Image 1 — When the fans are almost as bad as the exploiters. Emilie kiser’s fangirls
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When the fans are almost as bad as the exploiters. Emilie kiser’s fangirls

Emilie Kiser should be mortified about this comment. No humility, whatsoever. Even her most faithful stans cannot reckon with this. It’s patently false. She could have just ignored it. But she hearted it ànd said “thx”. It may be a troll, but 1k have liked it.

She and Brady caused their child’s existence or “turn on earth” or “one life” to end. Perhaps as early as 90 years prematurely. It wasn’t an accident.

Yes. They should be gutted ànd miserable. This isn’t an end by cancer. It’s a slow painful end they chose for their son. What’s worse is they turned around and set up a similar scenario for kid two, while cosplaying water safety advocates.

She’s a lying, child exploi+ing bit(h. Instead, she appears in a 2k 🩸 money outfit.

Trigg isn’t smiling down. If he understood how overconsumption was prioritized over his life, he would feel similarly to anyone with a brain. But he can’t.

He has no capacity to feel anger or luck. You can blame the people you are calling amazing.

u/Relative-Narwhal-519 — 4 days ago
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The reason people hate this woman: all of her relationships are transactional and anchored in exploitation: with kids, husband, and followers

With kid: he paid the price of death because although she loved him, he died because of her need to ring in more transactions via the open water TikTok set. His videos are still up, but we saw how fast she protected an underperforming phone licking ad: deletion. Son can’t even rest in peace. He’d be PrOuD

With husband: her desire to cling to the grifting, shilling, and fraud (lying and deceiving about products and not disclosing) keeps him relevant, mocked, and publicly flogged. He’s featured to up views. But money wins.

With her followers: she doesn’t disclose ads, is a predatory friend because she abuses the trust and loyalty that friendship creates. She asks people to believe that she is simply sharing what she genuinely loves, while that trust is converted to clicks, purchasing of land fill crap, and brand value.

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u/Relative-Narwhal-519 — 1 month ago

EK’s true personality. Nah, she doesn’t consider you guys her cOmMuNiTy if she’s not shilling products. She’s smug, arrogant, and condescending

Old video where she freely showed who she truly is. She don’t gaf about her “girlies.” Why have we funded these mean grifters?

It’s wild to me that the new, not as ratchet and smug because she risks alienating the dwindling fan base. That’s why she erased a bunch of videos today, including the licking of that phone.

Can’t erase Trigg’s videos though cuz unlike the phone licking, his videos are worth their weight in paying off the house.

And she’s right back to shilling for flamingo razor, sadly.

u/Relative-Narwhal-519 — 1 month ago

Emilie Kiser in her golden age bragging about how the dice on her custom cup represent her super cute middle name “gamble”

Mentions being a mom, her goals for her community, etc.

And this is what she’s trying so hard to get back to: being adored, envied, and having sponcon with the big brands.

She was fraud back then, too. Was just Getting into her snake oil era.

Too bad she let the overconsumption go to her head to the point where vanity and the allure of increased riches stopped her from protecting her child, even after being allegedly offered a free fence. Her set was more important to her.

What is she wearing?

u/Relative-Narwhal-519 — 1 month ago

Daily drills and emilie Kiser are allegedly above disclosing material connection (gifting needs to be disclosed)

Daily drills is overpriced, doesn’t allow returns, and allegedly uses sweat shop labor in India. Is that child labor?

And charges 200 bucks an item. And the items aren’t organic cotton.

Aside from all that, they are allegedly showering the neglectful mom with pre-released PR, so gifting her multiple items, which she doesn’t disclose as gifts.

E said this on TikTok that she’s getting pre-released merchandise.

Nice “organic”, but fraudulent advertising if this is all true because material connections need to be released. Not surprising E would blow off a regulation, like she did the fence (they ignored county law).

What do the owners care, though? They sold their company for 65 million, remain stakeholders, and will get millions more for their IME Walmart quality clothing if they make their 2029 quota.

So they are slapping this stuff on the reckless endangerment mother in hopes that it looks organic (not like an ad) and her minions will go into debt.

u/Relative-Narwhal-519 — 1 month ago

Clearing up misinformation. E never wanted any of the investigatory materials released, opposed even the redacted version. And drownings are almost never recommended for charges, but B’s was so bad that it cleared the threshold.

I wanted to display, all in one place, some accountability. I present this info from court documents that may not be accessible to the general public. I will not go into great lengths because I want people to follow.

  1. the first is from her original lawsuit in may 2025 when she rushed to court days after his death to save her brand. misinformation and fan fiction has helped fund a pro-e narrative: that is, she only wanted the graphic footage sealed. No. She wanted ever last word hidden so her brand would not suffer. See the pic. So while she lies to you about honesty and “just sharing my life”, pic one tells the real story

  2. misinformation has been brought to this sub saying that she was amenable to a redacted version being released. This is also patently false according to the motion in picture two. She has been fighting for over a year to hide the full truth.

  3. see the beginning of paragraph two “Although”. Many people say parents are seldom charged. While this is true, keep in mind that B’s alleged negligence passed a threshold which differentiated his “crime” and put this allegedly negligent family into another category wherein the police believed he should be charged. This is esp relevant for people who say this was an accident like any other, that T was merely a drowning stat (no, the police saw him as a child abuse victim first and foremost).

u/Relative-Narwhal-519 — 2 months ago

EK is an MLM hun. Just change MLM or company name to influencer and it’s the same fraud, exploitation, and lying that underlies both.

MLM is now looked upon with great suspicion and stigma.

The MLM huns have moved cunningly from “just sharing an amazing life-changing product” to “just sharing my life, but, oh, this product works great, btw; I am even giving you a discount!”

Ingenious! But fraudulent, cunning, and unethical influencer culture with the added exploitation of child labor that has become, in EK’s case, alleged child abuse and neglect.
It’s eerie how much overlap there is here.

I’d actually say MLM was a little less predatory because there wasn’t quite the same guise of friendship, intimacy, and access to someone’s private life, and there wasn’t nearly as much child labor baked into the business model.

I mean zero disrespect to SW, btw. CW is one of the most repulsive men alive, but I think these screenshots illustrate exactly why the public is getting sick of snake-oil saleswomen trying to dupe other women while pretending they’re simply “sharing their lives.”

EK is definitely not a woman promoting and uplifting other women. She monetizes the illusion of friendship, then sells directly into the trust that illusion creates. She preys on vulnerable women who are not discerning enough to recognize when intimacy is actually advertising.

u/Relative-Narwhal-519 — 2 months ago

I’ll keep shouting this from the rooftop: draft king is not gonna speak out cuz e taking the blame martyrs her more.

Everyone keeps demanding that draft king “step up,” apologize, or publicly take responsibility for his role. He is not going to do that and treating his silence as some personal failure to speak underestimates how calculated and cunning her machine is. 

E is the softer, more sympathetic target. She can take the blame without the blame functioning entirely as blame. With her, culpability gets "read" as bravery, accountability, grief, motherhood, and sacrifice. 🤮🤑

She gets praised for “owning it,” praised for protecting D. Raft King, praised for carrying the burden. And because she is already framed as the grieving and pregnant mother, criticism of her is recast as cruelty. So tired of watching people be duped. Even creators are asking to hear from him! Ain’t happening.

Draft publicly taking responsibility would not advance the grift. It would require him to make admissions about what happened. The statute of limitations still exists. There is no PR advantage in having him publicly explain his own failures.

Meanwhile, E can absorb the blame and soften it. He gets silence and she gets sympathy. He avoids admissions, she gets to perform accountability. Win-win for the Grifters. 

And even in his silence, he has already managed to create two separate PR problems for the brand: the reels and the life-jacket situation. Ppl are àll acting like this is true sharing of friends with friends. It’s anything but. This isn’t some community where there’s honest exchange.

So I am baffled by people, even critics (this is happening all over TT now) continuing to insist he shoulder the blame for his poor, sad wife. She’s so BrAvE. 🤮

The same image bullshit is happening with this absurd narrative that E is carrying the entire household while he does nothing. Are you kidding? He does almost all of the childcare and did even before the drowning. She does not drive her kid to school, pick him up, or fix dinner. Even on the boat while she was frockling and giggling in the ocean like a school child while also showing her ass like an OF star to the camera on the death anniversary, he was on child duty. Please. She does NOTHING. I mean, they both really do nothing. She sits in her car and cries when numbers are down while he gets ready to get it on with her when she walks back in. Before they get hot and heavy in the sack, they collectively cringe at the sad saps fooled by them ànd laugh. No, really they do. She hates her lowbrow followers who have outed themselves as equally negligent.

Anyway:
Cleaning? Performative.
Taking all the blame? Performative.
The self-sacrificing-wife routine?
Performative.

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u/Relative-Narwhal-519 — 2 months ago

she told the truth about how mentally damaging this is—so why the f don’t you go away, you money hungry b?

So, it’s not therapeutic like her Stans said it was. It doesn’t bring normalcy, like her stans said it did.

She being on here daily, being arrogant, and not shutting that shit camera down LED TO THIS. The camera was rolling and se wasn’t aware of what it captured.

Stop saying this is a job. No one’s job is based in sadism.

Your job forces you to lie and exploit children and others for solvency. It forces you to expose your family to evisceration. Real celebs, w actual talent, have gone into hiding for much less.

Any other “job” would have fired you for wrongful death on the clock.

So most of us have been saying for months that this can’t be helpful or therapeutic for her or her family. And tonight, she admitted it.

She is that crazy hungry for money that nothing can stop this Faustian bargain? Greed is an evil thing and I don’t see how she has one follower.

She’s a liar, à manipulator, ànd à child abuser (yes, she recklessly endangered that child).

Also, she threw this video up right before she was about to dip under 5.1 million. Go away with a shred of dignity!

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u/Relative-Narwhal-519 — 2 months ago

Assessing her character on fact and not fiction, wishful thinking, or hagiography. People who defend her base their defense on pure fan-fiction and unknowables and it’s tiresome

Basing criticism of EK on the facts of this macabre situation is not snarking or bullying. It never was. It’s not vitriol. Most people’s criticisms of EK center on 1-6 below, all of which are facts. Not snark. Not mean-girling.

People’s defenses, on the other hand, rely on pure fiction (see last paragraph).

What we know about her that is wholly factual:

  1. She and husband had not one of seven safety measures in place (fence, net, high latches, locking doors, alarms, supervision, toys around the pool). This is over with, so let’s concentrate on the rest as no one deserves to be maligned forever:

  2. She has monetized her deceased son for content, selling products, and has left his videos up. This has rewarded her handsomely. She has monetized her second son’s body parts, room, food, etc. She used his swimming trunks to pretend like she was doing a water safety ad, when it was merely a RL ad.

While the comments on her stories get regular likes, a screen cap someone took of him walking has 5k likes compared to a couple hundred on other comments. So gross. Exploitation of the kid pays, and it’s creepy that grown women and pdfs are swooning over his body.

  1. She lied about IRS lessons

  2. She lied by omission on the podcast

  3. She/they flagrantly and blatantly disregarded all basic safety precautions on a boat

  4. She lied about being a water advocate

Take EK the person out of this narrative. Would you still feel protective if this were a poor person of color in a trailer? Absolutely not.

Why is she still getting any grace? Why are people calling her a “good”, but “shit happens” mom? Why are we shamed if we judge someone (based on facts) who should have been shamed OFF the internet?

I really don’t understand why she ever got a pass at all. Actually, I do. It’s her demographic.

But it’s odd to see people still defending a woman and basing their defense on unknowable character traits or just lies:

She’s a wonderful mother, she loves her community, she loved t so much (maybe, but it doesn’t negate 1-6), she’s so strong, she stopped showing her kids, she’s being bullied, she has ADHD, this is therapeutic, everyone is negligent, it was a freak accident, stop bullying a grieving mother, she learned her lesson, she’s so sweet, she’s humble, she’s relatable, she’s authentic, I love her, etc.

I would like to hear from anyone still uses lies to defend her.

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u/Relative-Narwhal-519 — 2 months ago

It should have been “curtains closed” last May. Many thought she’d never be back but instead, she came back without am ounce of humility

For those saying enough is enough, the “haters” (read: those who never bought her schtick) did not cause her “downfall” or fall from grace.

Her arrogance, greed, and inability to exercise even basic restraint did.

I believe her major miscalculation is that she was so insulated by the cocoon of sycophant Stans that she believed she was untouchable. Instead of humbling herself and being grateful she even had an audience to return to (a POC, man, or someone poor or old wouldn’t have had one), she was arrogant, cocky, and pushed boundaries.

If she had simply stuck to GRWMs, OOTDs, vacations, à bit of planned giving, and shown even a trace of humility, the “haters” eventually would have lost interest. I would have, but I couldn’t turn away from the spectacle. I’ve never seen anything like this.

Her greed would not allow her to stop monetizing every moment of her life, even when during the death anniversary. She repeatedly sabotaged herself.
She clapped back, flaunted her wealth, sneered at criticism, and carried on with the smug confidence of someone who believed grief had granted her permanent immunity from accountability. She danced, mukbanged, “activated her bob,” cackled, paraded her draft king around (many times for clap backs), and treated public disgust like just another engagement metric.

I believe the life jacket was the breaking point. I think many people felt ill-at-ease after a year of cognitive dissonance where filling her cup reached epic proportions not even enjoyed by royalty. Linking 800 dollar hats, but also 15 dollar ones for commission. This way, the plebs can drool over her purchase, but she can make commission from theirs.

If she hadn’t been so thoroughly arrogant for an entire year, perhaps people would have continued to be charitable or wouldn’t be as adamant on cancelling her after the life jacket.

She is so repulsive ànd reviling ànd I will never buy the idea that this falls into the parameters of normative grief.

Here are some highlights

u/Relative-Narwhal-519 — 2 months ago
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Debunking five major myths about the martyrology Emilie Kiser (applies to most influencers) i

Some of y'all need a briefer on mythology and martyrdom 

It's odd to me that the delusion continues in the wake of strike two of reckless endangerment (now at 100% of her kids).  How can you think this whole jig has an iota of authenticity? She views you as nuisance to contend with in order to retain her lavish, overconsumptionist lifestyle while gloating and brandishing her purchases to people who are struggling to afford the basics (three days of clothing in Mallorca reached 30k). In what social setting is it considered couth to constantly show off? They are all disingenuous, but most don't have a death on their resume. 

People are waking up to the narrative of the martyrdom of EK, but these myths need to be debunked: 

EK is a martyr for shouldering the blame since Draft King won't speak up 

This is the most laughable. She's the softer, more strategic target of the two--the one who evokes audience empathy as a female and now a pregnant female. The king has no agency and has likely been advised to shut up, lest he risk self-implication. Draft King hasn't even spoken up and has brought wrath to the brand twice now (liking that reel and the life jacket--imagine what would happen if he actually spoke?). If she were a martyr, she'd get off the internet so Draft King could avoid daily excoriation. 

 "Swim Safety” was Just a $54 Ralph Lauren Ad  
 So the Ralph Lauren infographic (not a typo--it wasn't a swimming safety post, it was an ad. It was light green suit) fooled many of you. Aside from that, T1 did not succumb first abd foremost to a swim statistic (one in four drown), as she'd like you to believe. It was negligence, but Emilie Kiser doesn't not want to associate with the negligent parenting "community" because most are in prison for like-crimes, i.e., those that truly have things in common with her are behind bars. Besides, the "neglectful community" doesn't look and spend like her. If anything, she should be part of the April movement (anti-child abuse, which includes neglect). The shorts in her ad were not the correct color. So she was sending people to buy unsafe shorts to make a buck.

EK is a martyr because she's being bullied and harassed. She’s suffered the ultimate. Leave her alone

Grief does not absolve blame. It’s not a moral detergent and many in correctional facilities, residents contend with paralysing regret, shame, and being locked up. I am not saying she should be in prison, but there wasn’t a slap on the wrist for either.

Talking about a public influencer, who will not go away, is not harassment. She is not being cornered, contacted, or forced to read it. Being offended by strangers discussing your public behavior does not make you a victim. Maybe take your fake fucking bullshit and get a job. I promise you, people will forget you in a month. You haven't a shred of talent).

EK is a wonderful mother (all over her page) and you cannot form judgment about her motherhood because we only see a silver of her day 
The life jacketless boy appeared for a few seconds. We cannot prove what happens off camera, but when the sliver that appears shows a safety failure, it is perfectly reasonable to question what the rest looks like. You cannot insist the camera shows too little to judge her while also pretending everything outside the frame must be better.

EK is authentic and we miss her 
Sad and pathetic women mistake marketing for friendship. She talks like you are her bestie because it sells products. You keep defending a woman who does not know you exist.

u/MaterialAccurate887 — 2 months ago

Should we bother with Ivies?

Parent here.

35 ACT (36 reading). Flyover state, ruralish town. Full IB. 3.9 unweighted, 4.7 weighted (honors is only .5 bump, so the weighted gpa is near the top).

ECs are very mid. Lots of volunteering, but no state medals, did not start a non-profit, or cure cancer, like every other kid on here.

I see the stats on here and I am in awe. I tried to push my kid freshman year ànd they were not interested. You can lead a horse to water . . .

Other kid was at a top six, non-Ivy with lower testing stats, but better ECs.

I hate hate hate this EC crap. Sorry. I know it moves the needle for some.

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u/Relative-Narwhal-519 — 2 months ago

Lmao at those who cheered on E’s new friends as wholesome and genuine

No notes needed.

Hey—at least AW didnt release that cancellation-worthy video. AW seems more cunning and smart and knows how to play her cards. She keeps that career-ending video close to the vest.

Meanwhile, the irony of these stans claiming over and over that they were thrilled for these new [clout chasing] friends.

We don’t even have confirmation about necklace-gate. It’s all speculative. She could have been well-intentioned, but naive, E could have given her permission, etc.

There’s no ambiguity, though, regarding what the wholesome, pure M did, even if out of pure stupidity.

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u/Relative-Narwhal-519 — 3 months ago

I have f-ed up friendships and relationships, but MPC is the f up of the century

E is no saint and is wholly culpable, but as the saying goes, with friends like B and M, who needs enemies. Both destroyers of their bestie’s career, or, likely, road bumps.

I would feel beyond guilty, even in a fake friendship. Yes, e and b are the guilty ones, but M’s actions have directly caused àll of this.

Is M still blissfully posting? She should at least take time off in solidarity with her friend. I would feel beyond guilty my entire life. I would not be up to posting.

And she left it up as a clap back for a few days. Digging her heels in, with E’s permission probably. Both thought they were untouchable. And if the case is reopened, thanks to M? Wow

They all deserve each other, tbh.

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u/Relative-Narwhal-519 — 3 months ago

Smugness and arrogant dismissal of detractors has led to her self-inflicted crisis

As many of us have been saying, this is 100 percent inorganic and managed with calculation. I attach what may have been a war room white board at S ànd S that E saw each Tuesday on Zoom (obviously, à fake cartoon I made). Part of reclaiming the wholesome family was to rehab B. They waited until the new year ànd he was reintegrated in a piecemeal fashion.

I am not in PR, but I think her rehabilitation team overlooked a key component: her detractors. I think the long game was to reclaim her pre-drowning aura and balance sheet by simply pushing forward, flanked by stans (the register was still ringing, so why address the discontent?) ànd brushing aside critics.

Road bumps, which included her followers’ discomfort with too much indulgence, were remedied by occasional grief grifts (followed by immediate links).

But generally speaking, I think they thought the critical mass of Stans would allow them to dismiss the nuisance-like “noise” of her critics until they rolled out onto the other side. I don’t think the current crisis would be unfolding if she hadn’t been so smug, overindulgent, and always revelling in clap-backs. This tends to make your enemies keenly attentive.

She essentially ignored the hornet’s nest. Instead of advising her to tamp it down a bit, act more gracious, pretend to be a philanthropist, etc., PR green-lighted the repulsively gauche and ostentatious behavior because they thought they could. And it worked until she fucked up. M fucked it up for her, actually.

It was actually her detractors who spotted the absence of a life jacket. Scrutiny wouldn’t have been as heavy if they were more winsome characters. Her own arrogance is her undoing. Even when she comes back, the road will always be filled with potholes. And she will. Her child’s death wasn’t enough to end the grift and compel her to leave the “job” that led to his death. She’s not going anywhere.

And yeah, re-introducing B was such a slap in the face. This woman thought she was untouchable.

u/Relative-Narwhal-519 — 3 months ago

Her 20k personalised diamond necklace was gifted to her by à MAGA-supporting company, RW Fine. In exchange, she allowed them to use her deceased son’s name to sell their product

This was probably one of the more egregious forms of exploitation showing that money and gifts trump àll else, where e is concerned. Literally.

RW Fine, a TX jewellery company, gifted E à 20k necklace and then used her deceased child’s name to market the necklace with E’s permission.

When people wrote to them, they took this picture down, only to quietly put it back up a few months later.

It would be unsettling if a stranger wore my deceased child’s name to sell a product for à MAGA company. Heck! Any company!

They took it down again after people wrote à second time, but who knows if it’s up. Likely is.

Someone on here knows the owner ànd it checks out that she would greenlight this, according to her.

u/Relative-Narwhal-519 — 3 months ago

EK’s numbers continue to drop

Proportionately, it’s minuscule. Brands, however, like growth. They don’t like stagnation or controversy. They especially dislike decline.

Her bread and butter = brand deals and shilling.

u/Relative-Narwhal-519 — 3 months ago

I predict that they’ll move before the new content piece arrives (sunken cost fallacy)?

When I was younger, I had a dress custom-designed. I loved the idea but hated the final product and wouldn’t admit it (even to myself) because I’d paid so much and it was non-refundable.
I kept it for a decade, convincing myself I’d eventually wear it to some fancy occasion. I never did. Psychologically, I was just trying to justify a ridiculous purchase I subconsciously knew I should let go. I finally trashed it, having never worn it once.

I feel like this is where she’s at with what was her dream home. She gutted it (and ruined it, imo). Put down plastic flooring (ifykyk). Remodeled multiple areas twice (but couldn’t put in a pool fence even once). Worked on her plate wall after he died. Refused to cover up the resort-esque pool.

I think she initially convinced herself that it was best to stay given her time and investment. Jack and Jill bathroom? Who cares when Jack isn’t here because you were concerned with a concept and not Jack?

Worst of all, she can’t show off the pool anymore, which is ironic since the reason he died was so she could show it off. I think she forced herself to accept that she could move on in that house.

The first hint of normalcy from this terrible mother and person is that she admittedly can’t stand to be at the mausoleum, in part, because she can’t flaunt the parts that she wanted to flaunt.

We see she has no problem with water, so in a new house, she could get back to showing off her pool. She could open her curtains in the morning. Try to make her peers and followers jealous of her perfect life. She doesn’t have to have a room that is a shrine to her first born and explain to her kids that they are swimming in the pool that daddy and mommy let their brother die in.

Her son spent 6 months in the death trap and his life was ended by his parents there. As terrible is she is, I am shocked they are still there; memories are few and the house is the scene of their “crime” against their child.

Most of what we’ve predicted has materialised: we knew she’d be back (as soon as she sued, this was clear). We knew she wasn’t articulate or passionate enough to do water advocacy. We knew she’d stay with him and continue to grift. We knew she’d be pregnant (we thought it would happen immediately).

Many of us thought she’d move, if anything, to be able to show off the pool. I think a move is coming, but I could be wrong

I love that in addition to her finally being rightfully condemned, she is realising that she can’t stand her home and will probably have to sell.

Very karmic given that T funded the down payment and then funded the payoff after last summer’s online video-extravaganza (his entire collection of videos is still online)

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u/Relative-Narwhal-519 — 3 months ago

Your weekly reminder! Do not click on their links, even if you ultimately but something cheaper, they will take your cart commission

As we know, EK spent drowning awareness day posting commissioned links ànd removing community notes. Links included à 500 dollar dress and she showed us how to shave, despite fighting for privacy. She was dethroned as the water awareness queen (she doesn’t care about endangering her own child—you think she cares about children, writ large 😂💰? So, back to links.

She and others of her ilk accomplish two things by doing this:

  1. she gets to show off her expensive goods, arrogantly conveying she’s living it up
  2. more importantly, she knows her followers will likely skip over the dress, but will ultimately buy something cheaper. She’ll get the commission on driving you to Zara’s website

PS: In real time, she deleted questions from Stans asking if she’d mention drowning awareness. Those ppl joined our sub yesterday

u/Relative-Narwhal-519 — 3 months ago