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Just found an old collection !

Hoping some are worth something as it’s been decades in the making! Lol will try eBay I guess. Enjoy

u/uncletys — 18 hours ago
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Recommendation - ‘Hang Time’

Hang Time by Alan Eisenstock tells the remarkable story of Elgin Baylor, one of the NBA’s great pioneers and one of its most underappreciated superstars and first frequent flyers. Blessed with extraordinary athleticism, creativity and a seemingly effortless ability to hang in the air, Baylor transformed the possibilities of basketball in the late 1950s and 1960s.
The book follows Baylor’s journey from humble beginnings to becoming the cornerstone of the Minneapolis/Los Angeles Lakers, where his spectacular scoring and acrobatic style made him a sensation. It also explores the racial and social barriers he encountered, his complicated relationship with the Lakers, and the personal cost of playing at such an extraordinary level.
Including the grace of his final farewell as the Lakers were poised to win it all, such utter class.

u/Cranberry-Electrical — 2 days ago

What's the precedent for the historical stigma against "jump shooting teams" and why did it take so long to break if the 94/95 Rockets and Magic both proved a three point heavy offense could work.

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u/DeepNThePaintPlumlee — 2 days ago

Does anyone else remember a Charles Barkley Pizza Hut commercial?

As a kid I fell asleep watching Cartoon Network one night. I woke up and a commercial featuring Charles Barkley was on. He was in a fancy hotel room in a robe. He said he had a hot date and it cut to a Pizza Hut pizza. Then porno music started playing as he ate the pizza.

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u/MikeyGTampabay67 — 2 days ago

What made Russell be considered a better defender than Chamberlain?

https://preview.redd.it/hmvxmcjwvtjh1.png?width=1541&format=png&auto=webp&s=3926e7371a882e268511a768c8ad9c0c58d83f27

As we know, Russell is widely considered to be a better defensive player than Chamberlain. But why is this? Wilt was stronger, taller, could jump as high, and he was a superior rebounder. According to the research of u/dantheman9758, across 100+ games, Wilt averaged 8.8 blocks per game and Russell averaged 8.1. I understand that Russell is often tipped for his ability to direct blocked shots to teammates, but I do not believe this makes up for his inferior rebounding ability and lack of physical dominance compared to Chamberlain; (Wilt being the strongest player in the league.) And although I know this is theoretical, but Wilt accomplished all of this whilst also being responsible for the offensive load of the teams he played for until the near end of his career. Imagine what Wilt would do defensively if he were allowed to fully preserve his stamina for defense during his physical prime? Or, just naturally wasn't as gifted offensively like Russell was therefore being naturally probed to focus on defense. Hell, when he did get to the point of his career where he was being asked to play the same role as Russell, Russell himself said he was; "Playing better than I ever did, sacrificing himself for team play."

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u/mezzale — 3 days ago

How do you guys compare defensive greats who focused solely on that end versus the defensive greats who were also an offensive focus for their team?

Recently, I’ve been putting thought into some of the greatest defensive players ever, and I really think there needs to be an acknowledgment to those all time defenders who were also able to be the offensive focus on their team at the same time.

Guys like Bill Russell, Dikembe Mutombo, Ben Wallace, Rudy Gobert, and Dennis Rodman are some of the best to ever do it on that end of the court and are definitely recognized as such, but while other players like Kevin Garnett, Hakeem Olajuwon, and Tim Duncan are typically mentioned in the same breath, most people don’t seem to weigh the knowledge that those guys were also their team’s engine on offense and as such couldn’t solely focus on defense to make their impact. And yet KG, Hakeem, and Duncan are all some of the best defensive players ever, despite the fact they couldn’t just look pretty, so to speak, on offense so they could conserve their main effort for defense.

I’m not definitely not saying that’s what all those first guys frequently did, but I wonder how much some of those first guys defensive abilities would’ve suffered if they also were relied upon by their team to score 20 points a game and pass the ball well too. Some of those guys definitely just didn’t have the talent or touch to be that kind of offensive player, but it’s interesting to wonder how things might be different if other talented offensive players didn’t have to focus so much on that end and were able to focus more on stopping other guys.

Hakeem Olajuwon has 2 Defensive Player of the Year awards, Kevin Garnett has 1, Tim Duncan has Zero. How realistic is it that if those guys were able to completely focus on the defensive end they would have several more in between them?

I’m curious to see what your guys’ general thoughts are on ranking these types of players, and to whether someone like Hakeem Olajuwon would’ve been an even greater defensive player if he could’ve given 100% of his energy to the defensive end instead of also being an offensive force.

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u/Cool-Damage-9587 — 3 days ago

Jordan and Drexler

Watching a lot of 1992 Olympic games recently. I was a big fan of Drexler during the time but all of us admired Jordan. What if Drexler never existed though? Jordan would have been even more exponentially ahead of his peers at his position and style. Drexler was like Jordan Lite (tm). But with a cooler name.

Watching them play together on the Dream Team is amazing.

What if Jordan blew out his knee in college and it was the Drexler show? Just having fun bringing up these great players from a more fun time when personalities were larger than life and the game was more fun to watch.

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u/Grubula — 6 days ago
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Did people know Michael Jordan was something special during his years at UNC? If you were watching college basketball in 1984, would you have expected Michael Jordan to become an all-time great?

Source: X

u/TumbleweedNo5237 — 8 days ago
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With Russell Westbrook retiring, who was the first player retirement that made u sit and think “damn I’m really getting old” or well “older”

I was never like a huge fan of Russ, but I did always like him. I never really thought his retirement would hit me like Lebron or curry’s will, but that announcement fr got me thinking “damn I’m really getting older” and I’m not old at all I’m only 24. Like KD, Steph, demar, harden, Lillard are all gunna retire in the next handful of years and LeBron is gonna be done in the next 2 yrs fs. Now Russ is done, and he was the MVP right around the time I was entering high school 10 years ago like damn 😂. Can’t forget AD, he’s only 33 but with his injury history he very likely could be retired by 36-38. Same with kyrie

Ig my question is who was the players retirement that made u realize that ur getting older, and that the players u grew up watching are on their way out very soon

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u/JakeTiny19 — 7 days ago

If you were a GM in need of a forward, would you draft Connie Hawkins or George McGinnis? And why?

These are two guys I think don’t get mentioned enough as their primes in the NBA weren’t long enough.

u/trashpuppet94 — 7 days ago

What kind of team were the Charles Barkley Suns?

The only iteration of them I watched was the one I saw during the 1995 WCSF vs the Rockets (Game 7, Mario Elie game winner), but I think the blueprint at that point was well-established.

Two shooters (Majerle, Ainge) on the wing to give some degree of spacing for the Barkley-Johnson PnR, park another big or an athletic three in position to fight for the board with Chuck.

Have I got the right idea?

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u/DeepNThePaintPlumlee — 8 days ago

Who was the best NBA team to not win a championship in each decade?

I tried putting together my picks for the best NBA team that failed to win a championship in each decade:
1950s — early 50s Knicks
1960s — 1969 Lakers
1970s — 1976 Braves / 1977 Bulls
1980s — 1984 Bucks
1990s — 1998 Jazz
2000s — 2005 Pacers
2010s — 2018 Rockets
2020s — 2021 nets
Some are pretty straightforward, but the 1970s especially feels like a toss-up.
What would you change? And which team do you think is the strongest “best team to never win” from each decade?

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u/VastArt663 — 7 days ago
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During his NBA career, Bill Russell led the five best defenses ever in points allowed per possession relative to league average, and was even more dominant in the playoffs. During and after his career, he discussed psychological tics, guarding Wilt, and how he’d guard bigs like Kareem and Shaq

On Kareem: Physicality and jostling

(Russell had led the Celtics to their 11th championship the year Kareem was drafted at 22, and the two missed out on playing by months). This comment was from 1980, at the end of Kareem’s prime.

Q: If you were matched against Kareem in a big championship game, what would you attempt to do defensively against him?

A: Well, I know that the skyhook is not unstoppable, but it is very accurate. Against a player like that, I would make him shoot other shots. He may kill you with them; he may get 40 or 50 points with them. But in taking it away, you have to physically—you can physically take away the skyhook if you know how.

Q: And how would you take it away?

A: It is a physical thing that you can do out there. You can position yourself so that when he takes the skyhook, he'd have to step away from the basket. He doesn't like to step away from the basket. For example, if he starts at 12 feet away and shoots at 12 feet, but if you make him shoot from 13 feet, then it’s a different shot. So what you’re trying to do is change his shot from the release point as much as possible. You’re not going to stop it, but the more you’re able to affect a change, the less accurate it’ll be.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fms-ktYue3Y&ra=m

On Shaq: Turning the game into a track meet

Interview was in 1997, while Shaq was vying to establish himself as the clear best big in the game. The interview was alongside Wilt Chamberlain, who was cracking jokes.

“I would make him play horizontal as much as possible. Plus, I would make him run up and down the court all day. It I weigh 240, and he weighs 300.”

Wilt adds “(and 40)”

Russell again: “If he had to take that weight up and down the court every time, the fatigue factor starts to set in.” (Then Wilt cuts him off, joking about how Russell takes too long to get to the point).

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N71Pv48erIc&ra=m

On Wilt: Psychological warfare

Often outweighed by 70 or 80 pounds, the 240 pound Russell often relied on psychological tricks in trying to get the best of Chamberlain. He went 7-1 in playoff series against him, winning four game sevens by a combined nine points.

“Everyone fell for my fakes but Bill” (said Wilt)

“Well you flexed your muscles harder when you faked,” Russell said. “If you were posing, you weren’t shooting.”

He implied he would constantly try to get in Wilt’s head, playing to his ego, and trying to frustrate him.

From a 1965 article, called “How I Psych Them”

Russell tells the story of leaning against Wilt during a tiring game and saying, “I never thought I’d see the day when a great big guy like you would be pushing an old man like me around.”

Wilt would respond, (heavily implied to involve stronger words) “Don’t give me that old psych”

Not Wilt directly, but revealing:

“I understood that the game was played by very insecure people. One of the great players that not many people remember is Walter Bellamy, he was a great player. Physically, I was not up to him on some nights, so I would say, 'what am I going to do?'.

I would play very hard defense to keep him from getting the ball, and then I said to him, 'how come they are not passing you the ball?'. And I had been working like a dog for the past five minutes to keep him from getting the ball, and he'd say, 'yeah, they don't treat old Walter right.' And then I had him diverted."

u/Pickleskennedy1 — 9 days ago

Why was Billy Knight "TWA"?

As the title says. I've tried to look it up but every source just lists the nick name, or gives me an incorrect answer. I had a memory of it being an acronym for "The Wonder of the ABA" but that appears to be wrong.

This has just been bothering me for a while. Any help is appreciated, thanks!

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u/Menlover0_0 — 6 days ago
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If Jordan didn't retire in his prime to play baseball he had a chance to win 8 rings and 7 MVPs.

Even though he left a lot on the table, no one has been able to catch him.

u/Dondraco762 — 11 days ago

The Underappreciated Defensive and Rebounding Impact of Shawn Kemp

Shawn Kemp has always been one of my absolute favorite NBA players. Although he’s generally remembered by most fans in the basketball community for his freakish athleticism and explosive highlight dunks, I’ve always felt that his impact as a defender and rebounder is particularly overlooked and underappreciated.

During the early stage of Kemp’s career, K.C. Jones (who was Seattle’s head coach at the time) had this to say about him, “He has this enthusiasm for rebounding and blocking shots. How often do you come across a player who has that kind of desire for that part of the game? Not very often at all.” That youthful enthusiasm ultimately resulted in Kemp recording a career single game high of 10 blocks in a January 1991 matchup versus the Lakers.

Later on during Kemp’s peak season in 1995-96, he ranked 2nd in the league in defensive rating behind only David Robinson and was 4th in defensive win shares and 3rd in total rebounds as well. Furthermore, after he left Seattle, they fell from 6th to 10th in the standings for collective team defensive rating, and at the same time, Cleveland immediately became the NBA’s #1 rated defensive unit during his first season with the Cavs. Gary Payton seems to receive most (if not all) of the credit for why those Sonics teams were so great on defense, but I think the reality and fact being that they got worse defensively after Kemp’s departure and Cleveland developed into the league’s top rated defense upon his arrival is a very solid indicator that he also played a crucial role in Seattle’s defensive success.

And in hindsight, the fact that Kemp was never selected for an NBA All-Defensive Team is a rather egregious oversight, especially when you take into consideration that during Shawn’s best 4 year stretch from 1992-93 to 1995-96, Horace Grant was named to the All-Defensive Second Team every season during that span, but when you analyze their respective on-court stats and advanced defensive metrics throughout that time, Kemp was superior in pretty much every category. His teams also had better defensive ratings in each of those years as well, and as previously mentioned, Kemp played a significant part in that. Here’s the head-to-head comparison of their individual defensive stats and metrics across the specified timeline...

1992-93

  • Shawn Kemp: 10.7 RPG, 1.5 SPG, 1.9 BPG, 25.1 DRB%, 2.3 STL%, 3.8 BLK%, Defensive Rating: 100, Defensive Win Shares: 5.1, Defensive Box Plus/Minus: 1.0
  • Horace Grant: 9.5 RPG, 1.2 SPG, 1.2 BPG, 16.9 DRB%, 1.7 STL%, 2.3 BLK%, Defensive Rating: 105, Defensive Win Shares: 3.7, Defensive Box Plus/Minus: 0.1

1993-94

  • Shawn Kemp: 10.8 RPG, 1.8 SPG, 2.1 BPG, 24.7 DRB%, 2.8 STL%, 4.6 BLK%, Defensive Rating: 96, Defensive Win Shares: 6.0, Defensive Box Plus/Minus: 2.0
  • Horace Grant: 11.0 RPG, 1.1 SPG, 1.2 BPG, 21.1 DRB%, 1.5 STL%, 2.2 BLK%, Defensive Rating: 101, Defensive Win Shares: 4.3, Defensive Box Plus/Minus: 0.9

1994-95

  • Shawn Kemp: 10.9 RPG, 1.2 SPG, 1.5 BPG, 25.0 DRB%, 1.9 STL%, 3.5 BLK%, Defensive Rating: 102, Defensive Win Shares: 4.7, Defensive Box Plus/Minus: 0.1
  • Horace Grant: 9.7 RPG, 1.0 SPG, 1.2 BPG, 20.3 DRB%, 1.4 STL%, 2.2 BLK%, Defensive Rating: 106, Defensive Win Shares: 3.5, Defensive Box Plus/Minus: 0.6

1995-96

  • Shawn Kemp: 11.4 RPG, 1.2 SPG, 1.6 BPG, 26.9 DRB%, 1.8 STL%, 3.8 BLK%, Defensive Rating: 97, Defensive Win Shares: 6.1, Defensive Box Plus/Minus: 1.3
  • Horace Grant: 9.2 RPG, 1.0 SPG, 1.2 BPG, 20.0 DRB%, 1.4 STL%, 2.4 BLK%, Defensive Rating: 105, Defensive Win Shares: 3.1, Defensive Box Plus/Minus: 0.6

In today’s modern NBA era of pace and space, Kemp undoubtedly would be one of the more sought after defensive big men in the league largely because of his supreme athleticism and ability to seamlessly rotate and switch onto smaller players on the wing and perimeter. Just on that end of the court, I can easily imagine him having a Bam Adebayo type of impact in terms of versatility and all-around defensive value. But in comparison to Bam, The Reign Man was a noticeably better rebounder.

Here's the link to a video on YouTube that mainly showcases Kemp’s abilities as a shot blocker and rim protector…

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xL5XSQLNobA

u/DrumDawg9193 — 10 days ago
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🇺🇸🏀🥇 August 8, 1992: USA Men’s Basketball, a.k.a. “Dream Team,” Wins Gold In Barcelona, Spain

Appropriately dubbed by Marv Albert as "The Greatest Team Ever Assembled," the 1992 U.S. Men's National Team steamrolled the competition, going an undefeated 8-0, and defeating opponents by an average margin of victory of 43.8 ppg. On August 8, 1992, the Dream Team defeated Croatia by a score of 117-85 to capture its first gold since the 1984 Olympics in Los Angeles, CA, U.S.A.

The 1992 squad had the distinction of being the first US Men's team to send mostly professional players, 11 NBA veterans and 1 recently-drafted NCAA phenom:

# Name Team
4 Christian Laettner Duke University (drafted by Minnesota Timberwolves on June 24)
5 David Robinson San Antonio Spurs
6 Patrick Ewing New York Knicks
7 Larry Bird Boston Celtics
8 Scottie Pippen Chicago Bulls
9 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls
10 Clyde Drexler Portland Trail Blazers
11 Karl Malone Utah Jazz
12 John Stockton Utah Jazz
13 Chris Mullin Golden State Warriors
14 Charles Barkley Phoenix Suns (traded from Philadelphia 76ers on June 17)
15 Earvin "Magic" Johnson Retired (last played for Los Angeles Lakers)

Some fun facts about this historic team:

  1. While Michael Jordan was regarded as the best player in the world at the time, it was Charles Barkley who would be regarded as the best performer of their dominant run, averaging 18.0 ppg on otherworldly efficiency (71.1% from the field, 87.5% on two-pointers). "The Round Mound Of Rebound" would then carry this momentum into the 1992/1993 NBA season, when he would win MVP in his first year with the Phoenix Suns, leading them all the way to the NBA Finals in June of 1993.
  2. Opponents of severely undermatched nations were frequently starstruck by the NBA legends they were competing against. On one occasion, an opposing player trying to guard Magic Johnson was waving to his teammate on the bench to ensure he took a photograph of him guarding the Laker legend. Other examples included entire opposing teams requesting to take photos with and getting autographs from the Dream Team.
  3. Head Coach Chuck Daly never called one single timeout during their entire run. Let that sink in!
  4. 11 of the 12 were eventually inducted into the Naismith Hall of Fame as individual players after their respective pro careers, with Laettner being the exception. However, the entire squad was inducted as a team in 2010.
  5. And who can forget (see first photo above): Michael Jordan draping the United States flag over his right shoulder to cover up the Reebok logo. He took things personally on a global stage! 🤣

Whether you witnessed this all-time great team or simply read and heard about them: Any additional thoughts or fun facts to share?

And of course we need to ask:

Was this Dream Team the greatest team in USA Men's Basketball history?

Drop your takes below, and the B.A.D. Show just might feature you on a future episode of the podcast!🎙️

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u/NBAOldFart — 12 days ago