u/MultiVerseBeans

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The Senate passed a budget bill (90-6) and inside of it is a clause that extends the close down date by 30 days. Which would change it to Dec 11th.

Sen. Ted Budd (R-NC) tried to stop it, but the senate voted to table his amendment(61-32).

The bill is currently at the white house.

Synthetic cannabinoids will still be banned in Nov, which I'm ok with.

This is a step in the right direction, but we need to proceed with the same mindset as before.

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

If this actually gets signed I'll post an update.

hey everyone

Today marks 99 days until we shut down unless the new law changes.

There are rumors of an extension or changes, but nothing factual that matters has happened yet.

I've can't put into words how much I appreciate everyone being a part of my journey.

To enter, say why you are thankful for being alive today. I'll pick 3 random winners to get some seeds and stickers.

Contest will end on at 8 am pst 8/7. around 24 hours from now.

We reviewed 4638 emails from April 1st until today(7/14).

Of those emails, a grand total of 27 unique emails from growers who had "flowering" issues.

We went strain by strain and compared “issues” to how many seeds we’ve sold or given away

With that being said, I think we can all agree the following is true:

1. Not everyone has grown their seeds yet.
2. Some people had issues and never emailed us.
3. Many people had zero issues and never emailed us.

With that being said, if it was a whole batch of seeds that got messed up, I expect to see a significantly higher amount of emails for the affected strain(s).

We found the following data points:

• Twilight Princess photo: 1 report out of 10,000+ seeds, no plant age, no pics, no reply to our follow-up. With no data, we can’t say if it was a true issue or just early preflower / stress.

• Blood Moon photo: 1 report out of 10,000+ seeds, no plant age, no pics, no reply to our follow-up. With no data, we can’t say if it was a true issue or just early preflower / stress.

• Sundae Driver photo: 4 reports out of 5,500+ seeds.

• Green Crack photo: 4 reports out of 5,000+ seeds.

• Zkittlez photo: 2 reports out of 15,000+ seeds.

• HSC Squirt photo: 2 reports out of 1,500+ seeds.

• Frosted Banana Jelly photo: 1 report out of 4,000+ seeds (3 plants in the same tent, only 1 behaved oddly).

• HSC PPD photo: 1 report out of 5,000+ seeds.

• Gelonade photo: 1 report out of 4,000+ seeds.

• GDP auto: 2 reports out of 10,000+ seeds.

• MVG Crimson Sun Auto: 7 reports, out of 50,000+ seeds total, all from the latest batch.

• On reddit Bruce Banner photo: 2 reports out of 4,300 seeds+

On top of this, we saw the normal stuff any seed shop sees at scale: pre-flowering, light/timer mistakes, over/underwatering, and first‑time growers misreading plants.

Those do NOT automatically mean a bad batch.

We are not perfect. We do make mistakes. That’s why we saw down, pulled data and reviewed it, instead of going off vibes.

We will log every verifiable case and publish updated counts so everyone can see real numbers, not rumors.

When we see a real pattern, we will make it right with replacements or swaps for affected customers.

If the data ever shows we actually screwed up a batch, we will fix it on our dollar and ship new seeds to everyone affected from that batch.

If you have an auto or photo from us that truly did not flower as expected, please email support so we can log it, research it and make it right.

The last thing I want is for anyone to say they had a bad experience with us.

Hey Gang

Just didn't want y'all to think we aren't working on it.

I've been working on this for a while now and it's still a work in process.

I am auditing all emails from the last 3 months for any issues with Auto or photo seeds so we can make it right.

As you can imagine, there is a lot of emails to go through so this will take more time than you and I would like it to.

I have no estimate of when it will be done, but we are working on it as fast as we can.

The plan is simple

1. audit emails to find issue(s)
2. audit orders to find commonalities
3. Make it right.

I’m going to lock this thread so I can stay focused on fixing this.

I will post an update once we know more.

/u/toungepunckedpetunia requested that we answer some questions.

I'm just going to turn this into an AMA so anyone can ask a question.

FAQ

1. Question:
Did some growers get photo seeds that contained auto seeds?

Answer:

Yes, we fucked up. I am sorry.

I know this affected your grow personally and that's not ok.
We will make it right with you, and we have improved our processes so that doesn't happen again.

We've added an additional check step in our SOPs so this doesn't happen again.

I'm super embarrassed about it, this is the first time in over 5 years this has happened. It won't happen again.

If this did happen to you, please email us.

2. Question:
Are your preservation seeds white labeled?

Answer:

No. Lets agree on the definition so we are on the same page.
I define white label as "A product or service is created by one company (the producer) and bought by another company (the marketer), which then rebrands it to look as if they made it themselves."

We buy seeds from Atlas and resell them in our packaging with the exact strain name and lineage that is on the order sheet.

We have on the website and put on reddit that Atlas is the breeder for these seeds.

We do not re label anything that is not sold to us as is.

We are transparent about who makes the seeds.

If we did not disclose the lineage, OR made the lineage/strain name up, then that would be white labeling.

To the best of my knowledge, the seeds you are purchasing in the preservation line are strains we name on the label.

3. Question:
Which breeders actually produce the genetics you sell, and which ones are white labeled or exclusive to MVB?

Answer:
Any genetics we sell come directly from the breeder.

None of the seeds are white labeled.
Preservation line seeds is made by Atlas Seed, and we repackage them, with their blessing and give them credit.
MVG we have a contract with a farm and they do not want their name to be public.
Not everyone wants to be in the spotlight and we have to respect their boundaries.
None are exclusive other than MVG. You can find the seeds used in the preservation line on other seed banks, and on Atlas' website.

4. Question:
Do you personally grow and evaluate the genetics you sell, or do you rely on breeder descriptions and customer feedback?

Answer:
No, I am not a breeder and never claimed to be one. We have over 2000 strains it'd be impossible to do that.

We rely on breeders descriptions and customer feedback.

5. Question: If a line consistently receives poor feedback or shows excessive phenotype variation, what criteria do you use to remove it from your catalog?

Answer:
I'm going to assume you mean, strains that should be uniform that aren't. Not strains that are sold as having more variation.

First, lets define that poor feed back means.
Poor feedback is when something preforms in a way you did not anticipate.
But, context matters and I like to use extreme numbers to prove my point.

What is the sample size?
if we sold 50 packs of blood moon and 50 people said it hermed, that's terrible and it should be put into the trash never to see the light of day again.
Even then, that is a small sample size, but it does indicate that something is wrong so we'd pull it.
100% herm rate.

If we sold 5 million packs of bood moon, and 50 people said it hermed, that's 0.001% of herms, which is totally within an acceptable range.
Any cannabis plant has the chance to herm and does so for 2 main reasons.
Grower skill and genetics.
I don't personally care where the fault lies, we fix the issues with the customer so they have a good experience.
Then we take note of the strains that have reports and stop selling them if enough issues come up.

If we receive undesirable feedback about anything, we fix it.
One person having a bad experience with us is to many.

As you scale in ecomm, mistakes happen more often because of the volume.
if we only had 1 order a day, we would get them right all time.

Due to the volume of orders we get, we do make mistakes and it sucks. No one does it on purpose, and we feel like shit when we do.

But, we do always make the mistake(s) right.

We want you to be happy, and it is an honor and privilege for you to buy your seeds from us. You are quite literally a part of my dream.

6. Question: Are you willing to disclose the lineage and breeding work behind every MVB exclusive line you sell, or are there cases where customers simply have to trust the label?

Answer:
Sure.
We have the lineage up on the website under each MVG strain now.

As for the breeding work. I'm not a breeder and never claimed to be one, that's why I outsourced it.
I told the breeder that we want good, uniform genetics and they used their parental seed stock to make us some strains that I am proud of.

I wanted something that I'd be proud of to put in my tent personally.

We have as much say in the matter as we can, and we communicate with the breeder about how the process is going.
At the end of the day, they are the expert in breeding and I trust their judgement.
We have a lot of people who have had great experiences with MVG, so I'll let their positive experiences speak for us instead of me saying they are the best.
Every drug dealer you buy from always has the best supply right?
I prefer to let the seeds do the talking.

7. Question: Specifically Who bred Cosmic Candy, Purple Rim , Twilight Princess and Blood Moon? What are their linages?

Answer: We have a contract with the breeder and can't disclose who makes them. Not everyone wants to be in the spotlight.

Lineages for each strain are on the website.
Cosmic candy is not one of our strains.

8. Question:
Why did you remove the lineage on the website if you had them the whole time?

Answer:
Because being a business owner is fucking hard.
Being an ecomm business owner is way harder.
being an ecomm business owner in a restricted space is nightmare mode.

Our website is hosted on pantheon, which is a bitch and a half to host on. But it's super secure.

It's made for security because some loser(s) attack seed vendors websites frequently.

Because it's so secure, there are multiple staging servers that the updates have to flow though, and we have a lot of custom code.

We are also very aggressive at updating our website, so sometimes data will get shown in places it shouldn't, or code just won't work as intended. We won't know that because the test environments and live environments is different. And we can only fix things when we know they are problems.

In this particular situation, the lineage either got cut off from the product description, or outdated text was showing when we were trying to edit the product description to read better.

9. Question:
Why are you on Parthenon if it's such a pain in the ass?

Answer:

Ours website used to get attacked a lot and go down, then we took measures to prevent that.

Ours, Night owl, Speed Run, and Atlas, all of get attacked, and I'm sure other people in the space do too.

We still get attacked daily, but the loser is bad at their job.

It's a dirty game.

I'm going to get some food and run some errands.

I'll answer the other questions toungepunckedpetunia asked tonight or tomorrow.

The remaining questions are:

If I pop ten seeds of each of these lines, what phenotypes should I realistically expect, what percentage of each phenotype is typical, and which phenotype do you consider the true keeper?

What specific traits were you selecting for and what traits were you actively culling when you developed Comic Candy, Purple Rim, Twilight Princess, and Blood Moon?

What generation is each of those lines currently at, and how has each line changed genetically from the first release to where it is today?

In the mean time please post any questions you'd like answered here.