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▲ 11 r/championsleague

What's one player whose Champions League reputation is completely different from their league reputation?

I was watching old highlights and thinking about how some players almost become different people in Europe.

There are players who can be good domestically but suddenly become monsters in Champions League nights. Then there are elite league players who never seemed to have the same aura in Europe.

Thomas Müller always felt like one of those weird examples to me where his Champions League impact sometimes felt bigger than people gave him credit for in normal league conversations.

Who is your biggest example of a player with two completely different reputations?

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u/NoBeach7658 — 2 days ago
▲ 8 r/VintageNBA

Did we accidentally underrate how revolutionary Moses Malone actually was?

I've been thinking about this after seeing modern conversations around MVPs and offensive engines. When people discuss all-time great centers, it usually turns into Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, Hakeem, etc., and Moses Malone sometimes feels like the guy who gets mentioned almost out of obligation.

But then you actually look at his resume and it's kind of absurd. Three MVPs, a championship, one of the greatest offensive rebounders ever, and a style that almost feels weirdly modern in terms of creating extra possessions.

I also think people see "offensive rebounds" and subconsciously downgrade them compared to assists or scoring. But if a player repeatedly creates second possessions, isn't that basically another form of offensive creation?

I'm curious whether people think Moses is genuinely underrated historically, or whether his ranking today is about right and his style just wasn't as visually memorable as some other all-time greats.

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u/NoBeach7658 — 2 days ago