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Native players in NBA history

Native players in NBA history

I know arguments can be had over who exactly is or isn't Native American (Eduardo Nájera?), but these are the players I'm aware of with known Native heritage. Charles Barkley was found to be 14% Native by a DNA test on a talk show over a decade ago, but the type of test they did is hardly definitive, and it doesn't appear there is any known link between Barkley and any Native relatives or tribe. Major gratitude goes to u/TringlePringle for their assistance with this info.

Bob Harrison: Harrison was the primary SG during the Lakers' early run of titles with George Mikan (career stats). He was a 1x All-Star and a 3x champion, but he's most famous for hitting a half-court bomb of a buzzer beater to win Game 1 of the 1950 Finals. Here is an article about his Native heritage (I believe he was Hočąk), including this info about how open his heritage was during his playing days: "While with the Lakers, Harrison served as president of the Minnesota-based North American Indian Society in 1951-52. Also during his time in Minneapolis, on a night when Harrison was honored by his team, a number of local tribes presented him with a deerskin jacket." He mentioned in the link that he tanned dark, and once when he was in the Marines he was made to sit in the back of the train because they thought he was black.

Gene Conley: Conley was part of the Cherokee Nation (link to his obituary in the Cherokee Phoenix), which he was connected to through his mother's side of the family. Conley was a 3x NBA champion with the Celtics ('59-61), but he was more famous as a 6-ft-8 MLB pitcher where he was a 4x All Star (including playing in both ASG's in '59) and a World Series champ in 1957 with the Braves. Here are his career stats in the NBA.

Phil Jordon: He was a decent center from '59-62 (career stats), and his biggest claim to fame was that he did NOT play in the game where Wilt scored 100 points. Jordon was the Knicks' starting center in '62 --and their only regular starter taller than 6-ft-6-- but he drank an entire case of beer the night before the game and sat out "sick", so the already awful Knicks who had a horrible front court had no chance against the Warriors and Wilt who had a historic day of stat hoarding. Jordon is often named as the first Native player in league history, but this confusion seems to be because he was the first player easily identifiable to most people as Native.

Gary Gray: Gray was part of the Delaware Nation while growing up in Oklahoma. He played sparingly for the Royals during the '68 season (career stats) and was then selected by the Bucks in the 1968 Expansion Draft, but he never played beyond that 1 season in Cincinnati.

Sonny Dove: Dove's mother was Mashpee Wampanoag and after he had a fantastic college career at St. John's, he was the #4 pick in the 1967 draft by the Pistons (1 pick before Walt Frazier). He played sparingly with Detroit for 2 years, then he went to the ABA's Nets for 3 seasons ('70-72), averaging 14 ppg and 8 rpg during his first 2 seasons in NY (career stats). His career ended early due to a bicycle accident, and he went on to earn his degree and announce St. John's games until his death in 1983. Dove and Gray did both play in a single game against each other during the '68 season (box score), playing a combined 3 minutes, so it's unlikely they were on the court at the same time unless they both appeared in the final minute of garbage time of Cincinnati's 20-point win.

John Starks: In this article about Ron Baker (link), Starks is referred to as "Oklahoma born-and-raised Muscogee (Creek) Nation athlete John Starks". He had an insane backstory that led to his NBA career (4 different colleges, spent a couple years in 2 leagues that both collapsed, and the Knicks were forced to keep him in '90 when he got injured during a pre-season practice while attempting a dunk on Ewing) who went on to be a beloved Knick who played with fiery passion and shot a ton of 3's. He was named an All Star in '94 when NY went to the Finals, was All-D in '93, and the '97 6th Man of the Year (career stats).

Bison Dele: According to Wikipedia, "he was of African-American and Cherokee descent." He was a decent rebounder and finisher near the hoop (career stats), but he's most well known as a player for winning a ring with the '97 Bulls; Chicago signed him late in the season after Toni Kukoc's injury, providing plenty of good playoff scoring as a reserve plus some timely offensive rebounding (99.9% of hoops fans who weren't Bulls fans in 1997 aren't aware of how important Dele's impact was on that championship). He had an extremely interesting personal life, playing multiple instruments, being an avid adventure traveler, flying planes, and dating Madonna, but his biggest headlines were made for his bizarre disappearance and presumed murder at sea in 2002.

Cherokee Parks: He was named after the Cherokee tribe of his great grandmother. As a player, he is most well-known for his college days at Duke where he backed up Christian Laettner during the '92 championship season, the year of the famous Duke-UK game. As a pro, he played for 7 franchises in 9 seasons (career stats).

Ron Baker: Baker is a Citizen Potawatomi Nation tribal member and Navarre family descendent who attended Wichita State on a Potawatomi scholarship, joining the Shockers basketball team as a walk-on before honing his shooting to become a key player on their unexpected run to the 2013 Final Four. Despite going undrafted, he played for 3 seasons in the NBA (career stats).

Kyrie Irving: Irving is well known to modern NBA fans and is easily the best player on this list (9x All Star, '12 ROTY, '14 ASG MVP, '16 champion - career stats). His mother was a Standing Rock Sioux and lived on a reservation before being adopted at a young age. She later died when Kyrie was 4 so he didn't have a connection to this part of his heritage for most of his life, but Kyrie and his sister Asia both joined the tribe at a naming ceremony in 2018 (link).

Delonte West: In a 2009 interview, West said he's part Piscataway and that his "REDZ" tattoo is short for "Chief Redz" due to his red hair. He had a 9-year NBA career (career stats), most notably as the streaky-scoring SG on the '09 Cavs who went to the ECF. West has had some well-documented, post-career mental health issues.

Aaron Gordon: According to this interview before his rookie season, Gordon has an Osage Indian great-great-grandfather who was 7 feet tall. Gordon is an athletic and versatile PF with injury issues (career stats). He's known for his phenomenal performances as a close runner-up in the 2016 and 2020 Dunk Contests, both of which he arguably coulda/shoulda won, and for his key role on the 2023 champion Nuggets.

Lindy Waters III: Waters has a very close connection to both his Kiowa and Cherokee roots (short video & article). He is from Oklahoma, played at Oklahoma State, and after a year in a couple small pro leagues, he made it to the NBA in February of 2022 with the Oklahoma City Thunder (career stats). He currently plays for the Spurs.

MarJon Beauchamp: Beauchamp is a descendent of both the Mission Indians and the La Jolla Band of Luiseno Indians. His backstory is unique and truly inspiring. He was houseless while growing up, went to multiple high schools in Seattle and Arizona, bypassed college to train for the 2021 draft but the gym he was training at shut down due to COVID-19, then he played 12 games at a CC and a season for the G League Ignite, and after success with the Ignite he was drafted 24th overall by the Bucks in 2022 (career stats). He wore #0 to remind himself that he "came from nothing".

Chance Comanche: Comanche played in a single NBA game with the Trail Blazers, a 56-point loss on the final day of the '23 season (career stats). His paternal grandfather was fully Native, so Comanche is one-eighth Choctaw and one-eighth Comanche. Most NBA fans who have heard of him are only aware that he and his girlfriend were arrested in December of 2023 for the kidnapping and murder of a woman in Las Vegas; their trial is expected to begin in 2026.

u/WinesburgOhio — 1 day ago

While the 90's is more recognized as the peak of superstar centers, the 70's deserves some flowers

People will say that the 70's were weak in terms of competition and thats why Kareem won those 5 MVPs due to lack of competition. While some of it is true, he still played against really solid bigs like Nate Thurmond, Dave Cowens, Bob McAdoo, Wilt Chamberlain, Willis Reed, Bill Walton, Artis Gilmore, Wes Unseld, Bob Lanier, Dan Issel. He won those MVPs because he consistently outplayed a room full of future Hall of Fame giants. Dude was simply a 7-foot-2 alien with an elite track-athlete motor and a shot that literally couldn't be blocked.

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u/boytisoy — 4 days ago
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Opposing NBA fans showing up to hate Kobe more than support their own team

Utah Jazz fans were absolutely livid when Kobe snapped the Utah Jazz 19-game home win streak in 2008. In addition, Kobe never forgot how they treated Derek Fisher who played for the Utah Jazz in 2007.

Derek Fisher asked the Utah Jazz to release him from his contract so he could seek specialized medical care in New York or Los Angeles for his 10-month-old daughter, Tatum, who was diagnosed with a rare eye cancer (retinoblastoma). Jazz fans booed him relentlessly and taunted him about his daughter's medical condition. During free-throw attempts, portions of the crowd infamously chanted the word "cancer" or covered their left eyes the eye his daughter had treated to mock the family.

This had Kobe further amped up and rightfully so.

u/Glum-Ad-8715 — 6 days ago

How would the Mikan Dynasty have done in the 60s?

Did the likes of Mikan, Mikkelsen, Pollard and Slater Martin have the talent to compete against the likes of Russell’s Celtics, Elgin and Baylor’s Lakers (idk how they’d figure out the name dispute lol), Wilt’s 76ers/Warriors, Pettit’s Hawks, Thurmond and Barry’s Warriors, Oscar and Lucas’ Royals, etc.

Keep in mind Slater Martin was an all star until 1959, Mikkelsen until 1957 though he was in mvp votings in 1958. Elite 60s talents like Russell and Pettit were still competing, with Elgin and wilt roughly a year away from being in the nba themselves. It’s not crazy to think the others, including themselves, could’ve adapted well to the proceeding era if they were in their primes.

Thoughts? Would Russell have a more competitive rival throughout the decade?

u/Personal-Proposal- — 5 days ago
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Celtics Legends gathered and pass the ball one last time at the final regular season game in Boston Garden (1995)

u/DaExtinctOne — 8 days ago

Rockets forward Rudy Tomjanovich appearing shortly after facing a life-threatening injury by being punched in the face by Lakers forward Kermit Washington, 1977

For those unaware: on December 9, 1977, during an NBA game between the Los Angeles Lakers and Houston Rockets at the Forum, a scuffle broke out among several players at midcourt, particularly concerning the Lakers’ Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and the Rockets’ Kevin Kunnert, which eventually involved Washington coming to Abdul-Jabbar’s aid, leading to blows from Washington towards Kunnert.

Washington saw Tomjanovich running towards the altercation between the players and, unaware that he intended to break up the fight, instinctively hit Tomjanovich with a short right-hand punch. The blow, which took Tomjanovich by surprise, fractured his entire face about one-third of an inch away from his skull and left Tomjanovich unconscious in a pool of blood in the middle of the Forum.

Abdul-Jabbar compared the sound of the punch to a melon being dropped onto concrete. Players involved say that right after Tomjanovich collapsed, the absence of sound at the Forum, filled with shocked fans, was "the loudest silence you have ever heard". Reporters heard the sound of the punch all the way in the second floor press box, and some rushed to the playing floor in disbelief.

Tomjanovich was able to get up and walk around, but was in terrible condition. The bone structure of his face detached from his skull and he was suffering a cerebral concussion, broken jaw, and nose, as well as leaking blood and spinal fluid into his skull capsule. His skull was fractured in such a way that Tomjanovich could taste the spinal fluid leaking into his mouth. He later recalled that at the time of the incident, he had thought that the scoreboard had fallen on him. The doctor who worked on Tomjanovich said "I have seen many people with far less serious injuries not make it," and said the surgery was like Scotch-taping together a badly shattered eggshell.

u/Antique_Quail7912 — 8 days ago

What, outside than size, made Mikan stand out compared to his peers?

There has arguably never been a greater gap between first and second place than when Mikan played. But was he really only great because of how badly he outsized his peers?

Apparently Russell was very complimentary of Mikan’s ability, for what it’s worth.

u/Personal-Proposal- — 9 days ago

AMA: Basketball historian, fan, huge nerd, and author of "The Mikan-dex: Basketball, Ranked"

Hi everyone! I am a basketball historian who has a book coming out July 7, 2026 (Amazon won't give me a preorder link until I "finalize" everything, and I'm going to tinker with this thing until the last minute). If you haven't seen my posts before, either here or on r/nba over the past few years, I use a mathematical algorithm to rank players (I don't personally rank or adjust these at all once the math has done its thing, I just offer context on why the player is ranked where he is, along with some facts and stories about them.)

If you have any questions about how the system works, or how I built the system, or really anything basketball/basketball history related, ask away and I'll do my best to answer! Planning on being here for the next few hours while I do massive edits all day, so help break my day up for me please!

u/Naismythology — 9 days ago

Was the zone ban actually about stopping Iverson?

I was reading about how zone defense used to be illegal and I saw Iverson say they brought it back in 2001 just to slow him down . Dude was winning scoring titles at 6'1" and apparently the league was like “yeah we need to fix this" . His scoring dipped for two seasons after the rule change before he figured it out.But I've also heard people say it was really about Shaq being unstoppable in the post which one is it? Or was it just about keeping the game man to man? Curious what the vintage heads think.

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u/Legitimate_Tour_9758 — 10 days ago

Can you name a single player in NBA history to have a similar career arc as Chauncey Billups: going from bust to All-Star?

The Boston Celtics drafted Chauncey Billups with the 3rd overall pick of the 1997 NBA Draft.

Billups played for the Celtics, Raptors, Nuggets and Wolves during the first 5 years of his NBA career including getting traded away 3x in 5 years.

From 1998 to 2002, Billups averaged 11 points and 4 assists.

Billups signed with the Pistons in the summer of 2002 then he won Finals MVP in 2004 before finishing 5th in voting for MVP in 2006.

As their starting point guard, Billups led the Pistons to 6 consecutive Conference Finals appearances.

From 2003 to 2008, Billips averaged 17 points and 6 assists for Detroit.

Are there any other players in NBA history that turned their career around like Chauncey Billups, going from a bust to an perennial All-Star player?

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u/HamzaHarlemNights — 13 days ago

Which team did you pick when you played NBA Jam arcade version (1993)?

1992-93 NBA Season with two players in each team:

Atlantic Division:

Boston Celtics: Reggie Lewis & Kevin McHale

Miami Heat: Rony Seikaly & Glen Rice

New Jersey Nets: Derrick Coleman & Drazen Petrovic

New York Knicks: Patrick Ewing & Charles Oakley

Orlando Magic: Shaquille O'Neal & Scott Skiles

Philadelphia 76ers: Hersey Hawkins & Jeff Hornacek

Washington Bullets: Tom Gugliotta & Harvey Grant

Central Division:

Atlanta Hawks: Dominique Wilkins & Stacey Augmon

Charlotte Hornets: Larry Johnson & Kendall Gill

Chicago Bulls: Scottie Pippin & Horace Grant

Cleveland Cavaliers: Mark Price & Brad Daugherty

Detroit Pistons: Isiah Thomas & Bill Laimbeer

Indiana Pacers: Reggie Miller & Detlef Schrempf

Milwaukee Bucks: Brad Lohaus & Blue Edwards

Midwest Division:

Dallas Mavericks: Derek Harper & Mike Iuzzolino

Denver Nuggets: Dikembe Mutombo & LaPhonso Ellis

Houston Rockets: Hakeem Olajuwon & Kenny Smith

Minnesota Timberwolves: Christian Laettner & Chuck Person

San Antonio Spurs: David Robinson & Sean Elliott

Utah Jazz: Karl Malone & John Stockton

Pacific Division:

Golden State Warriors: Tim Hardaway & Chris Mullin

Los Angeles Clippers: Danny Manning & Ron Harper

Los Angeles Lakers: Vlade Divac & James Worthy

Phoenix Suns: Charles Barkley & Dan Majerle

Portland Trail Blazers: Clyde Drexler & Terry Porter

Sacramento Kings: Wayman Tisdale & Spud Webb

Seattle SuperSonics: Shawn Kemp & Benoit Benjamin

Bonus question: Do you have any thoughts on these players in each NBA team?

u/AC_the_Panther_007 — 12 days ago

Ringless 60s teams that you think would’ve won a ring had they competed in the 70s?

If Russell’s Celtics hadn’t rained terror upon the decade, what teams could’ve won in the proceeding decade? Which 70s team would they best fare or struggle most against?

I think prime Jerry West and prime Elgin of the early 60s Lakers could’ve won at least one, same with the Oscar Robertson-Jerry Lucas Royals. Rick Barry and Nate Thurmond on the Warriors, maybe Wilt could’ve done it with a fading Paul Arizin or rookie Thurmond from the early 60s Warriors? I know the Hawks won one against an injured Russ in 58 but they also made it there a few times after that with some close 4-3 series against a peak Russell. Maybe they could’ve managed one or more?

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u/Personal-Proposal- — 13 days ago