what do you think of the argument that the arab states aren't obligated to help palestinians because of the former leadership "betraying" them?

The PLO (that signed the Oslo Accords and made a peace treaty with Israel) unfortunately spent much of its history antagonizing other Arab states and was responsible or actively involved in conflicts in Jordan/Lebanon and they later endorsed Iraq in the Gulf crisis. These three specific events led to lasting resentment against Palestinians from many Arabs from what I understand and have read. It is complicated, like they had a reason behind it but it was still wrong and obviously it only hurt their credibility.

I have some mixed feelings there.

On one hand, I understand the anger against the PLO, I don't blame people for being frustrated. I get how it shattered the trust with how the PLO would be so quick to turn on other Arab countries.

But on the other hand, I know most of Gaza's population is under 18, meaning they weren't alive in Black September or the Gulf crisis. Even if you go back in time to these events, not every Palestinian was aligned with the PLO, like there were Palestinians who fought on behalf of King Hussein in Jordan against the PLO. And many Palestinians who lived in Kuwait were neutral and left in the beginning.

I understand these events have led to wariness towards Palestinian refugees or exiles in general because it's difficult to determine who is going to leave peacefully vs who will be a liability like what happen previously but I think there are other ways Arab countries can help:

  • They should have a plan to reconstruct Gaza.

  • Set up schools and hospitals.

  • Evacuate patients, and the patients return after their treatment.

  • I also think there should be effort to better integrate Palestinians who are currently living in Arab countries since 1948/1967, this will reduce extremism. Again I'm not saying they need to accept more Palestinians but to integrate the one they already have so they'll be less likely to become militant like in the past.

What do you think?

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u/No-Substance2720 — 1 day ago
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Iraqi view on Gaza - does it remind you of how Iraq was also abandoned?

I always feel sad seeing Gaza knowing how alone they are, you have Egypt blockading them on one side and basically everything the bombings, starvation, torture has been happening for 3 years now and none of the Arab countries do anything aside from issue "condemnations." To the point that I've seen Westerners shocked at how other Arab countries are just watching this play out.

And I sometimes see Arabs in twitter churning out excuses for it like "well the Palestinians didn't support the Gulf in 1990" (that's their excuse because they think all 200,000 Palestinians who lived in Kuwait were with Iraq....)

And I feel like Iraq in 2003 was the same, also abandoned and no one did anything to help Iraqis and they used Saddam as an excuse for their apathy and now they just use Arafat whose been dead for like 20+ years now as an excuse too while the average age in Gaza is like 18 years old and wasn't alive during the events they bring up.

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u/No-Substance2720 — 1 day ago

What is a solution to the Palestinian refugee crisis in Lebanon?

  1. Lebanese don't want to naturalize them for varying reasons, some will say because they don't deserve to be citizens considering that their leadership dragged Lebanon into a Civil-War and participated in war crimes, others will say it is to protect their "right of return."
  2. Some say Palestinians in Lebanon should be resettled elsewhere, but I don't see any countries agreeing to accept 200,000 Palestinians from Lebanon in a short period.
  3. I don't know how sustainable having UNRWA care for Palestinians in Lebanon is, like I can see the top donors eventually cutting aid to it and what will Lebanon do if that happens?

My take is, while I understand not wanting to naturalize them, I feel like there should be a plan to gradually dismantle the camps and resettle Palestinians in the camps in other parts of Lebanon and let them be productive members of society even if they don't have citizenship. Bcthe current status quo honestly harms Lebanese people.

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u/No-Substance2720 — 1 day ago

Why do Gulf Arabs act like they didn't bankroll the PLO?

This is smth I don't get.

The PLO was funded by the Gulf Arab countries when they were in Jordan and Lebanon.

The Gulf states only turned on the PLO when they supported Iraq in the Gulf crisis, but didn't give a shit when the PLO was trying to topple the Hashemites or basically ruling over parts of Lebanon.

Today, they'll make posts like this (criticizing the PLO for its role in Jordan or Lebanon) and acting like they weren't their backers lol. Saudi Arabia gave the PLO like 250 million yearly and the Gulf had a 5% tax on each Palestinian worker that went into the PLO's pockets.

If they were against it why did they keep throwing money at them?

u/No-Substance2720 — 1 day ago