u/P1xelEnthusiast

I don't fully understand why people on Reddit at large seem to disagree with this statement so vehemently.

Obviously, libertarian types are more individualistic so this idea isn't so foreign, but it really isn't foreign at all throughout the world both secular and spiritual.

Eastern Faith: https://youtube.com/shorts/qSKrftbw5p4?si=QsE0lf7aX5qsQzwd

Western Faith: https://youtube.com/shorts/BBd8IxmvQMo?si=z\_SMzz664WoLKKMW

Western Secularism: https://youtu.be/Up4xeXyFTfY?si=sjwxP2D5-ie4cXss

Western Secular Pop Culture: https://youtube.com/shorts/tZUC-uAGLEA?si=-BSHpahAmPZ\_Uwhd

It isn't exactly a controversial idea.

That said, if you even SUGGEST elsewhere on Reddit that someone's problems are NOT a result of "the system" failing them, there is a massive backlash. I truly don't understand it.

Outside of contemporary post-mordernism I can't find many schools of thought that don't have "you are your own worst enemy" at the core.

Even with just a few minutes of quiet self reflection, thought systems aside, how do most people not arrive at that?

This is a really interesting battle in our fan base so I wanted to make a post about it.

Why is this interesting?
The Steelers need a QB 1. You have a ton of Pitt, Penn State, and Ohio State fans in this base. None of them particularly care for the other's school very much. Both of these guys are going to get a real shot at substantial playing time if Aaron Rodgers doesn't come back.

The Camps
Will Howard Truthers - There are people who believe that Will Howard is the next franchise QB and that his draft value is not at all aligned with his actual playing ability.

Drew Allar Homers - There are people that believe Drew Allar due to his beautiful throwing motion alone could make him the next franchise QB.

2027 Draft Doomers - There are people who attest that both of these guys suck and we need a QB in the 2027 draft.

The Physical Comparison

Both of these players are very nearly the same size physically.

Howard

• Height - 6'4'' 2/8
• Combine Weight - 236
• Hand size - 9'' 5/8
• Arm Length - 32'' 2/8
• 40 Time - 4.85

Allar

• Height - 6'5''
• Combine Weight - 228
• Hand size - 9'' 7/8
• Arm Length - 32'' 6/8
• 40 Time - 4.9

Advantage: EVEN

College Stats

Howard 2024 Ohio State

• Yards - 4,010
• Completion Percentage 75% (School Record)
• Pass TDs - 35
• INTs - 10
• Rush TDs - 7

Allar 2024 Penn State (he was injured in 2025)

• Yards - 3,326
• Completion Percentage 64.8%
• Pass TDs - 24
• INTs - 8
• Rush TDs - 6

Advantage: Will Howard.

Awards

Will Howard

• College Football National Champion - 2024
• College Football National Championship MVP - 2024
• Cotton Bowl MVP - 2024
• Big 12 Offensive Player of The Year - 2023
• Big 12 Champion - 2022
• Maxwell Club PA High School Player of the Year - 2020

Drew Allar

• Ohio Mr. Football - 2021

Advantage: Will Howard

I truly am not trying to be ridiculous here. It is the only thing Allar has won.

Injury History

Will Howard

• Will Howard broke a small bone in his hand in hand during training camp and missed the pre-season.
• In college he had normal injury activity and he missed no games due to injury.

Drew Allar

• Drew had a catastrophic ankle break. He was carted off the field in the 4th Quarter against Northwestern. It ended his college career.

Advantage: Will Howard

Highlights

We all know that the WORST way to evaluate a player is by watching their YouTube highlights, unless of course that player is Tavon Austin. You should really watch this hoopie torch people if you never have. This video was a major factor in Jeff Fischer getting himself fired (among many reasons, he spent a top 10 pick on Tavon). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3_UNFZHSQU

Will Howard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNu6JsfVQOQ (Yinzburg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbPsR3SVGjk (Yinzburg Rushing with bonus advocacy from Gruden)

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hRdLa-bd5-k (This is just a ballsy play with the National Championship on the line. Instead of going underneath the bombs one on 3rd and 11 to end the game.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKftOa_TsV0 (Actual Film Analysis from former NFL QB Kurt Benkert

Drew Allar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6obqwN-Kcc (Yinzburg. He has some really nice plays against UMass, Kent State, and that game they almost lost to Bowling Green)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyRJyxuWgig (Actual Film Analysis from Kurt Warner)

Records Against Top Teams

Will Howard ( 8-3 against top 10 teams. Key general wins below)

• No. 1 Oregon (Rose Bowl. Notably, he did lose to Oregon in the Regular season with a mental mistake where he slid too late. Had he slid earlier they likely would have won the game)
• No. 3 Texas
• No. 3 Penn State (vs Drew Allar)
• No. 5 Notre Dame
• No. 5 Indiana ( https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7ZwknBCsCWk Google that)
• No. 7 Tennessee
• No. 3 TC (Big 12 Championship)

Drew Allar ( 1-8 against top 10 teams. Key general wins below)

• No. 9 Boise State
• No. 11 SMU
• No. 13 USC
• No. 24 Iowa

He threw backbreaking interceptions against Notre Dame in the College Football Playoff in 2024 and against Oregon in the 2025 Regular Season rematch of the 2024 Big 10 Championship PSU vs Oregon game, which he also lost.

In the biggest game of his life, the Orange Bowl against ND with a trip to the National Championship on the line, he completed only 12 passes on 23 attempts for 135 yards with 0 TD and 2INT (one to seal the game). Not a single one of his completions was to a WR. Think about that, he truly had 0 completions to anyone other than an RB or TE in the biggest game of his life. I don't know about you guys, but I have had enough east west / sideline / dump off passing activity in the past 10 or so years as a Steelers fan to last the rest of my life. That same Notre Dame team went on to lose to Will Howard and the Buckeyes.

Advantage: Will Howard

Draft Position

Will Howard

• 6th Round pick 185
• According to 237 Sports 6th Round QB's have a roughly 4% chance of being a long term starter in the NFL

Drew Allar

• 3rd Round pick 76
• According to 237 Sports 3rd Round QB's have a roughly 9% chance of being a long term starter in the NFL

Doomers will say that they both suck based off of their draft position. Perhaps they are right. That said, JJ McCarthy was a worse prospect than both of these guys by far on paper and was taken in the first. He is also proving to be complete ass. I think far too much stock gets placed on draft pick round. Don't get me wrong, there is an advantage to the higher rounds but it isnt as clear as anyone thinks. (Rodgers was selected 24. Christian Ponder was 12 overall. Mason Rudolph was a 3rd rounder. Tom Brady was a 6th rounder. Purdy was Mr. Irrelevant) It is largely a crap shoot with a slight advantage to the higher rounds.

Advantage: Drew Allar

Context from (u/themechatron) that shows there was VERY LITTLE between them in terms of pre-draft consensus.

• Will Howard consensus big board: 116
• Drew Allar consensus big board: 121
• Will Howard The Beast: 4th round grade
• Drew Allar The Beast: 3rd-4th round grade
• Will Howard NFL.com prospect grade: 5.90 (average backup)
• Drew Allar NFL.com prospect grade: 5.98 (average backup)

Attitude

I mostly put this one in here for fun, but I do have genuine concerns about Allar's attitude toward the Steelers. He is a life long Browns fan who until going to college never missed a home game from the time he was 8yo.

Will Howard

• Getting Picked https://www.youtube.com/shorts/P7uab4gN7lc
• Announcing Himself https://www.youtube.com/shorts/l2V4sEA5AJE

Drew Allar

• Getting Picked https://www.youtube.com/shorts/MF15FLqvtTQ (he genuinely doesn't want to put the hat on, but I might not either if the Steelers owned my team and stadium for my entire childhood. The girl who I assume is his girlfriend, she seems confused as to why he isnt happy.)
• Announcing Himself https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ir2CvTsO2gY

Advantage: Will Howard

Summary

One of these QBs threw for 35TDs, 4,050 yards, and has a school record completion percentage of 75% all while winning the National Championship.

The other QB is Drew Allar.

People can talk about the quality Howard had around him all they want. Feel free to go there. He had amazing talent. That said, he still had to beat all those really good teams. Ohio State's current QB, Julian Sayin, had even more talent this year and couldn't win it all. Scouts say that Sayin is a top 10 pick in 2028. (Sayin is a little guy too at 6'1'' 208)

I will admit that Drew Allar has a very pretty throwing motion, but he hasn't done anything of significance with it. To the Penn State fans here - would you really say that PSU has an ocean worth of talent disparity compared to Ohio State? I would not. We aren't exactly comparing a MAC school to the SEC here. Allar was expected to do way more and did not. Penn State was ranked pre-season #2 and the Allar story ended with Franklin fired and Allar getting carted off the field. I genuinely would like to hear how a true Penn State fan feels about the kid, because they had to watch him play a lot of mixed football.

To me there is no question that Will Howard is the better prospect.

I am all for being wrong, because I want the Steelers to find their next franchise QB (and honestly most days I am more doomer that it is neither of these guys) but the folks here acting like Howard should be cut and Allar is the better prospect just simply aren't going deeper than Round 3 > Round 6.