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Image 1 — Potential Match For Devil's Gate Jane Doe (1972)
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Potential Match For Devil's Gate Jane Doe (1972)

Hello everyone!

I have been researching the cold cases of Elko County, Nevada, and the highly probable connection between the local 1970s Jane Does. While looking closely at Devil's Gate Jane Doe (NamUs UP #11310), I came across a missing person profile that was only recently added to the system: Deborah Lee Hudler (NamUs MP #154427), who went missing from Denver, Colorado, in May 1972. The physical, medical, and geographical overlaps between them are striking. Here is a breakdown of why this matches perfectly

Height and Build: Jane Doe's height is listed as exactly 5'5" (65 inches). Deborah Hudler’s missing profile lists her height as exactly 5'5" as well. This is an exact match.

Age and Skeleton State: Jane Doe’s age was estimated at 15–18. Deborah was 13 at the time of her disappearance. However, Jane Doe's remains were partial, severely skeletonized, and degraded after spending an entire hot summer in the desert (the torso was never recovered). Given the post-mortem interval and the lack of a complete skeleton, a tall 13-year-old could easily fit into this biological range.

Hair Color: Jane Doe is described as having long, golden/strawberry blonde hair with curls at the ends. Deborah's hair is listed as reddish-brown. It is a well-known taphonomic fact that human hair sun-bleaches and lightens significantly when exposed to the intense desert sun for months.

The Dental & Fluoride Connection: Jane Doe had a very specific trait: brown-stained teeth with white mottling (fluorosis), indicating she was raised in an area with high fluoride levels in the water. In the US, this is heavily prevalent in parts of Texas and Colorado. Deborah went missing from Denver, Colorado, which explains the environmental stain on Jane Doe's teeth. Furthermore, Jane Doe had an extreme upper tooth projection (prognathism) and no dental work/fillings.

The Chipped Tooth: NamUs specifically notes that Jane Doe had a partial missing tooth #8 antemortem (a lifetime chip on her front right central incisor). If you look closely at Deborah’s second available photograph (which I have attached), she appears to have a very visible chip or alignment issue on that exact front tooth. The Footwear and Size Discrepancy: Jane Doe wore a pair of "La Fisa" 4-inch platform clogs. What always puzzled researchers was the tiny shoe size listed in the report: US 4 to 4.5 (approx. European 34-35). For a 5'5" teenager estimated to be up to 18 years old, a size 4 shoe is exceptionally rare. However, for a 13-year-old child who is going through a rapid height growth spurt but whose feet haven't fully grown yet, this tiny shoe size makes complete sense. She likely wore these platforms to look taller and more adult while on the run.

Timeline and Interstate I-80: Deborah Hudler disappeared from the Fort Logan psychiatric hospital in Denver on May 23, 1972. Jane Doe was found on October 2, 1972, but the FBI laboratory report established a post-mortem interval of 4 to 12 weeks, placing her death as early as July 8, 1972. The distance between Denver and Elko is roughly 600 miles, connected directly via Interstate 80 corridor—a notorious route for hitchhikers and active serial predators in 1972.

A Final Thought on the Elko County Series: The FBI's earliest estimated date of death for Devil's Gate Jane Doe (July 8) aligns almost perfectly with the estimated time of death for Starr Valley Jane Doe, who was found nearby on July 14, 1972. Could Deborah have been traveling with an older friend she met on the road, with both girls falling victim to the same predator during the July 4th holiday weekend?

Since Deborah's profile was created so recently, I highly doubt a manual comparison has been done yet. I strongly feel this is worth submitting to the Elko County Sheriff's Office.

What are your thoughts on this comparison? Thank you all for reading!

namus.gov/UnidentifiedPersons/Case#/11310

namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/154427

u/New_Ant3465 — 2 days ago
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Layering over a blouse: masc/unisex alternative to a JSK (not Ouji)

Hello! I'm a guy, and I really like Lolita aesthetics. I'm putting together an outfit for holiday outings (cafes, family parties, dates). I really like the layered "blouse + JSK" combo, but I want to adapt that silhouette for myself. I love the look of a black blouse under a light/white structured layer.

I have a black vintage shirt that I redesigned in a Lolita style: I added ruffles, lace, and replaced the buttons with pearl ones. Now I need something to wear over it.

What can replace a JSK, but isn't a dress? I need a similarly structured, rigid layer with straps or a defined waistline. Since the shirt is black, what light color/material would look festive and elegant? (Cream, white, ivory?)

I'm also considering velvet or velour for the outer layer to give it a festive, rich texture. Do you think this fabric would work well for a structural layer with straps?

Also, I would love for the outer layer to have some subtle patterns (like floral or damask) and bows (either on the straps or the waistline). What fabric and cut would work best for this?

Important clarification: I don't want to go into the Ouji style. I'm interested in unisex items or pieces with a feminine cut that won't look like a dress, but will still retain the Lolita vibe. Would a long tunic vest, an apron with straps, or a blazer with a cut-off waistline work?

I would greatly appreciate any references or ideas! Thanks!

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u/New_Ant3465 — 17 days ago

Possible Match: Malisa Kerr (Missing from Las Vegas, 1994) and Helendale Jane Doe (UP906)

I've been researching the case of Helendale Jane Doe (UP906) for a long time, and I believe I've found a potential match that deserves official review.

Helendale Jane Doe was found on September 5, 2002, in the desert near Helendale, California. She was a homicide victim, found as a partial skeleton. Her identifiers include an age range of 15-22, a height of 4'11" to 5'2", and reddish-brown hair. She had orthodontic braces and, most distinctively, was missing the 2nd through 5th toes on her left foot, a condition that appeared to have occurred long before her death. Her clothing consisted of a white blazer, a top with shoulder pads, a "Celebrity" lace bra, and western-style boots with four stitched ribs across the toe.

Malisa Elizabeth Kerr (NamUs #MP15196) went missing from Las Vegas, Nevada, on March 4, 1994, at the age of 19. Her height is listed as 5'0" to 5'1", and she had red or auburn hair. She also had braces. Crucially, she had a documented surgical scar to her left foot/leg. While the exact nature of this injury is not publicly disclosed, it aligns with the general location and nature of the Jane Doe's missing toes.

The similarities are striking. Both have braces, both have a significant anomaly of the left foot (surgical scar of left leg (Malisa), possible surgery on left leg (JD)), and their physical descriptions (height, age, hair color) are nearly identical. Geographically, the distance from Las Vegas to the discovery site in the San Bernardino desert is approximately 200 miles – a feasible distance for body disposal.

The main objection is the time gap: Malisa disappeared in 1994, while the Jane Doe was found in 2002 with an estimated post-mortem interval of 2000-2002. However, there are strong reasons to question this discrepancy. Desert conditions can preserve remains for years, and a skeleton can appear much "younger" than its actual time of death. There are documented cases where PMI estimates were off by decades. Furthermore, the body could have been frozen for some time before being dumped.

Given the rarity of the combined identifiers – braces and a missing toes/foot injury – I believe this potential match urgently requires official DNA comparison.

I have already submitted official requests to the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department and filed a CPRA request with the San Bernardino County Coroner. I am awaiting their responses.

Please share this post. If anyone has information about Malisa Kerr, please contact the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department or the San Bernardino County Coroner.

Link on JD's NAMUS: https://www.namus.gov/UnidentifiedPersons/Case#/906

Link on Malisa's NAMUS: https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/15196

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u/New_Ant3465 — 1 month ago