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Wistoria deep lore dive 3: Faction Emblems and Supreme grade Magic

As confirmed in the Anime mid episode sheet, there is only 1 Supreme grade Magic per Element Attribute.

I’m here to present the theory that:

Faction Emblems are representation of these Supreme Grade Magic

- Thunder: Thunder Bull / Virgas Argo Thorzeus
- Ice: Ice Bird / Glacia Last Alvis
- Flame: Flame Lion
- Elf: Great Holy Tree of the Elf

- Earth: For those who have read LN2, the emblem represents Grantine Arsmagna of the Loire that would later birth Grantine Igrandia
- Wind: Currently unknown but presumably a guardian with feathers

This is where I hit the road block: I cannot for the life of me figure out what Light and Dark is (any theories posted in the comments is appreciated).

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Separately from the content above, I present a related theory:

As it matches the emblem of the Dark Faction, the Star in the eyes of Will and Mercedes represent the primordial Dark of the Lyzance.

Quote from LN1:
"The primordial Dark and the Light of the end both encompass the five elements: fire, wind, earth, lightning, and water. The lower-level dark magic Dax Darbicans uses dark-element fire, which indicates that the emergence of elemental magic came later. This supports Macbeth's theory, which proposed that magic begins with darkness and returns to light. The relationship between these attributes is thought to be rooted in the foundation of the magical world. It suggests a complete shift in the magic system before and after Mage Queen Mercedes's reign—"

“Dark” is the original element attribute of the Lyzance before Mercedes introduced “Light”. As Will is accessing his Origins, perhaps his Wand side abilities relate to this Primordial Dark of the Lyzance’s past.

u/No-Warthog4673 — 13 hours ago

Wistoria lore deep dive 2: Hidden meaning of the Calendar

Throughout the series, Omori often uses interesting names for the month of the year when displaying birthdays for character profiles. Here are the entire compiled list:

- January: Month of Karna カーナ
- February: Month of Radel ラデル
- March: Month of Suza スザ
- April: Month of Selza セルザ
- May: Month of Noru ノル
- June: Month of Arezel アレゼル
- July: Month of Harura ハルラ
- August: Month of Roa ロア
- September: Month of Shana シャナ
- October: Month of Ruha ルハ
- November: Month of Azo アゾ
- December: Month of Elsa エルザ

However, what if I say this actually have significance lore implications?

Month of Azo

Quote from LN2
The “Azo Night Banquet” takes its name from Azo of Windstep, one of the Ten Sages of the Lyzance. Lady Azo, whose name is also given to the eleventh month of the calendar, is said to have loved dancing above all else. In gratitude to her and to offer prayers, festivals are often held throughout the magical world during the eleventh month.

We now know the month of November is named after Azo of the 10 Sages, this got me thinking of other months and whether they could also be named after important people, which then I discovered:

Month of Ruha - Colette’s birth month

Quote from LN2
"The origins of the Loire family are said to be deeply connected to the creation of the current magical world, at the command of our founder, 'Witch Queen Mercedes'."
"!!"
"A collateral branch of the great “Ten Sages”, “Ruha of Earth Creation”. Therefore, information about her family is restricted."

Colette is born on the month of Ruha, the same Sage Ruha that is the sister of her ancestor Loire. Coincidence? I don’t think so.

So who are the 10 Sages? Are they important?

Quote from LN1
Of course it is. If you trace the nobility back to its origins, they’re the descendants of the Magia Vanders (Five Supreme Wands) and the Ten Sages—people of truly noble blood. My family, too, is a distinguished lineage (noble house) descended from the great Flame Sorcerer Burdelyeon, and we’re every bit the equal of the Prestigious Ice Family (Reinburg) or the Knight Clan (Owenzaus).

Sion’s Ulster Family is a descendant of Sage Burdelyeon, with Sion having Advanced Magic Iflamme Burdelyeon as proof of that. The 10 Sages contributed to the war just like the Magia Vanders did and are the origins of noble bloodlines in this world.

Other interesting instance: the Seals of the Tower

Seals of the Tower
- Karna カーナ / Flame Wall 炎壁 (January)
- Radel ラデル / Ice Gate 氷門(February)
- Suza スザ / Wind Wheel 風車 (March)
- Selza セルザ / Light Chain 光鎖 (April)
- Noru ノル / Dark Torch 閣灯 (May)
- Arezel アレゼル / Nature Fortress 葉砦 (June)
- Shana シャナ / Thunder Lock 雷錠 (September)

As noted, the seal of the Tower are also share the same names after the calendar months. Perhaps they are important figures (or even Sages) that contributed to the Tower’s construction?

Final thoughts: the 10 Staffs pinning down Baal

While on the topic, I want to discuss the significance of the 10 Staffs pinning Baal (yes there are 10, we cross checked with other panels of different angles).

They also appear to be the same ones as the Staffs that Origins Mercedes used to pin down Shade.

I want to propose the theory that the Staffs of the 10 Sages are the true “seal” of Baal.

u/No-Warthog4673 — 18 hours ago

Wistoria Lore Deep Dive: Lyzance, and Flowers (Possible major Spoilers)

A lot of Flower Imagery have been shown in this series, the topic that is discussed today is very deep lore and I am merely scratching the surface, I recommend reading through this then providing your own evidence on the matter.

My presented hypothesis is simple: “Lyzance are humanoid Flower creatures that originated from the Dungeon

Evidence 1: Manga Volume 11 Extra Pages:

- Question:
Don’t elves and dwarves undergo “Blooming” as well?
- Answer:
No. The Lyzance (inhabitants of Paradise) have long been known as the “Flower Species” (種族). Beginning with Flowershock (Flower Rot Syndrome), it has been confirmed that phenomena related to flowers—for better or for worse—manifest in both their bodies and minds. There are even scholars who argue that the true nature of the magic circles that appear whenever the Lyzance (inhabitants of Paradise) cast magic is “the flowers themselves.”

Each Lyzance (inhabitants of Paradise) carries within them a “seed” or a “bud.” When that seed sprouts or that bud blossoms, a mage acquires tremendous power. We refer to this awakening-like phenomenon as “Blossoming”.

Cariott mentions the blossoming to Sion in chapter 50. Elfie also underwent blossoming after she went through the “Mana awakening ritual” in Light Novel 1.

Evidence 2: Light Novel 2

Lyzance when casting Magic is like a Flower releasing its fragrance, a fundamentally different process of casting Magic compared to the Elves:

"We, the Lyzance [Inhabitants of Paradise], are often likened to flowers because of our nature. Magic circles resembling large blooms, diseases such as Flower Shock [Flower Erosion]... When studying the origins of magic, the nature of these 'flowers' is important. 'Fragrance' is no exception."

"This is a primitive 'Perfume Ritual.' Unlike Elves, our Lyzance's Magic takes on various scents when mixed with certain flowers. The conditions for change are mainly the attribute and the amount of magic released."

However when Will casts Magic:

A foul odor began to emanate from the [Crystal Pot], which still hadn't been infused with magic!
"Cough, cough!?"
"It stinks! Ugh!?"
"What are you doing, you 'incompetent'?!"
A storm of anger and accusation caught me completely off guard, as I had expected to be laughed at as usual.

*This suggests on a biological level, Will’s Sword genes affected his body in such a way that the fragrance of his Wand genes are suppressed or altered

Evidence 3: Various weird instances in the series

- Charles when exposed to Baal’s blood turned into the equivalent of a Flower Monster.
- Shade using Belledors (Witch’s Flower) in her Berzeme Sique Magic
- Elfie’s and Zeo’s chant for Supreme grade Magic all includes the phrase relating to Flower deceiving the world

Bonus info:

Here is a list regarding the terms referring to each species that I have found throughout the series.

The Finn are considered the “species of Light” (as noted in Finn’s own profile). This is intriguing as it is the complete opposite of the Lyzance, as they thrive in darkness and have very good Night Vision, with Dark being the primordial element attribute (as noted in Light Novel 1).

Furthermore, the Lyzance being “Inhabitants of Paradise” compared to Heavenly Invaders “Inhabitants of Truth” likely also has significant meaning in the future.

Lyzance:
- Inhabitants of Paradise 楽園の住人
- Flower Species 花の種族
- Species that thrives in Darkness 闇に強い種族

Finns:
- Species of Light 光の一族
- Little People 小人 (Reference to Finn’s race in Danmachi, the Pallum 小人族).

Heavenly Invader
- Invader from the Sky 天上の侵略者
- Inhabitants of Truth 真実の住人

Elf
- Fairy 妖精
- Long Lived Species 長寿種族

Dwarf
- People of Earth 土の民

u/No-Warthog4673 — 1 day ago
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A certain Elf by the false name of Allude (Possible spoilers)

In Wistoria Manga Volume 11 Extra Pages, Eliza mentioned some interesting details:

“Changing the subject, have you ever read “Valentine’s Collection of Love Stories”? The chapter about the Elf Allude, who goes by a false name, is especially good. You should give it a read.”

For those who are Danmachi fans, you may have heard of the name “Allude Maximilian” and “Syrene Maximilian” before.

That’s right, Allude Maximilian is infact Ryuu Lion using a false name (Syrene is of course Syr).

This is just a cool reference, nothing else really. Just wanted to show that with Finn, Gareth, Lefiya, Filvis, and possibly Riveria and Ryuu, Omori really loves his Danmachi “children”.

u/No-Warthog4673 — 1 day ago

Wistoria’s butchered English Translation Part 4: Elf Queen vs Elf Princess (Possible Spoilers)

Although I have been mentioning the Manga’s translation for the past 4 posts, this time it is the Anime’s translation (looking at you Crunchyroll).

Ellenor is called the Elf Queen, this caused many to be confused as to why her biggest fear is “The current Elf Queen” in her character profile. Why does the profiles of Lefiya and Filvis pledge their loyalty to the Elf Queen instead of Ellenor?
(Which can be found translated here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Wistoria/s/nzm4W96hWb)

This mistakenly got some to call Ellenor the Elf Queen, which she is not as she is only a Princess. This is later confirmed as the Elf Queen is a separate character in Wignal Short Story that came with LN2 bookwalker bonus.

Ellenor is referred to the title of “Her Exalted Princess” 『王女殿下』 while the Elf Queen uses the title “Her Majesty the Queen” 『女王陛下』. As 王女 and 女王 are similar, this is a common mistake in translating. The manga did well in using the term Princess correctly.

Here’s a translated portion of Wignal short story related to the Elf Queen:

> The one who approved his departure was not Ellenor, the clan’s Exalted Princess. It was someone who stood above even her—the true pinnacle of the Elves. The one whom all elves never failed to revere, Her Majesty the Queen. Hair of a deep, beautiful jade hue, richer than that of any other Elf. One of the great beings said to have borne the world upon the foundation of the “Nine Secret Arts.” Having lived for more than five hundred years, she still sat upon the throne—a living legend and an eternal sovereign. With a single glare, Her Majesty the Queen silenced those of her people who had raised objections and sought to send the young elf of the clan on his journey.

As for the identity of this Elf Queen? Danmachi fans likely already figured it out.
- The Elf Queen is a High Elf with Jade Color Hair
- The Elf Queen likely has the last name “Ljos Alf”
- The Elf Queen has 9 Secret Arts
- In the Manga, Ellenor is seen using Rea Laveateinn.
- In a video posted regarding season 2 bluray featuring Elfie vs Ellenor ice magic competition, Ellenor is shown using Wynn Fimbulvete
https://youtu.be/JT1WabCbirI?si=98f6oFpKyHBgRgYx

Knowing Omori, this is likely the one and only “Nine Hell”, Riveria Ljos Alf.

u/No-Warthog4673 — 1 day ago

Wistoria’s butchered English translation Part 4: Fantasy vs Illusion

Some questions may arise in the recent last episode of season 2 or throughout earlier chapters: “How come Elfie be able to use Illusion Magic? Aren’t Illusion Magic exclusive to the Elves? Why did Will think Julius was using Illusion Magic? What’s a Mirage Spell?”

The Elven Fantasy Magic are referred to as 幻想魔法 while Illusion Magic are referred to as 幻影魔法. Due to their similarities, translators are often confused and thus lead to inconsistencies in translation.

Fantasy Magic are still exclusive to the Elves while Illusion Magic can be used by Lyzance such as Elfie and Ceridwen.

Rosti also mentioned using Illusion Magic as to how he survived (this time translated as mirage to avoid the confusion caused by earlier chapters). Of course, this is merely a front to cover up, as Workner already suspects.

PS: This is just a short one, not the real part 4. Consider it a part 3.5. In my next post, I’ll discuss the Elf Queen, and she’s not Ellenor.

u/No-Warthog4673 — 1 day ago

Wistoria’s butchered English translation Part 3: 5th source

A commonly asked question is “what is the 5th element that Will used? It is a Magic element right?”. However, the term “element” here refers to entirely separate things.

Magic in Wistoria uses the term of Attribute “属性”, what we generally refer to as Magical element, of which there are confirmed 7: Dark, Earth, Wind, Flame, Water (Ice), Thunder, Light.

Will meanwhile utilizes the “5th fundamental component” (第五源素), due to its similarity to the term element (元素) in chemistry, this is a common translation overlap.

On separate occasions, it has been referred by Finn as accessing the “5th domain” (第五の領域) or in LN1 as processing the “5th information” (第五情報). Even in Danmachi, a seemingly related term called the “5th source” (第五の源泉) was also brought up.

This calls into question whether we are looking at it the wrong way, whether the important detail is rather “5th” than “Source”

u/No-Warthog4673 — 3 days ago

Wistoria’s butchered English translation Part 2: White Silver

As the title says, many are confused about what White Silver is. As the EN translation has chose various different terms like “Limiter Off” or “Argent Release” to refer to the same phenomena.

The form is referred to as “White Silver Sword” (白銀の剣』 in LN1 or “White Silver” (白銀) for short in the Manga. Limiter Off mode is referred to as “White Silver Release” (白銀解放)

Why such confusing translations you may ask? That is because of how Japanese operate. From Image 2, you can see the big Japanese text (Kanji) and the small text above it (Furigana).

Although the Kanji says “White Silver Release”, the Furigana says “Limiter Off”. The Translators prioritized translating the Furi, and thus missing the crucial detail of the kanji.

In cases without kanji, like image 3-4, it leads to Translators using a different translation for a term that has already existed, leading to inconsistency in translation.

u/No-Warthog4673 — 3 days ago

Wistoria’s butchered English translation Part 1 - Wis and charging

There have been a lot of false assumptions based on mistranslations on the English side. I will attempt to address those here. Topic 1: Wis charging

If you read English, you would see a whole bunch of different terms that overlap. Here’s the basics:

- Fully Charged (装填完了): Gained when Will absorbs Mana from an external spell.

- Feelings Charged (想填完了) - Reload (再装) / Tactical Reload (再装填): Gained when Wills brings out internal Mana from memories and feelings.

Although terms such as “Prime Pathos” or “Revived” may sound cool, all it does is cause more confusion about what Wis loading actually is. It is ultimately just different translations for the same thing.

Further information can be read in this tweets by author Omori: https://x.com/fujinoomori/status/2066076721322025256?s=46

u/No-Warthog4673 — 3 days ago

[SPOILER] Dragon Lords and new information regarding Dragons

Spoilers regarding the movie, you have been warned

Based on the recent booklet released along with the new Movie, it also came with an interview with Fuse. I would like to share some new information regarding the Elemental Dragon species.

Could you tell me about the Water Dragon as well?
> Fuse: First of all, I wanted to make it an enemy that even Veldora and Milim couldn't easily defeat, no matter how much they rampaged. The Water Dragon is troublesome because it can regenerate as long as there is sea water. The thing I wanted to avoid most was a scenario where it gets eaten by Rimuru's Beelzebuth and that's the end of it. The Water Dragon does have a weakness: it can be defeated if you take it to a place without water, but we can't just dry up the sea.

Is the Water Dragon a type of species?
> Fuse: The Water Dragon is one of the Eight Great Dragon Lords. It's the same species as Gaia, who was Milim's pet. After Gaia died, it broke apart, and from those parts, the "Dragon species" were born on earth.

Are the Eight Great Dragon Lords and True Dragons different?
> Fuse: True Dragons are only four manifestations of God. On the other hand, these Dragon Lords could be described as devices created to protect the natural environment. The Water Dragon has the power to manipulate water, and for example, the Guardian Dragon Lord of Elmesia has the power to control the weather and trees.

So the Water Dragon and the Guardian Dragon Lord of Elmesia are of equal rank?
> Fuse: That's right. That's why if the Guardian Dragon Lord also appeared on the battlefield, it would turn into a giant monster battle (laughs). Rimuru and the others would just be watching with popcorn in hand, so we sent them home early this time (laughs).

For those who have watched the movie, things have gotten a lot more convoluted than necessary, here’s a short breakdown (since there’s a lot of overlap, I will be using Japanese to help you better differentiate them)

True Dragon (竜種)

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Elemental Dragon (精霊龍族):
- Water Dragon (水竜), may be translated as Aqua Dragon in some translations
- Guardian Dragon Lord (守護竜王)
- Formerly Gaia, the Elemental Dragon (精霊竜) later turned Chaos Dragon (混沌竜)

They are referred to as Dragon Lord (竜王) by Fuse, there’s 8 of them as part of the Eight Great Dragon Lords (八大竜王)

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Arch Dragon (上位龍族):

There’s Subspecies Dragon (亜種竜):
- Sky Dragon (天空竜)
- Water Dragon (水撃竜)

There’s Attribute Dragon (属性竜)
- Fire Dragon (火炎竜)
- Ice Dragon (氷雪竜)
- Wind Dragon (烈風竜)
- Earth Dragon(地砕竜)
The aforementioned Attribute Dragons can evolve into Dragon Lord (竜王)
- Fire Dragon Lord (火炎竜王)
- Ice Dragon Lord (氷雪竜王)
- Wind Dragon Lord (烈風竜王)
- Earth Dragon Lord (地砕竜王)

These too are also referred to as Dragon Lords (竜王) as part of the Four Great Dragon Lords (四大竜王)

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Even without saying anything, I think you know why there’s a big confusion caused by these Dragon Lords being from 2 entirely separate and frankly entirely different species.

The original 8 are fully Spiritual Lifeforms that have a revival mechanic and represents a part of nature itself. The 4 newcomers are currently only Demi Spiritual Lifeforms, much weaker and certainly less important.

TLDR: Not all Dragon Lords are born equal

PS: For those looking for the part where True Dragons are regarded as incarnation of God, there you go. Here’s the kanji if you want to use it to debate elsewhere:
竜種はわずか四体しかいない神様の分身

u/No-Warthog4673 — 2 months ago