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As a Frenchman, I grew up watching old recordings of the triumph at Euro 1984 ( Platini, Tigana, Giresse) and the wonderful 1998 generation with Desailly, Thuram, Zidane, Henry, Blanc etc ... Of course here is the wonderful current generation as well. Why does our women's team have less success and fewer absolute legends. I am not an avid viewer of women's football outside the WWC so I was wondering if you may have some answers.

Out of the USMNT players represented at the WC how many are (in all of football):

• Generational (top 2-3 in their position)
• World class (top 5-8 in their position)
• Elite (top 20 in their position)
• Very Good (top 50 in their position)

-Good (top 100-150 in their position)

-Average (Outside top 150 in their position)

Being from France here are the rankings for some of my players:

Mbappé: Generational

Dembélé: World class

Olisé: Generational

Doué: World class

Cherki: Elite/World class

Maignan: Elite

Upamecano: World class

Saliba: Generational

Digne: Very Good

Zaire-Emery: Very Good

Tchouaméni: Elite

Lacroix: Very Good

Now here are my estimates based on what I have seen of these USMNT players (don't watch MLS so won't comment on those players but they are probably average):

Pulisic: Elite/very good

McKennie: Very Good

Balogun: Very Good

Robinson: Good

Freese (I know he's MLS but I saw his WC): Average

Richards: Good

Reyna: Average

Dest: Good

Pepi: Good

Tillman: Good/Very Good

Curious as to what you guys think. Would you change anything? Again, don't know about the MLS players on the roster, but I feel confident in saying that they all fit in to the 'average' category if they've been there most of their careers.

People have such warped conversations when it comes to Mbappé. In my eyes, he is already a top 30 player all-time. He is definitely lacking in club trophies and PSG winning 2 UCLs does not help (although it is much more complicated than just Mbappé), but can people stop pretending like he is lower all time than Haaland or Harry Kane. He has made 2 WC Finals, has won a WC, all time top scorer in WC overall and in knockouts, is top 5 all time in UCL goals (I know it might be slightly inflated), he carried France to the Nations League, he is a 8x top scorer in domestic Leagues, 2x UCL top scorer, has close to 500 goals at 27. Not to mention he is the only player in history to win several WC golden boots. I understand the trolling/minimizing of Mbappé because of how the past 2 years have gone at club level, but let's try and be a little more honest with ourselves. Maybe it's mostly a Reddit/Twitter problem.

1. Beckenbauer

2. Maldini

3. Baresi

4. Moore

5. Cafu

6. Passarella

7. Ramos

8. Van Dijk

9. Desailly

10. Thuram

11. Carlos

12. Puyol

13. Nasazzi

14. Alberto

15. Nesta

16. Cannavaro

17. Koeman

18. Cole

19. Lahm

20. Marcelo

21. Nilson Santos

22. Alves

23. Terry

24. Facchetti

25. Ferdinand

26. Zanetti

27. Djalma Santos

28. Vidic

29. Pique

30. Blanc

31. Forster

32. Amoros

33. Kimmich

34. Chiellini

35. Varane

36. Adams

37. Silva

38. Breitner

39. Brehme

40. Trésor

41. Alba

42. Schnellinger

43. Kaltz

44. Walker

45. Bossis

46. Koulibaly

47. Kompany

48. Hakmi

49. Krol

50. Irwin

51. Bonucci

52. Marquinhos

53. Vogts

54. Luiz

55. Hierro

56. Cabrini

57. Pepe

58. Bergomi

59. Zambrotta

60. Campbell

61. Carvajal

62. Godin

63. Carvahlo

64. Evra

65. Lizarazu

66. Kohler

67. McGrath

68. Stam

69. Billy Wright

70. Lucio

71. Maicon

72. Abidal

73. Hummels

74. Figueroa

75. Stones

76. Hernandez

77. Neville

78. Ruggeri

79. Jack Charlton

80. Bastoni

81. Robertson

82. Alaba

83. Ivanovic

84. Rudiger

85. Lauren

86. Hansen

87. Ayala

88. Battiston

89. Pearce

90. Capdevila

91. Boateng

92. Bianchi

93. De Boer

94. Walker

95. Gentile

96. Santamaria

97. Briegel

98. Vierchowod

99. Song

100. Kuffour

HM:Geremi

** Gaetano Scirea is supposed to be number 22

Not really spicy, but Israel needs to be treated like Russia in terms of sanctions and bans from continental and international tournaments. I think it's well known that many people care more about the optics/logistics of genocide rather then the genocide itself. Football must show some moral fibre for one, and ban Israel from FIFA and UEFA competitions. There is a lot of conflict and government oppression in the Middle East, but as football fans that should not blind us to the marked difference of the Palestinian genocide. Football shapes culture, look at Argentina 1978 if you need of proof of that, and I can only hope that those in high offices can positively influence the culture through an indefinite ban of Israel.

Ok, I will concede that this Ballon D'or race is very close. But then I'm seeing some idiots on here trying to compare Mbappé place all time to Kane's. Maybe it's just because people in this sub are just addicted to braindead hot takes that are relevant in the exact moment but career wise and performance wise Mbappé and Kane are on completely different planets outside this season. Mbappé is like top 30 all time, Kane is barely top 100. Some people on here really need to get a grip

Here are a few I remember watching:

Luis Fernandez

Rui Jordan

Maxine Bossis

Jean-Marie Pfaff

Erwin Vanderbergh

Preben Elkjaer

Dragan Stojkovic

Fernando Gomes

Karlheinz Forster

Klaus Allofs

1. Brazil

2. Germany

3. Italy

4. Argentina

5. France

6. Spain

7. England

8. Netherlands

9. Uruguay

10. Croatia/Yugoslavia

My personal list of the greatest national teams in football history. Let me know what you think

- Greatest individual tournament of all time at Euro 1984

- Scored the winning goal in the 1985 European Cup

- 3x Ballon D'or in a row (and no, Maradona would not be able to claim any of Platini's Ballon D'ors)

- Two WC semis and a 3rd place medal in 1986

Should almost always be considered in the top 10 but often is forgotten