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Okay so I put a post out yesterday with my DA score for Sweeper (23K, now only less than 200 away from 25k) and as we know he has a long ass stun window. I started doing stupid shit to try and get to that 25k threshold with my current team and builds and I think I found a cool optimisation.

So I as I understand it the most popular stun rotation for Pyrois (Assuming you team them with Norma) is: EBA -> Switch into Norma/other teammate and trigger chain -> Pyrois chain -> EBA -> Switch and trigger chain -> Pyrois chain -> Top branch Ult -> EBA -> Norma held basic -> Pyrois chain into totalise.

Thing is I like to use a different one, instead of doing Pyrois ult after the second chain, I do it at the beginning after the first EBA. Because I’m building decibels actively from my attacks during the rest of the stun window, I’m left with a decent amount of decibels left over after the totalise which helps with consistently having two ults ready per stun. I’ve tested both ult rotations and I haven’t seen any significant difference in damage so I’ve just used the one I prefer. That’s not what I’m talking about though.

I found a new rotation for sweeper in specific (or I guess any regular DA boss that might have the same stun length), where instead of doing Top branch first or after the second chain attack, you do one regular chain and then do the top branch ult instead of doing the second regular chain: EBA -> Swap to other character and trigger chain -> Top branch ult -> Switch to Norma and do her held basic -> Pyrois chain -> EBA + Switch to Norma -> Dump her EX special until half of the resource bar is full -> Ult -> Held basic to trigger Pyrois chain -> Totalise.

Assuming you have Norma’s resource bar full going into the stun, if you’re quick and do the top branch ult before you go into the grey bar, you’ll have enough time to do use Norma’s resource, build her bar up again and then trigger another chain attack before ulting, plus, top branch’s ult crit damage increase is team wide so Norma’s ult does a bigger chunk of damage. The timing is really strict but hey, a score increase is a score increase. I did some testing and with my build and how I play, I’m going into the first stun with usually late into the 6000s or 7000 score, and with those two first rotations I end the rotation usually 7.9k - 8.1/8.2k score on average, but then with that rotation I just listed I consistently ended with 8.9 to around 9.1k score. In regular DA that isn’t usually a big increase but I feel like in Hard DA a close to 1k score increase could like, make or break getting two or three stars.

It’s technically still three Pyrois chain attacks, but even when I tried the first rotations and added in a Norma ult before the totalise, that one still ends up doing more damage. Don’t know why exactly because my brain is fried from playing this boss over and over for the last hour.

Obviously people might have found this out already or found a better way to spend resources, but considering I haven’t seen any Pyrois gameplay for this boss yet I have no frame of reference. So even if this ‘tech’ is useless, eh whatever, I just wanted to talk about it. Feel free to call me a dumbass, a fraud, a larper or any other terms of phrase to insult my intelligence.

I’ll comment my Norma and Pyrois builds so you can see what I’m working with. But before I get the comments: Yes I know my Pyrois needs more crit rate and crit damage, yes I know my Norma is overcapping crit rate with the 2 piece woodpecker. I’m just building two other characters up at the moment so I need my battery and stuff for them and their discs, so I’m happy with these two just being functional.

Can any Pyrois players who’ve three starred this tell me where I’m going wrong? Maybe show me your builds, since I feel like my Pyrois isn’t where they should be.

On a side note, how is the adversity boss more fun than both of the other bosses you can run Pyrois into? Ye shiyuan has come up in so many DA’s that he’s just a bore to fight now and Miasma priest is just an annoying, flaky piece of shit where I somehow end up flinging myself across the arena even when they’re standing still. Genuinely such a painful experience to fight priest 😭

*52k actually, the app just hasn’t updated the scores

Feel like I really should be getting a higher score than this because of my investments (M4W2 Pyrois, M2W1 Norma, M2W1 Zhao) but I’m stumped, genuinely.

I say M4 Pyrois but their M4 does jack shit so really it’s just M3.

I have an inkling it IS because of my builds, both my Norma and my Pyrois aren’t in the ideal places I want them to be, but it very well might just be a skill issue. When my score started sky rocketing consistently on Pompey it’s because I figured out the proper methods to his stun rotations, but I feel like this boss’s rotations are cut and dry. I’m consistently hitting two ults every stun rotation so it feels like I don’t exactly have any wriggle room to push the score up.

It also is a problem that I can’t take full advantage of BIW for my Zhao because parries are so far and few between for this boss, so I’m only ever working with one stack (Which is only a 6% team wide DMG buff) and I know what the fix would be. I’m not getting value out of it so I should use a different 4-set for this DA. I can’t 😭 I need to use all my battery to finish my Velina build, level up Remielle, Vivian, SAnby AND Orphie, I don’t have the resources to farm for better discs.

I also tried swapping my goat Zhao out for Sunna, but they scored similarly on the best of my Sunna runs so I just swapped Zhao back in.

Has anyone with more score than me found out any fun tech or anything to get more damage out of this boss? Or is my sub-optimal build genuinely the cause of my suffering?

I can just say I got 48k and no one would judge me right?

Tbf I think in the last three seconds, had I just used my Pyrois’s held basic instead of trying for an ult I would’ve gotten the 48k but it’s 13 points off so I can’t be judged for saying it basically is 48k

I think theoretically speaking had I all my Pyrois’s and Norma’s abilities almost maxed/maxed (Basics, specials, Ex, etc.) I might be able to get to 50k. We’ve still got over a week left so maybe if I spend all my battery on grinding skill upgrades rather than discs, I might level them up to the point where 50k is 100% achievable. We’ll see.

How’ve ya’ll felt about this DA so far?

My new DA score hasn’t updated yet: My new best is 44,985 but the optimal rotations for getting a higher score are so god damn weird, so this could improve, could not, it’s a little difficult.

If I optimise my rotations, optimise both my Norma and Pyrois…M0W1 Norma 50k…It’s there, I can feel it, but I plan on spending money to get Norma M2 before her banner ends and my disc luck right now is so terrible — I don’t have tons of energy either to grind discs with so I doubt I’ll even get to see if 50k with 1 cost Norma and 0 cost Pyrois is even possible (Yes I know Pyrois is M2 and you get his wengine, but you get those for free so I don’t count that as ‘cost’)

Am I even using those terms right? They’re so confusing to me. M0W1 Norma is one cost right? Two cost? Someone correct me if I’m wrong.

I’m really happy with this score. Basically 43k with an unoptimal Norma (My core is at E, only one of my skills is over 7, I’m missing a couple hundred attack, ~20 crit damage and I’m two crit rate rolls away from max crit rate.)

My disc 5 is absolutely horrid, I got really unlucky with the PEN ratio main stat discs I had. Yeah, I said PEN, not Atk% or fire damage%. Unironically I’ve been doing better with the PEN stat than my Atk% and Fire dmg% discs with betters subs.

Considering my Norma is M0W1 and still needs a little improvement, I’m happy with this score. Also in my last post I was talking about Norma pushing my Girt score to 40k but as I’ve figured out, Girt is a terrible boss for her. So I switched to Thrall and I was doing much better.

Unironically I’ve tried multiple attempts with Sunna instead of Zhao…And no matter what way around I do my rotations with Sunna, Zhao is just performing way better. Like, a good couple thousand score better every time. M2 Zhao is somehow better than M3 Sunna for this comp. So not only does this team genuinely perform well, these three characters also synergise well AND are my favourite characters!

I’m not the best player ever, so if any of you are running a similar team (Main attacker Pyrois, Sub-dps Norma, and a support) but doing way better than me, I’d like to hear about what your builds and rotations look like.

Lowkey this is a rough rotation, we got an ATK buff but there’s no Ether weak bosses this time around.

I actually managed to push this to 36,082 after I fleshed out my rotations against Girt but I think that’s my cap until Norma drops tomorrow. I’ve got a bunch of discs ready for her, like twenty-five batteries and I’ve not done my notorious hunts yet for her. If I can properly build her I’ll hopefully be able to push my score to 40k.

How are you folks doing and do you plan on nabbing norma for Pyrois?

After I hit the 42k I stopped practicing the fight, as that was probably my best performance and it’d take ages to get even remotely close to it.

Plus, I dunno, Marionette felt like a weird boss to fight icl. Still though, I’m proud of it considering this is actually the highest score I’ve ever gotten, period.

Here’s hoping we get a good Atk character buff in this next rotation.

Can’t wait for Norma to try her out with Pyrois.

My app wasn’t refreshing my stats, but from last night until now, I’ve actually managed to get 41k after being stuck trying to figure out how I got 39k.

I’m proud of the 2k score increase but I feel like as of now there’s not much else I can do to increase it. I could probably get both my Zhao and Pyrois to F core skills but I doubt that’ll make my score skyrocket because they’re already almost maxed out. I’m working on min-maxing my Pyrois, I still wanna get a bit more AtK and get my crit rate to 80 so their Wengine edges it up to 100%.

I can’t wait for Norma’s banner, she’s going to be so fun with Pyrois. If we’re lucky and Pyrois’s M4/6 give them extra decibels on Quick assists or something related, with Norma enabling Pyrois’s Synergy you could probably get a crazy amount of ults in one stun window.

Maybe ‘crazy’ is Hyperbole but atleast from what I’ve seen and tested, the max amount of ults Pyrois can get in one stun window is two. But with Norma there’s hope you’d be able to weasel in three ults.