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And what if Joseph Smith takes your wife? Will you give her to him? Woman are not property! Past or present or future! We know these woman were spiritually abused into accepting. So either way from the husband's perspective or the wife's. It's still wrong

"What would a man of God say, who felt aright, when Joseph asked him for his money? He would say, ‘Yes, and I wish I had more to help to build up the kingdom of God.’

Or if he came and said,

‘I want your wife?’

‘O yes,’ he would say, ‘here she is, there are plenty more’”.

Jedediah M. Grant

First Presidency with Brigham Young

In the afterlife maybe Joseph will want your wife.

Any active members willing to do that? If the prophet wants your wife for himself?

But maybe you won't have a choice?

Maybe your wife will decide to leave you for someone who is more righteous?

Brigham Young

"If a woman can find a man holding the keys of the priesthood with higher power and authority than her husband, and he is disposed to take her, he can do so"

Joseph Smith practiced Polygamy and Polyandry. But since Joseph was restoring the gospel in its full form. And the new and everlasting covenant is what he was teaching others.

Then logic says the leaders who think a woman should be theirs or a woman finds she wants a man with more preisthood. Then in heaven their will be Polyandry as well.

Brigham Young

"The principle I have referred to is simply this: If a woman can find a man holding the higher Priesthood, having more light and intelligence than she has, and she wants to be sealed to him, she can do so without a divorce from her husband".

I set a date for baptism into Christianity for next month. But now I need to decide if I want to invite TBM family or friends.

Why would I want to? Because they are family and friends.

Why not? Because unfortunately instead of it being about my path with Christ it will be seen as my anti-Mormon path.

What experiences did you have in a similar situation? Please share your stories or advice about inviting people.

(For those that want to comment on why I'm moving from one cult to another and evengelicalize Atheism, the rules say no evengelicalizing, I'm only interested in hearing people's experiences around my question)

Reading into WHY. Mormons and LDS members were not added actually makes sense and members should fight to keep it that way.

The actual logistics reasoning from the Government:
"This brings the codes in line with its original purpose, giving chaplains clear, usable information so they can minister to service members in a way that aligns with that service member’s faith background."

This actually makes a ton of sense.

If someone is injured or dying LDS members don't want a Christian representative to come pray for them. They just don't.

I don't know ANY Mormon who has called a Christian to come administer to them. Why because Christians don't have the Mormon Authority. They can't really help. Just pray. If Mormons need help they want to call those who have the authority to actually do anything.

Because of this it's better that Mormons are not out into a Christian label. Because a Mormon needs a Mormon, Christians just don't have the healing power. They are the only ones who have the power so everyone else is lesser.

Keep it the same way they intended. Because in the end that's what a dying member of the church wants. A Mormon man who is worthy to heal them.

Seems like the Gov was actually being kind and thoughtful.

Article Of Faith 3

"We believe that THROUGH the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, BY obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel."

I've never noticed this before.

I always thought we were saved BY the Atonement of Jesus Christ.

But that is incorrect. We are saved BY obedience to laws and ordinances. Jesus plays apart. But it's by our work to obey.

Compare that to

Romans 3:20 For no one can ever be made right with God by doing what the law commands. The law simply shows us how sinful we are.

Galatians 2:16

"Yet we know that a person is made right with God by faith in Jesus Christ, not by obeying the law. And we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we might be made right with God because of our faith in Christ, not because we have obeyed the law. For no one will ever be made right with God by obeying the law.”

Sometimes I'm shocked at what I learn after not viewing my entire life through the LDS church lens.

I've seen a few people ask about this. So I figured I would shine some light on it.

AREA AUTHORITY MEETINGS & TOPICS

People often marvel at how spiritually succinct the churches with what it teaches. But here's what I learned with my callings.

Before State Conference all stake presidencies meet together in a meeting with the area Authority. In this meeting the area Authority discusses a few topics of concern. The Authority gets this information from the apostles and Prophet meetings. These topics are then taught in a church talk like manner.

The stake presidencies then take that same topic and teach it in the stake leadership meeting to all of the people in the stake leadership which includes everyone from high counselors, to Relief Society presidency, young men's presidency, young women's presidency, Sunday school presidency.

Then the stake president also meets with the Stake bishopric meeting that includes all the bishoprics in the stake and tells them the same thing.

Then those stake leaders then tell all of the different organizations at a ward level the same thing and the Bishops do the same thing. All the way down into the lessons and into the talks that are chosen. At a ward level the bishop still may choose something slightly different but the overall theme comes from those few topics that come directly from the profit. This is why conference and other things seem to always magically happen to be talking about the same topic. It goes from top down.

STAKE CONFERENCE & Visiting Authority

1. Stake President is told months before who is coming (indication that it's nobody special). If Stake President doesn't know 2 weeks or 1 week before who will be attending it's someone in the twelve or above

2. Stake President is informed if the visiting Authority will do home visits, if they will be staying in a hotel or at the Stake President's home, also if the Authority will be having dinner at the stake presidents home. Or not staying

3. Stake President informs Bishops in the Stake Bishopric Meeting the plan. And the Stake Informs High Council. Both groups are told they need to select who will have a home visit. Home visits are done by everyone in the Stake. So Stake Relief Society, High Councilors, Stake Ym Stake YW, Bishopsrics, Stake Sunday School presidency etc.

4. High Councilors attend their coordination meeting with the Ward council and discuss names.

5. High Councilors come back to the Stake Meeting and present who has been discussed and create a plan. Names are shared and decided on with the Bishop of the ward.

6. Stake President and Bishop decide who of the stake callings will be visiting which homes. Usually 3 or 4 are chosen and all house visits are made within the same few hours in place of the typical Stake level meeting.

7. If your stake has had issues with people who are considered difficult or disruptive a safety training and discussing happens. Either way Stake leadership welcome people at doors. If your stake has had significant issues. Then a formal training might also happen with SLC security. This is where the entire stake leadership meets with SLC security team runs you through specific instances of someone being disruptive. How to pull a mic away from someone. How to stop someone being combative. How to deal with someone who may become violent. How to remove them from the building or area, preferably without touching anyone. And how to set up guards if they know someone who the church deems a threat. These guards are typically just stake leaders and will confront the person in the hallway before they even get into the chapel or overflow. They will ask to speak with them and try to move them away from everyone else. Internally the stake leaders will share photos and videos of that person. It's also discussed when you should end a meeting.

8. the visiting Authority after the state conference then sits down with the stake president and discusses things that the authority felt impressed to tell the stake president. Sometimes the authority even chastises the stake president. Sometimes it's praise. Often you may see an authority come to the stake conference to evaluate who the next stake president will be and will interview people at that time as a precursor to the stake president being changed out for the next state conference. When this happens Bishops and the current State president nominate who they think the next stake President should be. And during the authorities visit they may look to be introduced and visit with those men.

9. Turn and Report. The next stake leader meeting they go over how things went and the visits they had in home. Things are discussed on if they felt like anyone needed help or if it helped someone go from inactive to possibly being active. The in-home visits are typically people that are struggling with something whether that's Faith or physical. If anything is of noteworthy it's discussed in those meetings. Then High counselors take that back to the bishoprics meeting and the ward council meeting. And bishop's talk about it in their stake bishopric meeting.

And now you know

What was your experience or thoughts traveling to the LDS sites as a PIMO or Exmo.

We have family wanting us to go, but it's just part of the trip.

I'm not looking for advice on if we should or shouldn't go. Just wanting to hear what other experiences were. Especially if you got away with asking tough questions like. Is this where Joseph Smith had his bar and got people drunk lol.

I remember seeing it. But it felt like it was leaked but not confirmed by people who recieved the training directly.

Anyone know?

Reference:

CONFIDENTIAL-RFM 363 Deleted Slides Elder Oaks admitting membership decline

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You read that right. In the relief they ask for damages. Meaning one of the most wealthy liquid cash enterprises in the entire world and possibly history of the world wants more money.

Isn't that called Greed?