Reincarnation is incompatible with Atman/Brahman

Reincarnation is incompatible with Atman/Brahman

Okay, Hindu friends, hear me out.

I'm currently reading the principal Upanishads (just finished reading the Katha) and I realized something.

Correct me if I get any of this wrong, because I'm honestly trying to understand.

A core belief running through Hinduism is that reality is born of the consciousness of Brahman. Our individuated consciousness -- jivatman -- is an illusion; it's really just an expression of the true, shared self (Atman) which is, in turn, an aspect of Brahman.

Fine. I totally get that.

A second core belief is that individuals who do not attain enlightenment are going to be reincarnated, while those that do are "embraced by Brahman" and become one with this Source.

But if jivatman is an illusion, then what exactly is being reincarnated?

See what I'm getting at? There's no self there to reincarnate.

Either it was all Brahman, the whole time, and the separate self doesn't exist, or the self is separate after all, and can be reincarnated.

So which is it?

u/No_Virus5100 — 12 days ago

The Shackles of Mind

Each of us is born with a spirit that yearns to be free, yet we start limiting ourselves from the very beginning. Christened by our parents, we are given an identity that segregates ourselves from others. Over time, we begin to define ourselves: who we are; what we like or dislike; what we excel at or are challenged by. We explain ourselves to others. We even begin to believe that we can never change.

All of this is nonsense. Our very identity is self-authored, and thus, completely within our power to change if we will it.

For example, perhaps a person believes, based on their childhood experiences, that they are not good at math. The reality may be that they had a poor teacher, or that their brain was not developed enough to understand the concepts, or perhaps they simply were not interested in learning math at the time. In any case, with a renewed interest in mathematics, they may be surprised at their own prowess later in life.

Unfortunately, those with the mindset that they cannot do something will not even try: they fail before they even begin. Their very sense of identity prevents them from becoming anything more than they already are.

It is also true in the inverse: those who over-esteem themselves due to past successes arrogantly dive headlong into new challenges that they may not be ready for, sometimes with success, yet other times meet with disaster.

In either case—self-degradation or self-aggrandizement—we either limit or endanger ourselves. So how do we improve?

An exploration of western faiths shows a reinforcement of this sense of identity: in fact, your self is so important that it continues on into an afterlife.

A constant thread in the eastern traditions is the elimination of this concept of self entirely. Through the elimination of the self, we return to our true nature. Gone are all of the emotional ups and downs, the frivolous desires, the limitations we place on ourselves, the fragile workings of our ego. That is not to say that we devalue our lives: it is instead a matter of curing ourselves of our addiction to our identity.

Instead, once we let it all go, we simply exist, in the present, at peace: a spirit finally freed from the shackles of mind.

- The Eternal Significance of the Present

u/No_Virus5100 — 28 days ago

Discussion: The Topics That Divide Us

So I've been in this community about a month.

Here are the points believers tend to differ on:

  • Reincarnation: We were a soul that decided to come here / We were forced to come here / there was no "you" beforehand
  • The goal of enlightenment is ego death vs. ego death isn't possible, even for the enlightened
  • We have free will / we are all puppets of God/Brahman (Determinism)

Where do you stand on these topics?

If you feel strongly one way or another, is that due to what your faith tells you or your own personal enlightenment experience?

What other topics have I missed?

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u/No_Virus5100 — 1 month ago

The Wolf at Our Door

The only constant is change. Nothing lasts forever. This too shall pass. Change is inevitable.

Many are the platitudes about the changing world around us, and these phrases are all undeniably true. Yet they feel like a warning, a harbinger of an existential threat. Change is the wolf at our door.

When we are young, we see change as exciting, but as we age, we desire stability.  Knowing change is inevitable, we seek to be the agents of change so we can direct it, but much is outside of our control. Change, when it happens, often comes at an inopportune time; it upsets our routines, ruins our dreams, and alters our plans. It reminds us of how small we are.

We try to hold fast to the way things are before they become the way things were. It is a perpetual cycle of disappointment, or even disillusionment.

Yet the root of our problem is not change itself, but our reaction to it. It is we who become emotionally attached to a given state of the world, we who want things to never change. We are asking the world to be something it is not.

This desire for stability in an ever-changing world is something that we must free ourselves of if we want peace. Our attachment is the source of our pain.

Conquer yourself. Things will come: let them in. Things will go: let them leave. Until you can do both of these with ease, you will continue to chase after the mirage of stability.

- The Eternal Significance of the Present

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u/No_Virus5100 — 1 month ago

The Gateway of the Stillness beyond All Activity

...full understanding can come to you only through an inexpressible mystery.

The approach to it is called the Gateway of the Stillness beyond all Activity. If you wish to understand, know that a sudden comprehension comes when the mind has been purged of all the clutter of conceptual and discriminatory thought-activity. Those who seek the truth by means of intellect and learning only get further and further away from it.

Not till your thoughts cease all their branching here and there, not till you abandon all thoughts of seeking for something, not till your mind is motionless as wood or stone, will you be on the right road to the Gate.

-Huang Po

u/No_Virus5100 — 1 month ago

A Metaphor for the Skeptics

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Imagine you’re sitting in an auditorium.

On the stage is a box. From your position, you can’t see its contents, and you never will from this angle.

A member of the audience is invited on stage to look into the box and report what they see.

They look in. They say it’s some kind of creature and have never seen anything like it. They describe it as best they can.

One by one other members of the audience are called up to do the same. But their descriptions of the creature are all slightly different.

What do you do?

Do you assume the box is empty? If so, are these people paid actors? Liars? Just crazy? How many people would have to come on stage before you accepted that there was *something* in the box, even if it was indescribable?

What would it take to change your mind? Would you have to see it for yourself?

If so… why not take the path yourself?

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u/No_Virus5100 — 1 month ago

Emotions, Explained

Good morning, Reddit. Here's another except from one my books, The Subtle Architecture of Our Experience.

I have referenced this emotions-as-barometer idea a few times in comments on various posts, but I thought I would just offer up this full chapter (and graphic) for consideration.

Enjoy!
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The soul experiences the world through the mental approximation of our surroundings. Beyond this, the mind provides the soul with additional context: memory, identity, thought, and emotion.

As we move through our daily lives, we don’t merely witness; we feel. The frustration of a traffic jam; the wonder of discovery; the pain of heartbreak; the sense of hope in new life. Emotions, in all their wide and varied forms, appear fluid and beyond our understanding. They seemingly arise from deep within us and reside outside our normal thoughts.  

What are these enigmatic feelings? Why do we experience emotion?

The soul wants to press its will upon the world in order to meet our needs, to satisfy our desires, to further our objectives, and to pursue our ambitions. The world, however, is stubborn and does not always bend to our will.

Our emotions are a response to that tension. They are an abstract, felt indicator of how well the world is aligned to our aspirations and expectations. The mind is always comparing our current reality to how we want things to be, and our feelings are the product of this complex calculus. Emotions are effectively a barometer of the difference between our internal and external worlds.

Our various emotions can be plotted along two axes: how well our expectations currently align with reality and the intensity of the difference.

For instance, when all our needs are met, we feel satisfaction. When satisfaction is sustained, we are at peace. When peace is maintained over time, we experience serenity with the world. In this way, even the most neutral of feelings can have differing levels of intensity.

If things are going well for us, reality may actually exceed our expectations. In these cases, we experience positive emotions: happiness, joy, and, on the extreme end, euphoria. On the other hand, if reality is falling short of our expectations, we begin a descent into sadness, frustration, or even fear.

The intensity of our emotions can at times make them feel irresistible. Cliché phrases like “jumping for joy,” “overwhelming sadness,” “paralyzed with fear,” or “uncontrollable anger” make it sound as though our emotions can supersede the soul as another directing force, but this is not the case. Emotions arise from the mind; while they are part of the overall experiential tapestry that the soul witnesses, there is always a capability—no matter how intense the feeling—to resist our impulses. We are always responsible for our actions; extreme emotions do not exonerate us.

Polite society encourages us to control ourselves by suppressing our emotions. This is easier said than done: we can close the window shade to hide the sight of the storm, but it doesn’t change the weather outside.

The Stoics of ancient Greece saw all emotion as inherently destructive and sought ways to stifle them. They encouraged people to consider that all experiences—both good and bad—must come to an end: including our very lives. By keeping in mind that “this, too, shall pass,” we can find hope during difficult times, and grounding when experiencing euphoria. The core lesson of the Stoics was that if we control our thoughts, our emotions will follow.

This is sage advice, but to truly get a handle on our emotions, we must close the gap between reality and our desires. As the world can be obstinate and immovable, we are left with only one option: we must reframe our expectations.

If we are to reduce the sway emotion has over us, we should implement proven techniques: overcoming false desires, confronting our egos, constraining our ambition, and setting attainable goals. In this way, we decrease our expectations in order to meet the world on its terms rather than trying to force reality to bend to our will. The soul thereby reduces the total pressure our mind is responding to, thus lessening the intensity of our emotions.

Emotions can also arise when we dwell on other time periods. We can have feelings of nostalgia or regret when considering the past, or feelings of eagerness or worry about some imagined future that may never come to pass. Whether we spend our time remembering or predicting, we are sabotaging our goal of reducing emotional turbulence.

We need to stay emotionally grounded and rooted to the present if we are to foster peace within.

u/No_Virus5100 — 1 month ago

Suffering as Confirmation Bias

Good morning and happy Sunday, seeker.

Last night at around 1:30am ET, I woke up from a strange dream and was a little restless, so I did what most of us do these days: I checked my phone.

I read through a post titled “Is anyone truly happy?” The despair felt in the post and many of the comments moved me.

I had a sudden moment of clarity that one only finds while laying in the dark.

I wrote the following comment, which I felt was important enough to deserve its own post before it was lost to the algorithm.

I hope this helps someone.
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The mind is like a dog, always trying to please us; it goes off into reality, scouring memory and predictions, to fetch evidence to support only our viewpoint.

The Buddha said “Life is Suffering,” so everywhere goes the mind, off to prove him right. It shows us only misery, so how does that make us feel?

What if the Buddha had said “Life is Good”? Or “Life is Beautiful”? “Life is Fulfillment”? Or “Life is Enough”? What would your mind show you then?

Yes, life is temporary. Everything is. Happiness is temporary. Pain is temporary. Suffering is temporary. This too, shall pass.

So what can we do?

Try to see the world like a child. The world is full of wonder. See it for what it is.

The world is fundamentally a place of peace. It is we, mankind, who defile it. We hurt each other, then focus on the pain we caused ourselves, and blame it all on the world itself.

If someone chopped food with a knife, is the knife good? If someone purposely cut themselves, is the knife evil?

Bad things do happen. It is not a perfect world. There exists disease, decay, and death. But the fact that there is a world to experience at all is amazing! If we are to suffer, let us do so while still finding amazement in the mystery.

How does a child see the world?

The child knows nothing. The child has no expectations of the world, so every day is an adventure. Every day is a surprise. Every day brings something to be marveled at.

As adults, we predict what tomorrow will bring, and are often disappointed when life doesn’t meet our expectations.

How ridiculous! The world is not here to make our every wish come true! That is work that we have to do!

See the world as it is: a miracle.

Empiricists seek to understand the world. It’s like attending a magic show and being blown away by the performance, only to have your smart-aleck friend theorize the whole ride home as to how the gimmicks were performed.

Yet knowing how the tricks actually work doesn’t make the engineering stagecraft any less brilliant, nor take away from the showmanship, nor does it mean the magic trick just occurred by accident or random chance.

The world is full of joy and wonder. The fact that life conforms to natural laws doesn’t make it any less amazing; it is just evidence as to the pragmatism, the practicality, and the consistency of God (or “the source”, if you prefer).

Send your mind off to find the beauty in the world.

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u/No_Virus5100 — 1 month ago
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The Ascension of the Soul

Happy Saturday, seeker!

This is a compressed summary of two chapters from one of my books, The Specific Gravity of the Soul, rewritten specifically for r/enlightenment. It’s a bit long, but hopefully worth the read.

The version in the book lays this out more slowly (and probably conveys it better). I’m trying to be as direct as I can here, so forgive the brain dump.

I hope this helps you on your journey.

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First, in this discussion about enlightenment, I’ll use the term “soul”. That may cause some to immediately retract. It’s an overloaded, religious-laden term, but “consciousness” is likewise overloaded with scientific (mis)understanding.

Let’s consider the “soul” in this case to be the seat of our subjective experience. It’s not an “ego” that needs to be killed. It is the very core of who we are. Think of it as your computational thread of attention.

As a soul, we are entangled with our minds. Our minds are likewise entangled with our bodies. Both body and mind are noisy things. They constantly distract our attention on the path.

In psychology, Abraham Maslow’s famous hierarchy of needs provides a map of these distractions. Some, like physiological needs, must be met; some needs (esteem needs in particular) can be transcended.

Maslow tops his hierarchy with what he calls self-actualization: the realization of one's full potential. This involves achievements in the arts, at work, the experience of “flow,” and so on.

As nice as it would be to stay at this pinnacle of self-actualization, each need can be sated only to emerge again, pulling the rug out beneath us and forcing us to pay attention to it. The soul is constantly playing a game of “whack-a-mole”, deciding which need to fulfill and in what order.

The hierarchy of needs represents the ascension of the soul, from the primitive needs of the body to the expression of the individual. But is self-expression really the highest peak that the soul can attain?

Self-actualization—becoming all one can be—seems somewhat vague and shallow. What about the desire to help others, to give back to the world? What about spiritual needs?

Even Maslow recognized this was missing, so later in his career he modified the hierarchy of needs to include another tier above self-actualization called transcendence.

But how does one learn to transcend the self? What does that even mean?

Let us be so bold as to continue Maslow’s hierarchy with additional levels, representing the additional heights a soul may climb.

Our first step beyond self-actualization is self-awareness. Self-awareness is a cognitive mirror. It begins with self-reflection: we examine ourselves, our character, our motives, and desires. We picture ourselves from a third-person’s perspective, compare this to our ideology and ethics, and take note of where we may be lacking.

In order to do something about those discovered deficiencies, we must ascend to the next tier in our augmented hierarchy: self-control. Here, we begin monitoring and revising our own thoughts and behavior. We second-guess our motivations; we pause before responding to a given situation to ensure we are aligning our behavior with our principles. We practice restraint and enrich our character.

In the west, most people stop here; but there are still other levels the soul may ascend to.

Beyond self-control is selflessness. In the west, we think of selflessness as another word for charity. While charity is a behavior that naturally arises from a selfless being, people who maintain a self-image can also be charitable.

When we attain selflessness, we come to the realization that the self—our very ego—is just another construct of the mind, and thus, in our power to not only edit—as we did through self-control—but eliminate it entirely. Since many of the higher-order needs—social needs, esteem needs, self-actualization—exist solely to support this self-image, overthrowing the self is a means to permanently overcome these needs.

Once we manage to win this internal struggle, we move on to self-transcendence. In this stage, we move beyond the battle of self and non-self; we abandon the entire illusion of our individuality. Our personal boundaries fade away, and we identify with all life.

Finally, there is enlightenment. Here we feel a profound connection with the universe or “the source”. We perceive the importance of all life, including our own. We feel that every moment is significant, and we have the distinct impression that everything is going according to plan.

Enlightenment is the highest state of consciousness the soul can experience without crossing the veil of death and reuniting with the source of all life.

There are multiple paths to climb up this ladder, but these are what I believe to be the actual stages one moves through.

Feel free to ask questions, I'll do my best to answer. 

u/No_Virus5100 — 1 month ago

Hot Take: One’s Path to Enlightenment is Self-Fulfilling Prophecy

Jennifer read all the books. She knows enlightenment requires sacrifice. She knows there are ten steps to get to the first of the twenty-five gates between her and enlightenment. She knows this process will take years, but she wants to be experience it, so she sets off on her journey.

Dan the LSD man feels enlightenment will come if he finds the right mix of drugs.

Debbie expects enlightenment will come if she just understands scripture well enough.

Bob expects there are no true obstacles between him and enlightenment. He does his inner work and expects nothing. In time, the gate is opened.

Be like Bob.

Paths are tools, but they are also obstacles. If you adopt a ladder of a thousand rungs, know you will then have to climb every rung.

Adopt a footstool instead.

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u/No_Virus5100 — 2 months ago

Why are you here?

Followers in this subreddit, what brings you here?

Are you a seeker of enlightenment?

Do you seek to guide others on their path?

Are you here to observe, mock, and troll?

Something else?

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u/No_Virus5100 — 2 months ago

How did it feel? [Post-enlightenment reflections; notes to myself[

There are a lot of folks asking what enlightenment feels like.

I wrote the following notes after having a mystical experience, and subsequent mental breakdown, in 2021.

I have since written multiple philosophical books in an attempt to capture what I learned from this experience and share it with others. (Check my profile if you're curious,)

I hope this helps other seekers.

>I felt connected to something greater than myself. And while the feeling of being connected was new, I felt that the connection itself was always there. It was more like I was noticing it for the first time. Like the connection had been subconscious before, and it was now in my consciousness. Or almost like a detail that’s so ubiquitous it was like background noise and you never noticed it before.

>While I was experiencing the connection, I described it to others as seeing the world through the eyes of god. This was the only way I could describe it at the time, and my attempt to describe it to people who believe in a deity.

>It was a shock to me, most of all, who had been such a raving atheist and skeptic, to feel connected to some higher mind. But calling it God doesn’t seem accurate in the sense that I didn’t feel like it was something to fear. Nor did I feel it "thought" in the human sense of the word.

>It radiated light, warmth, love, acceptance, forgiveness, confidence. While connected to it, I felt the interconnectedness of all things; the cause and effect that is constantly unfolding around us—what the Buddhists call Karma and what the Christians call God’s Plan. I could sense these connections as clearly as I can see or hear. Everything was unfolding exactly how it should and everything was alright. I was in awe of the present.

>I felt connected to my fellow man on a deeper level. I told my family that I bet I could become friends with anyone. I beamed confidence and I felt like I could cut through anyone’s defense mechanisms and talk to them at their deepest level. And I deeply desired that connection. I wanted to give others this experience, or at least help them in some way.

>My own defense mechanisms were gone. I was so true in my being, so powerful in my persona, that I didn’t need them anymore. My psyche was invincible—no one could hurt me.

>My depression, ever present on some level, was gone. I felt a childlike joy for the first time in years.

>The connection was also a spiritual Internet of sorts. Being connected to this higher mind (for the lack of a better name) gave me direct access to deep, fundamental knowledge. I felt like I could ask anything and it would give me the answer, wholly, truly. These questions and answers were not codified in words; they were mere impressions. I received answers almost before I could even ask the question.

>I felt connected to my father and his father, both long deceased. I felt their love and warmth and personalities and knowledge as well. And they also communed with me in the same way—not through words but through the same direct, compressed thought. I described it as communicating through emotion at the time, but raw thought might be better. Words were not used, but the information was conveyed regardless.

>I learned some things while connected to the higher mind. And I felt compelled to write.  

>To describe the higher mind—diety, god, whatever—will be difficult. It was golden and white, like a star, but more like a galaxy in its “shape”. But it’s difficult to say it had form or shape because it is not of this plane. There are multiple dimensions to existence and we are only consciously aware of five of these—length, width, depth, time, and mind. Just as time is a dimension both inside and throughout the physical, and though we are aware of time but cannot touch it, the higher planes are woven through the lower and can indirectly impact them. The godmind sits in a dimension above our own. It is ever present and available to all things. I say it is in another dimension, but because, by existing in that dimension it is ever present, it so fills up that dimension that there is no space for anything else. You might as well say that the godhead and the dimension it resides in are one.

>Our individual minds exist in another dimension. Unlike the godhead we each take up a small space in this dimension just like we take up small space in the physical. Our minds are spherical like little bubbles floating in a vast darkness, all alone. Our only way to connect to each other, it appears to us, is through the physical world, and we desire most of all is not to be left alone in the darkness.

>Our souls—so ephemeral, so easy to deny—are on yet a higher plane. Soul is like raw life. The mind does the thinking, but it is the soul that experiences both the reality and the thought. It is who the mind is taking to. We are all part of the godhead and will return into it when we die. We originate from god, so to speak, and will return to it. It’s less an act of creation or birth or division or separation as it is a cycle of nature. Like the precipitation cycle. God is the ocean that we all come from and will eventually return to become a part of. In a way we are separated but this is only temporary, and perhaps even illusory, and we will all return back from whence we came. The Zen Buddhists use the metaphor of the dewdrop forming then flowing back into the sea. Did the dewdrop lose its nature?  There are some philosophies that state that we are all god, or that god is a part of us, or that our souls belong to god; they are all right and all wrong simultaneously. Things get lost in translation.

>I could see, from that vantage point, the moon that all the fingers of the different religions were trying to point to. I felt like I could understand how they were all correct, yet got lost; like taking metaphor too far. Or perhaps they didn’t have the words to describe their experience.

>Speaking of arrogance, in case someone else comes across these notes later, the one thing I positively want to stress is that I in no way feel like I am special or somehow deserving of the experience that I‘m describing. Nor do l think having had the experience am I somehow better than other people. Even while I was in that state of mind, I knew I was undeserving of the experience and even said to others that I didn’t deserve it. If anything, the experience was about how we are all connected and are all the same. Arrogance doesn’t fit into that experience at all. Patience, yes. Kindness, yes. Arrogance, never. 

>I didn’t sense that the god had a name. It certainly did not have a human styled sense of identity. There was no Jesus, no Buddha, nothing except …it. This massive well of souls, the uniform, universal consciousness. If it had a sense of identity it would be much more akin to the “I am what I am” that god said to Moses.  No name is required, for who else might be mistaken for it? There’s no need to differentiate between this universal consciousness and another. There’s no need for individual identity when there is no limit to your existence in breadth or time. It is all. It is everywhere. That is enough.

>So in many ways, the quest I set myself on in my twenties—the search for a universal truth—is now over. I tried many different faiths, and spent a very long time as an atheist, having given up on religions. Now, ironically, having had my personal religious awaking I’ve surrounded myself with those who do not believe in anything. I have a belief that is all my own, a personal religion that in a practical sense is still very similar to my atheism, but has more hope and ultimately faith in a better ending.

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u/No_Virus5100 — 2 months ago

Determinists, looking to the past, see that both cars and trains leave tracks behind, then make the leap of logic to assume the car, like the train, has no directional control.

u/No_Virus5100 — 2 months ago