u/Miguels_Ohara

Ive been reading the 2099 comics on my way to work >!||(ik rare, a redditor has an actual job lol)||!< But as i read on and digest the opinions of everyone abt the supporting cast across platforms, I genuinely wonder why it seems like some people tend to hate dana a lot, or at least hold her more accountable for what happened rather than miguel??

like I get it, Dana went from dating gabriel, to cheating on him with his brother (while his brother was also in a relationship), to somehow being in a relationship with Tyler stone, but the scrutiny i tend to see where people call her all types of wh-res, sl-ts, social climbers, etc, when miguel is just as guilty for what happened is nuts to me 😭

(this isnt a miguel hate post bc, look at my account username...just a genuine question.)

So, I know ive made posts slandering and voicing my disappointment regarding Miguel in ATSV, and in this sub its become a common trend to shit on his 'adaptation' because of how the public now receives his character as either just a glorified rule34 porn result with little to no regard for his character, or a racist homophobic (somehow) transphobe (somehow) whos lying and grooming everyone into a death cult

However, Upon reflection and seeing how the wider spider-man fandom treats miguel in comparison to miles i start to realize why Miguel had to be the antagonist of the 2nd movie.

Basically throughout me leaving the astv fandom and peaking around the corner to see what the spider-man fandom at large feels abt both miles and miguel, I kept seeing that everyone kept trying to downplay miles in some way shape and form and even tho some of the critiques were valid like

"his current comic line sucks" (everyone's kinda sucks rn but we move)

"miles clings to heavily on peters storylines in order to stay relevent"

"he doesn't feel like his own character nor a successor to the spider-man name"

but when the miles stans are like "okay then who is???"

they all kept talking about miguel o'hara, saying that since he exists long after a time where peter is dead, has a different power set than peter, different fighting style than peter, and a different mentality than peter, (while being a man of color), despite being created to be a subversion of peter parker, fans still hail him as one of the better characters when it comes to the "other spider-men"

Which is ironic because Miles is in the same spot Miguel is in, because he too has different powers in comparison to peter, exists in an era where peter is dead (in the movie OG peter dies saving Miles), and has a different mindset compared to Peter (in the sense that he's an extreme optimist and has rejected the "you cant do both" mentality his peers have tried to force onto him)

It's obvious that Miguel and Miles are supposed to be mirrors to one another, since they both are spider-men that were introduced to shake up the spider-man mythos. And it kinda works since they both had a back in forth in the movie over who is and isnt supposed to be spider-man, meanwhile they both have strayed so far from the peter parker mantle (and even have been able to surpass it in some areas), so in the end it comes off as just hypocritical to reject 1 while hyperglazing the other.

and this has also came to fruition for me after seeing miles fans try to say that miguel is somehow "not a true spider-man" with reasons that just boil down to "waaaa i dont like what he did to miles waaaa" while weaponizing the SAME POINT og peter parker fans have used to shit on miles

and while I get the "why dont they just use Doc-Oc / Superior Spider-man" point, I feel like people wouldn't get the metaphor as much if the person who says "you're not supposed to be spider-man" was a genuine villain thats trapped inside his enemy's body...

Hopefully this won't get down voted to all hell...

Tl:Dr- He's supposed to mirror Miles for he too is someone that was introduced to do something different for the spider-man brand.

the miguel doomsday is upon us...

Since we all like to rag on atsv miguel, here's a question.

Let's say, you were able to go back in time and you somehow became one of the writers for the spider-verse movies. What would be the things you'd suggest you fix Miguel's portrayal in the movie?

I still love atsv miguel a lot, but after reading the comics more and more and seeing clips like this, im starting to realize HOW MUCH of a royal fumble this is

its very interesting how everyone kinda skipped over the part that there *are* such thing as a good canon event when it comes to miguel, but will act like canon events are just the worst possible things happening to you just bc plot.

not to say that Miguel's logic is 100% sound bc the movie clearly points that he could be wrong, but it gets annoying how he just gets painted as a hater, and the canon events being treated like the worst things ever just because a lot of people have a bias AGAINST miguel.

It's being rumored that we will get our first look at Beyond the Spider-Verse during the San Diego Comic Con this Friday, and this will most likely include a look at how Miguel O'hara is gonna be portrayed in this new installment.

So how are we feeling? Hopeful? A sense of Dread? Please tell me!

(in my personal opinion, I feel like they are ultimately taking the long way around, having him make the 'wrong decision' and him seeing the ramifications of that before ultimately helping miles and the gang but maybe im just too hopeful sigh)