The other woman should be held accountable for her actions. When she knowingly participates in an affair, she is complicit in the betrayal and the damage it causes.

Yes, the mistress—the other woman—should be held accountable for her actions. Yes, it’s true that she didn’t make vows to the wife. But that doesn’t mean she has no responsibility for knowingly participating in deception, manipulating the husband, or actively contributing to the breakdown of someone else’s marriage.

I don’t understand why people are so quick to defend the other woman and put her on a pedestal. Why is she treated like a five-year-old child who can't be held responsible for her own actions?

Do people not understand that when you’re married, your first instinct can be to protect your relationship from outsiders who may be trying to interfere with it? It can be difficult to immediately hold your spouse accountable because you love them. You trust them. At first, you may genuinely struggle to believe that the person you built your life with would intentionally hurt you.

So your human instinct may be to look outward—to the person who knowingly entered the situation and had no place in your marriage to begin with. A foreign body.

And yes, the other woman can absolutely become an active participant in undermining the wife. She can study the relationship. She can learn about the wife's vulnerabilities through mutual friends—or even position herself as a friend. She can take a private disagreement between husband and wife and magnify it. She can take a legitimate flaw, frustration, or difficult period in the marriage and repeatedly reinterpret it until the husband begins seeing his wife through an entirely different lens.

And how does it start?

“I'm just being a shoulder to cry on.”

“I'm just checking in.”

“I'm just listening.”

“I'm only giving him advice.”

“Why don't you tell me what's really going on with your wife? Talk to me about her.”

“Let's grab a drink/lunch and talk.”

One conversation becomes another. Private information becomes ammunition. A complaint becomes a narrative. A vulnerability becomes an opening.

And eventually, the person who was supposedly “just a friend” knows exactly where the marriage is weakest. These deceiving women deliberately cultivate emotional intimacy because they see an opening and intend to exploit it. And that's the part I think gets overlooked when everyone says, “The husband is the only one responsible.”

Of course the husband is responsible for his choices. He made the vows. He chose to lie. He chose to betray his wife. But acknowledging his responsibility doesn't require us to pretend the other person's behavior is irrelevant.

If someone knowingly inserts themselves into a marriage, gathers private information, exploits vulnerabilities, encourages resentment, and participates in deception, that behavior deserves accountability too.

Holding the husband accountable does not require giving the mistress a free pass. And giving the mistress accountability does not absolve the husband. Two people can be responsible for the damage in two different ways.

The more we normalize or excuse deliberate interference because “she didn't owe the wife anything,” the easier it becomes to dismiss behavior that is manipulative, deceptive, and destructive.

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u/No_Style_4026 — 1 day ago

When the affair bubble pops…

I just wanted to share my thoughts. Affairs exist in a bubble. It’s basically a controlled environment where two people can experience each other without the full weight of ordinary life. Bills, children, responsibilities, household problems, difficult conversations, accountability, aging, stress, consequences, all the unglamorous realities of life can be pushed outside the bubble.

Inside that bubble, everything can feel exciting for the cheaters. Everything can feel effortless. And because the relationship depends on secrecy, the two people can selectively present themselves to each other. They don't necessarily have to experience the complete or real version of one another. After all, they’ve woven an entire web of lies and deception just to maintain the illusion that they can exist “happily” together.

They get the highlights. They get the escape. They get the attention. They get the fantasy. And morality can become something they conveniently compartmentalize because confronting the harm they're causing would interfere with the experience they're enjoying.

As long as the husband keeps the mistress happy and the mistress keeps the husband happy, the bubble can make it feel as though nothing else matters.

But the outside world still exists. The children still exist. The spouse still exists. The responsibilities still exist. The lies still exist. And eventually, consequences exist too. An affair offers escape without responsibility. Secret dates. Stolen moments. Constant anticipation. No bills together. No household responsibilities. No ordinary routines. No everyday conflicts. No having to see each other at their worst.

But once the bubble pops, the mistress becomes a real person with real flaws, real disagreements and the cracks start to show. She’s no longer desirable, no longer a shiny toy and she’s left scratching her head at why the husband didn’t leave the wife for her.

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u/No_Style_4026 — 1 day ago

JFK Jr’s english essay from middle school on being accident prone.

Written during his 1974 eighth-grade school year at Collegiate School in Manhattan.

I think my life up to this point has been a farce.

It all began when I was born. It just so happened that I was not given the gift of incredible coordination. What I’m trying to say is that I’m accident prone. I cant really tell you all the accidents this has caused me; from falling off a cliff to falling out of trees.

It all started out seven years ago on a campout, I was walking backwards talking to someone. I tripped on some stones on a still-burning fire and was burned like hell on my rear end and hand. I have the scars to prove it. At eight years old while sitting on the back of a bicycle going down a steep hill absentmindedly put my foot into the spokes and ripped my foot up. I also have the scars to prove this.

Just this year I had the worst accident I’ve ever had and I hope to have. Fortunately I escaped major injuries with just a few scrapes. It happened when I was rock climbing and I saw a foothold wich painfully obviously wasn’t there, I put my foot in this non existant foot hole and fell backwards down the side of a cliff for about forty feet.

But I fortunately fell in a four foot long 5 inch deep puddle which broke my fall, six inches farther out and I would have gotten smashed.

I could go on for days about accidents and sheer clutziness but I’ll spare the reader the agony or ecstasy. I just hope the seriousness of this little ailment doesn’t grow with me or I shall be put away quite soon.

u/No_Style_4026 — 5 days ago
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A Poem Written by 14-Year-Old JFK Jr.

In 1974, while attending the Collegiate School in Manhattan, 14-year-old JFK Jr. penned a satirical poem about America 🇺🇸:

Oh lovely land of racial lies
of crooked ways to fame
From Kent State to Sharon Tate
we're proud to bear thy name

America, America
God spared His grace on thee
From atoms to nuclear arms
be proud of U.S.A.

II

And though you're bad
we love you much
You taught us right and wrong
just look at Vietnam, the trouble we caused

America, America
God looks at us from high
to guide us by our forefathers' cry
just like Jerry Ford

This handwritten piece was part of a 2016 RR Auction which included several essays and general schoolwork, originally from his eighth-grade year, preserved by his English teacher, Blake Leach.

u/No_Style_4026 — 6 days ago