw a post of someone trying to put subtitles on it and it was eerie) We hear murphy in the background barking and alot of screaming. like they were arguing about something. Because of this, I believe it is false that whatever happened to the 4 of them, happened around 4am.

I see alot of people saying it wasnt a 1 man job, I totally agree. but I dont think BK did it at all. if he was anything, he was probably there as a clean up guy.

alot of things dont add up, especially hearing Dylan and Bethany's comments. it was inconsistent and pure bullshit. what do you mean you waited 8hrs before you decided to call the police? what do you mean you saw X lying on the floor and thought "oh maybe shes just passed out drunk" and then seeing a guy wearing a ski mask. what do you mean you said you were drunk and couldnt remember anything but was on the phone the entire time? (Based on the shared phone activity)

I have so many questions, I just wanted to drop this here because I believe BK is not innocent but he wasnt the guy who did all of this. the two girls know something. they know ALOT.

I can’t understand how people can blindly believe it is BK’s car, with ZERO evidence to support it and plenty against.

It must be nice to just assume it was him in the car.

I know this is going to be unpopular in here, but I’m genuinely open to being challenged on it.

My position is not that I know exactly what happened. I’m not claiming I have the perfect alternate theory. I’m not saying I know who did it if it wasn’t BK. And I’m definitely not trying to disrespect the victims or their families.

My position is much simpler than that:

I am not convinced, based on what the public has seen, that Bryan Kohberger has been proven to be the full answer to this case beyond reasonable doubt.

To me, there is a major difference between “this person looks suspicious” and “this person has been proven to have committed four murders.”

That distinction matters.

A lot of people talk about this case like the official narrative is already complete and untouchable, but when I look at it carefully, I still see a lot of gaps being filled in with assumptions.

People say he had a target.

Okay — who exactly, and what proves that? PROVE ME WRONG

People say he acted alone.PROVE ME WRONG

Okay — what proves that beyond just the current theory of the case?

People say the sheath proves he was there.

Okay — does one piece of DNA on a sheath explain the entire crime, the timeline, the motive, the lack of a clear relationship, and the lack of expected transfer evidence?

People say the phone being off is suspicious.

I agree, it is suspicious. But suspicious behavior is not the same thing as proof of murder.

People say the car movements are damning.

Again, I agree they matter. But a vehicle allegedly being in an area is not the same thing as proving who was inside, what they did, or that they committed the entire crime exactly the way the public narrative says.

That is where I get stuck.

This was an extremely violent crime. Whoever did this would have had to enter a house, attack multiple people, leave the scene, get away, and somehow avoid leaving behind the kind of evidence most people would expect from a crime that chaotic and brutal.

One of the biggest questions for me is the reported lack of victim DNA in his car, apartment, office, or personal spaces, at least based on what has been publicly discussed. I understand that absence of evidence is not automatically evidence of innocence. I understand people can clean things. I understand criminals can get lucky.

But in a case this violent, involving four victims, I do think that question matters.

If the theory is that he committed this crime alone, left quickly, drove away, and later returned to normal life, then I need more than “he could have cleaned it.” Maybe he could have. But that still feels like an explanation being used to cover a gap, not evidence that closes the gap.

The lack of a clear known connection also bothers me.

Yes, random attacks happen. Yes, motive is not always legally required. But from a common-sense perspective, when four people are killed in such a personal and violent way, the absence of a clear connection between the accused and the victims is not something I can just ignore.

If he was obsessed with one of them, where is the strong evidence of that?
If he targeted the house, why that house?
If this was planned, why was it so sloppy in some ways?
If it was random, why does the theory still rely so heavily on assumed targeting?

That is my issue. The case seems to shift depending on what question is being asked.

When people talk about planning, they say he was calculated.

When people talk about mistakes, they say he was an amateur.

When people talk about motive, they say motive does not matter.

When people talk about the lack of a connection, they say he could have been stalking them.

When people talk about limited transfer evidence, they say he cleaned everything perfectly.

When people talk about the sheath, they say it proves everything.

But if someone is smart enough to leave almost nothing behind in his car or home, why is he careless enough to leave the most incriminating object at the scene?

And if he was careless enough to leave that sheath, why is the rest of the physical evidence not stronger?

That contradiction is hard for me to get past.

I’m not saying the sheath means nothing. It matters. I’m not saying the phone evidence means nothing. It matters. I’m not saying the car evidence means nothing. It matters.

But my problem is that each piece seems to raise another question instead of fully answering the last one.

A strong case should become clearer the more you examine it. This one, at least to me, becomes more complicated.

Another thing I struggle with is how much of the public’s certainty seems to come from trust in the investigation itself.

People say, “The FBI and police obviously checked everything.”

I understand why people say that. I’m sure a lot of work went into this case. I’m not saying investigators did nothing. I’m not saying everyone involved was corrupt. I’m not saying there has to be some giant conspiracy.

But investigations are not perfect.

Tunnel vision is real.
Confirmation bias is real.
Pressure in a massive public case is real.
Mistakes happen.
Evidence can be interpreted through a theory once a suspect is identified.

That does not mean BK is innocent.

But it does mean I’m not comfortable treating the official theory like it is beyond questioning just because it is the official theory.

I also think people need to separate emotional certainty from evidentiary certainty.

This case is horrific. The victims deserve justice. Their families deserve answers. Everyone wants someone held accountable.

But wanting closure is not the same thing as having proof.

And questioning whether the right person was charged is not disrespecting the victims. In my opinion, it is the opposite. If the case has unanswered questions, then asking those questions matters because the truth matters.

I also do not like when people act like anyone questioning the case is automatically defending BK personally.

I am not defending him as a person.
I do not know him.
I do not care about making him look good.
I care about whether the case makes sense.

There is a difference between defending a suspect and questioning whether the evidence proves guilt beyond reasonable doubt.

That is the whole point of reasonable doubt.

Reasonable doubt does not mean “prove someone else did it.”
Reasonable doubt does not mean “have a perfect alternate theory.”
Reasonable doubt does not mean “ignore all evidence against the accused.”

Reasonable doubt means the state’s version has to be strong enough, consistent enough, and complete enough to leave no reasonable uncertainty about guilt.

And for me, based on what is publicly known, I still have reasonable uncertainty.

I have questions about the lack of a clear connection.
I have questions about the motive.
I have questions about the timeline.
I have questions about the transfer evidence.
I have questions about the physical logistics.
I have questions about how much of the narrative is proven versus assumed.
I have questions about whether the public has actually seen the strongest evidence or mostly a theory built around selected pieces.

Again, I am not saying BK is proven innocent.

I am saying I do not think the public case has fully proven he did it beyond reasonable doubt.

So I’m asking honestly:

What is the strongest evidence that makes you believe BK absolutely did it?

Not insults.
Not “you’re crazy.”
Not “the police know more than us.”
Not “he looks guilty.”
Not “there is no one else.”

I mean actual evidence.

What is the one thing that removes reasonable doubt for you?

YOU GUYS ARE SO GUN HO OVER A GOVERNMENT THAT ALSO KILLED GOOD MEN LIKE CHARLIE JS tho

I’ve been deep in the Idaho 4 discussions for a long time, and even after Kohberger’s plea and life sentences last year, the skepticism in this community hasn’t died down one bit. A huge portion of people who actually dig into the case and refuse to swallow the mainstream story believe the official lone-wolf account has massive holes that were never properly addressed. The more details keep leaking out, documents surface, families speak, and the leak investigations drag on, the harder it is for a lot of us to believe nothing bigger is still going to come to light or that we have anything close to the full truth.
Genuinely curious — what do the people here who are after real answers think actually happened that night?
In these uncensored spaces, the dominant view is that Kohberger almost certainly didn’t act alone. Too many things don’t line up for one random criminology student pulling off a quadruple stabbing across different rooms with that level of precision and escape. A lot of us are convinced there were accomplices — either helping plan it, present at the scene, or covering tracks afterward. The community keeps circling back to how conveniently the focus narrowed onto him while other obvious connections got sidelined.
The surviving roommates’ behavior is one of the biggest red flags that keeps getting called out. The delayed 911 call, what they claim to have seen and heard versus the physical reality of that house and the violence that occurred, and the overall timeline just doesn’t sit right with most skeptics here. Many straight-up believe they know more than they’ve ever publicly admitted or that their statements were shaped to fit the narrative once Kohberger became the target.
Evidence-wise, the community is highly skeptical of how much weight was put on that single touch DNA on the knife sheath while other details (car sightings that weren’t unique, phone data that can be interpreted multiple ways, and the lack of stronger forensic links) got less scrutiny. The defense floated real alternate perpetrators with actual ties to the victims and the area, but that got shut down fast. For a lot of people here, that just reinforces the feeling that the investigation locked in early and ignored inconvenient angles.
Motive remains the giant unanswered question that fuels the most skepticism. Random thrill kill with zero clear reason? Or was this targeted at specific victims or the house for reasons tied to their social circle, activities, or something else that never got aired out? Plenty in the community think the full context around the victims and their lives was deliberately downplayed or unexplored.
Even after the plea, the skepticism is stronger than ever. Families are split, Kohberger’s sister spoke out, the gag order lift brought more questions than answers, and the ongoing leak probe shows how much information was flying around behind the scenes. With all of that still unfolding more than a year later, it feels impossible for many of us to accept that this is wrapped up cleanly with one guy in prison and no further accountability or revelations.
I’m not here pushing any single theory, but I want to hear from the rest of the community that’s stayed skeptical: What parts of this case make you most convinced the official story is incomplete or misleading? Accomplices? Botched investigation? Targeted for specific reasons? Which inconsistencies or ignored leads stand out the most to you? Let’s get the real takes out in the open.

I was just thinking about it randomly, do people write to BK? if they do does he get to read it and would he write back? just wondering

A different footprint here - Who has this picture?

Did Payne unknowingly confirm that Molly’s “tan sedan” was actually MPD’s silver Ford Fusion on patrol?

On 11/23/22 Molly told Detective Payne she saw a tan sedan while delivering DoorDash at 1122 King Road.

Teshdahl & Rosendahl were on plain clothes patrol in the silver Ford Fusion officially until 3:52 AM, but actually until 5:00 AM.

The 1112 King Road camera captured the tan sedan at 3:53 AM and then at least 5–8 more passes in the next 30+ minutes while the MPD car was still out.

The next day, Payne tested the same silver Ford Fusion on Queen Road. In his report he stated: “The lights appeared to make the silver vehicle look tanner in color than it would under white street lights.”

As we can clearly see, the MPD Ford Fusion looks very similar to SV1.

How many of those passes were actually the MPD car? Was SV1 as they claim ever even there?

Has anyone been able to figure out who the person in this supp is ?

That report is WILD and i haven't heard anyone identify this guy who snuck into King Rd after following the girls there after their shift at Mad Greek.

He's also got Norman Bates vibes who says when his Mom yells at him he goes to the college because "the college is to blame for the way his Mom is"

It sounds kind of like this guy hung out with the daughter of the previous owner of King Rd.

hi, can anyone tell me what is the year of the blue honda civic of xana? sorry for the english

Are there records that have been released on the router from 1122? Once you connect to someone’s Wi-Fi at their house - doesn’t it automatically connect when you are there again? Just curious….

Slow the video down to 50x Speed - You'll hear everything!

This is great news for tax payers, the public and bad news for corruption on all levels.

Hope all these pedos and sex traffickers cloaked under "law enforcement" get EXPOSED!

One thing that I'm still wrestling with on this book. Yes, it brings up a lot of inconsistencies and overlooks in the investigation. I've yet to hear anything truly definitive that leads me to believe that BK didn't commit these crimes though. The autopsy and lack of consistency with the K-bar is what gives me most pause, but why didn't his legal team latch on to these things? I'm just confused. Why did he just lay down and take this if he didn't do it? Why not attempt a defense?

The first chapter talks about looking at the evidence against BK, but it never really got deep into the evidence against BK. It just highlighted the inconsistencies in the friends stories. Dont take this as me challenging what seems to be the popular narrative on this sub, I'm just confused as to what you're hearing that I'm not.

What have you all heard that I didn't hear in the book/other material? I could obviously be missing something.

I just find it strange that BK would take a plea on this due to a death penalty possibility and be so passive in the fact that people are convinced he committed these crimes, when he actually didn't. Like where is the fight in him on this? I'm just having a hard time with this one. I do want to understand where people are coming from though.