The Fact top tier jets dont start with chaff still is unbelievable.
Just what the title says, its unbelievable an SU-30SM has to grind without chaff when the regular experience, even sneaking around flanking routes, has 3 people jumping you from all sides, you can't notch multiple directions against the absolute highest rank AAMs, hell, even notching 2 from in front and the sides without chaff is *practically* impossible, possible perhaps in say, an F-16 or Gripen with maxed performance, but at that point....you just have Chaff.