u/MoonFacedJoyAssassin

If you hate Trump, believe me, I get it. What I can't get behind is people throwing away their ability to reason and think out of pure hatred for him. During the 4th I was hanging out with some folks, and obviously things turned to politics briefly.

They were proud to say they believe literally any negative thing they hear about Trump and other MAGA figures without evidence because they hate him so much. It was like they wanted me to pat them on the back for having good boy opinions; it was creepy and honestly pathetic. Hate him for the many verifiable reasons that exist instead of acting like children who have to make up things about people they don't like.

Usually one of a few things happen, lemme know if I missed any:

1. They just outright refuse to admit they messed up, up to and including lying about it or downplaying the severity

2. They make it someone else's fault ("You confused me," "They distracted me")

3. They pull a wounded deer gambit/get mad and make the discussion about how bad you're making them feel by bringing it up

4. They pull a collective guilt and try to make it everyone's fault

5. They bring up something totally unrelated that someone else did wrong in the past to deflect

The end result is usually the men in their lives taking accountability somehow for them.

For fun, count how many people use these exact plots in the comments below.

Edit:

6. Trying to bend language in such a way that redefines what being wrong is

7. Trying to discredit you as someone beneath them and not worthy of acknowledging fault to

Look, I'm an older guy and I came out late in life. When I was growing up, it was all about "Love is love" and wanting to be like everyone else. I came out right around the time things started changing post-Obergfell, but these days it is.... very much not what it used to be. People both online and irl seem to want to make it their entire personality and almost revel in being the most out-there weirdos they can manage to be. I just want to fuck men sometimes, I don't want to walk around with a rainbow unicorn dildo on my head or parade around in drag, leather and fishnets so everyone can see what a special little minority I am. It seems increasingly difficult to find normal people in the community to the point where I have a hard time wanting to be a part of it anymore.

The Karmelo Anthony trial is only the latest example. The trial lasted all of 5 minutes this kid was so guilty, and yet his family was able to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars and people still defend him entirely because of the color of his and his victim's skin.

That's not to mention how it's an open secret that the way you get black people to vote for a politician is by running a black politician, or that they often ask for segregation of all things like black-only spaces.

Don't get me wrong, I get it. America did some fucked up shit. But we have spent decades and decades trying to make things better, but for some people it will never be enough.

Stop being scared of speaking up and start calling this shit out wherever you see it. If they call you a racist for it, they weren't ever on your side to begin with.

I'm sick of waking up one day and finding a sub I previously used to enjoy suddenly over-run by bot accounts that shift the entire focus of the place overnight. It would be nice to have a place that can confirm percentages of bot accounts so you can confirm when it is happening and unsub accordingly.

I voted for Joe in 2020 and Kamala in 2024 to get/keep Trump out. Pretty much no other reason. The fact that he did such a poor job that we got Trump back, only for everyone to circle the wagons around that old fossil is almost comical.

He ignored the border until it became obvious it was going to hurt him in the election.

An election he heavily implied he wouldn't run in, because he let everyone think he was going to be a one term President.

Pardoned everyone involved with the Covid response so we will never have justice.

Pardoned his failson after promising he wouldn't and letting the media run cover for the laptop story, which ended up being true.

Weaseled out of being prosecuted for the same document issues Trump was because "he's just a harmless old man."

Constantly gaslit the country about how great the economy was when it was running on fumes and prayers.

Tried to convince everyone his brain didn't melt on tv during the debate after previously calling other videos "cheapfakes."

And generally was basically a rubber stamp President for whatever wacky nonsense his party wanted.

And that's without getting in to all the other things he's done throughout his political career that paint him in a bad light.

Even compared to the shambling chaos that is Trump, Biden has been the worst President I have suffered through in my life, and I'm sick of sycophants running cover for him.

Edit: It's sad but not unexpected that the usual suspects immediately jump to "you're lying/in a cult." This is why you keep losing.

I'm sure everyone has seen what I'm talking about.

You'll be having a back and forth with someone, maybe it's an argument or maybe not. Then you make what is a fairly obvious, straightforward point that the other person clearly disagrees with.

In response, rather than continue the conversation, you watch as all the intelligence behind the previous talks evaporates, and suddenly they are incapable of putting 2 and 2 together, remembering well known details or extrapolating from obvious implications.

It's extremely annoying and poisons dialogue, but it seems to have become the final refuge of those who have no further argument

Edit: For a silly but universal example-

Person A: Don't eat a single cookie while I'm gone.

Person B: Okay

Person A leaves, Person B eats all the cookies, Person A returns

Persona A: Wtf, I told you not to eat the cookies.

Person B: What? You told me not to eat a single cookie, so I ate more than one. You really should have explained better, I didnt understand!

cookie eating grin

A short but sweet one. Delibird is a somewhat well known pokemon famous for delivering presents to people, but everyone says its name like "deli-bird" like he's gonna make me a foot long sub. Saying it like it rhymes with "delivered" both makes sense for it and is possibly how it was originally intended to be said by the localizers.

Basically title.

I never voted for him and don't particularly like him, but wow, he could never be as bad as Democrats claim he is. All the shady things they've done to try (and fail) to being him down just paint more and more of a picture that the left is willing to break all the rules and sacrifice all their supposed beliefs to take this one man down.

One man who, again, has not been the Turbo Satan I was repeatedly told he was. I'd even go so far as to say he's a bad President and a worse man, but honestly, I was made to believe it would be so much worse that this actually seems relatively fine. Makes me wonder why the Democrats/Left felt the need to destroy every shred of trust and dignity they had trying to stop him.

Somehow everyone forgets about this.

It apparently wasn't our responsibility to throw billions of dollars of resources and cash at Ukraine when Russia annexed Crimea. Even though it was obvious Russia would eventually want to expand further, we did nothing about it. Now, years later, there are Russians fully entrenched in the Crimea area, and Ukraine refuses any settlement that wont get them Crimea back, which has turned the whole thing into a new meat grinder forever war. And of course, Biden was VP at the time, but somehow neither Obama or he catch any criticism about their poor decisions leading us here, when this was some textbook "Peace in our time" bs.

As is custom: NOT ALL WOMEN.

The issue is you all know what I'm talking about. Obviously women deserve rights and equality the same as men, the problem is that some women very visibly like to intentionally give up their agency when it suits them.

"I'm just a girl," type stuff, or pretending they don't know how to do something so a man will come save them, or acting like their arms are just so so weak when it's time to lift something, or how women can make their own money but still want a man to provide for them, or claiming women can totally intuit you're a creep based on vibes but then dates a serial abuser because "how could she have known!"

This hypocrisy between what feminism says women want and how SOME garden variety women act is a huge part of the problem, especially when you factor in the women are wonderful effect and women's greater in-group bias, meaning a lot of people (men and women) are willing to give them a pass or make excuses for bad behavior.

What the title said. I don't think anyone but politicians are happy about the price of gas right now, but prices were this bad twice in my life before, both previous times under Dem Presidents. They've gone down before, they will go down again, and it's annoying that anybody only cares when it's their opponent in office.

Disclaimer: I have very mixed opinions about abortion and don't fall cleanly into either pro-life or pro-choice, this is merely an observation from the middle

1. Covid showed your bodily autonomy only extends as far as society is comfortable letting it

2. The same people who used to say "My body, my choice" like a religious mantra abandoned it the second it applied to literally anything else

3. But the most damning one is something I'm sure you've all seen: they turn around and use pro-life arguments against the men. "Oh, you knew there were consequences to your actions and now you want to get out of it" and "The baby's rights are more important" kinda stuff. If you talk to someone who's pro-choice it seems to only be a matter of time before they drop a line straight out of the religious fundy playbook but genderflipped.

This makes it very hard to take their arguments seriously, at times, when it seems like the only autonomy they care about is the bodily autonomy to get an abortion.

Edit: I feel like some of the people attempting to steelman the pro-choice/covid response side are missing the point that this is largely an optics issue, and that many of them are also kind of proving my points to some degree. I appreciate how chill a lot of ya'll have been though.

Edit 2: Conscription is another, similar issue I think is worth bringing up as well.