What is anos depht because i remember he absorb noah body but it is not compatible so i have no idea if he still keep shallow or noah's depht.
When anos talk to Vlad about he can not full control the power of chaos, is he talking about mayhem/chaotic eyes or the chaos body of Noah.
It was said that anos can't get noah original body because of different abyss so did he get anything other than noah memories and spells ?
I was curious right. If Chaotic eyes is just an upgrade version of Mauve eyes then why does it has some traits that is unrelated to the power it gain ?
We know Mauve eyes is like the anti magic mostly for gods or anything related to order. It can weaken gods, get rid of their immortality, destroy the power from orders, seal weapons that have divine origin.
Then we have Chaotic eyes, which is basically a mix of Mauve, Chaos from>!Chaos Galaxy and The usurper of the two law's shadow!<.You would assume from this, it has power of mauve, venuzdonoa and the power of chaos but where did the destruction part come from ? It can now suddenly "destroy the indestructable" and actually kill instead of like Mauve, which can not even do real damage to god and is more like a debuff to them and their powers.
I also want to ask, what does the chaos in the chaotic eyes even do ? The only one time we see it as a force was when >!it clashes equally with eternal darkness from Zinnia's eyes. !<. What does this chaos do when it is use on an object or a living thing ?
Now i know that Base anos can beat almost everyone except for these being Zinnia/Armur/Noah, assuming they know about and can interupt GN. Though only Amur know about this, Zinnia barely know anything, he only see anos use the first step against fodder demon kings and Noah, we don't need to talk about Noah's knowledge of GN. Here is my solution with Dagdala and either Davuel or MEOCD.
Dagdala is a spell that create a system that force all parties has to follow as long as you have a shadow. When someone is in dagdala radius, they are inmuteable and can't be affected by anything, in exchange their shadow become their vulnerable spot. But Anos has canonically remove this weakness with the help of venuzdonoa.
In the fight against admiral Gigi, he use venuzdonoa to remove his shadow so when Giji aim his weapon at their overlaping shadow and decide to kill them both. Anos had already move his shadow to a safe spot so he is still protected by dagdala law while his shadow, the vulnerable spot is relocated to a safe place and Giji ended up destroying his body, the only part that survived was ironically his head whose's shadow was cut off by venuzdonoa earlier.
Assuming anos is fighting one of the 3 heavy hitters. Anos can use dagdala, and use either davuel or MEOCD, which has the same power as Venuzdonoa roughly to remove or relocate his shadow, he can just stomp his feet down and activate GN to the 8th step risk free before he use Dagdala again to one shot them.
This list will consits of abilites that has no outside help from other abilities.
Agido.
Gilieriam Naviem.
Magic eyes of chaotic destruction.
Magic eyes of eternal darkness.
Davuel.
Venuzdonoa.
Magic eyes of fiery heart.
Here is my reason for some of the placement:
- Agido is better than GN because GN need 7 steps and Anos need to use both Damd Ivu and Damd Arga for it to be equal to Agido so it actually need more than 7 steps for it to reach the same abyss as Agido if it is used alone. It is also the only magic that is outside of orders.
- GN has the potential to surpass Agido but it often require a lot of time and steps.
- MECOD is equal to Darkness eyes in term of power because Anos' chaos and Zinnia's darkness clash equally with each other but Chaotic eyes is more versatile so i rate it slightly higher. It can disrupt logic/law/principle, turn contradiction into a forced win and magical power etc.
- Darkness eyes only function is to pulls things/people into darkness.
- Davuel is better than Venuzdonoa because it is shown with no downside while it can do a lot more things.
- Venuzdonoa is stronger in term of destruction but it is weaker in the "disruption" department and has a lot of downside for both Anos and sasha
+ For both: It can be negated by using Mauve eyes or the stronger versions of it and can be tampered with through other divine power like Graham's scythe and potentially Parrington's red threads. It is also weaker when the user is not holding it. It consume a lot of magic power.
+ For Anos: He has to summon the demon king castle and the time limit is 5 minutes.
+ For Sasha: She has to wait 3 minutes and can even use it less than that.
- The magic eyes of fiery heart ain't all that TBH, it is good sure but it require a lot of prep time. The only reason Amur was that strong was because he had 17000 ish years to accumilate power and if you bring it fresh into a battle with cool headed people like Zinnia or Anos then it is basically useless. The power you get from hatred also scale to how strong the person you are taking it from.
If you have any disagreement or any abilities that you will add/replace, let me know.
I have been rereading the LN in english version, i just finished arc 8 and i have some questions about the source of destruction that Anos possess.
Graham said the following: "I know you won't perish anyway. The closer the core gets to destruction, the brighter it will shine. You will overcome destruction, just as I return to existence through non-existence."
- What is Graham talking about perish here, i mean what method was he gonna kill Anos with, the scythe of disorder or something else ?
- When Graham said overcome destuction, does he mean that anos source will suffer damage greatly and get a powerful from this like normal people or he meant Anos source, which hypthetically would be destroyed by him will somehow magically regenerate itself (is this considered high godly regeneration) and let Anos regenerate himself because as long as the source exist then he can always use ingall to regenerate the mind/soul/body.
Lets say the last point of the first question is true, Anos imply that "if the source of destruction were truly destroyed, only an infinitely increasing magical power would remain in its place." but doesn't this contradict the first point ?
-If Graham imply Anos source can regenerate itself and overcome destruction like how he has his own unique Nihility source that let him exist even when his source is destroyed then Anos himself imply that when source of desstruction is destroyed, it is destroyed forever, Anos died like how he got killed by Evansmana and only the residual magic power that infinitely increasing will remain.
So which one of these two are the real thing for the special ability of the source of destruction ?
I am aware that they are suppose to make spells more affective and stronger compare to shallow spell but does it has any special properties ? Like it always say abstract things such as deepen the abyss but does deepend here actually mean anything except suggesting that the spell is simply more powerful ?
Also is rayon a deepening spell ? I only remember dram, zels, GN and Noah spells are classified as deepening spells.
I never see this mention but it is genuinely scary to be a normal person in this world. It is obvious that being normal citizens in a world where mfs like Anos exist is already bad enough but being normal people who only wants a family is even worse.
In a world where reincarnation is just a matter of time, anyone who knows syrica and half a braincell can just reincarnate into a family unknowingly. So lets take Gusta and Isabella for example. Lets ignore that they are the reincarnation of Ceris and Luna so Anos won't be born from them, imagine if someone like fking Graham or any of the evil sorcerers are born from them. The moment those mfs are born, they instantly use kurst to grow into an adult and slime the parents and move on with their lives like that.
Even if the child turns out to be good, it doesn't mean they are safe. Luna reincarnated into a family only for both of her parents to be killed by Parrington.
1.Why aren't the normal spells that anyone can use considered a part of the deep sea spells if they originate from them ? I mean the people from the deep world use Leaks, Zecht and Ei Cheal and the likes. So shouldn't they be deep sea spell by default ?
2.Do Anos' spells that are more hax oriented that he invented in milita work on deep sea world inhibitants ?
Can Agronment ressurect Anos when his source is destroyed if he had experience or know the origin of the attack from deep world people ?
Can giginuvenuenz bypass their regeneration (even source) ?
Can Degzegd make their magic run out of control and let them die ?
1..How does Evansmana actually cut fate, or rather what fate they are cutting ? Because i see from some descriptions they just "cut fate". Are they cut fate randomly to benefit the user or the user can control what kind of fate they are cutting ? If they can control it then what's the point of the 4th secret when you have something like the 1st one where you fire countless slash that already cut fate on contact with the target ?
1.1 Also, how does the 0th secret works ? I know what it does but can it be used exclusively on LOD or it work best against LOD and still work on other people but have worse effect ?
2.1 Then it got derail into can Just emperor Aizel resist MECOD or not. Orignally, i was on the side that he did not tank MECOD because well, he didn't. But then i remember a detail, when he first appear, the wheel in his eyes spin and there are those giant cogwheel in the sky appear, they were passively absorbing the aboslute vortex and the chaos red star that Duelniga control (Picture 1). The cogwheel absorb the star, get its radience and have even more magical power (Picture 2) so it by itself is already inmune to the effect of the chaos stars and must have the same chaos energy after it absorb those stars, these cogwheel then turn into their energy into magical power and buff Just emperor Aizel (Picture 3). So lets assume the answer of the question 2 is correct and all type of chaos are the same thing. Can just emperor resist chaos in general (Also Venuzdonoa) because he got the same chaos energy from the star that his wheel absorbed ?
I was wondering how does some of Noah abilities transfer to Anos' and vice versa.
- This is Noah's special magical eyes that he only got after absorbing Chaos power. Chaos eyes is just Mauve eyes with chaos power, why is this the only thing that Anos get as a power from his past life while all the others are left behind ?
- Futhermore, why is Chaos eyes a straight upgrade from Mauve eyes if those are only from the Voldigoad bloodline, does that mean Noah was a Voldigoad from birth ?
- Does Noah have this spell ? It is said that he is specialized in deepening spells and he was the one that originally created the whole branch tree of the Demdo spells.
- The problem is that Noah only used up to Ivu in his final friendly spar against young Amur who wanted to use EGA and that was in volume 12 act 1 or something. So it was 8 volume away and the author intended to solidify that they are somewhat equal so i don't think the author will let Noah used Arga because that will just straight up overpowerd the newly developed EGA.
- Anos still only use Demdo Ivu rayon when he fought Amur, only after that then he started using Arga. So do you think Noah has it even before he died or Anos pull one of his BS and just invent Arga on the fly against Amur ?
- Does Noah have an unique source ? I heard a lot of people said he had the destruction source because he is made from Ceris' thoughts and given form in the ruinous abyss of memories.
Dagdala is a spell where the caster draws a magic circle on the enemy's shadow and steps on it, striking the enemy directly from the inside, damage the reciever's source with a shockwave. However, neither the enemy nor the caster can be directly injured within the spell's range, except when their shadow is damaged.
Noah's body does not have a shadow, mentioned by Anos in chap 15 Vol 11. Anos also said since "Noah" does not have a shadow. he gained a perk of becoming inmune to damage and knockback only during the duration when he steps on someone else shadow.
The part i do not understand is why did Anos mentioned this ? By definition when the caster use Dagdala, everything in the radius become inmuteable and they can only damage each others through their shadow. By definition, "Noah" should be invincible even when he does not step on someone's shadow because he has no shadow in the first place and they do not have any medium like shadow to hurt him, but he still takes damage and knockback when he does not step on someone's shadow.
This is obvious when Anos mentioned how "Noah" did not took any knockback while his foot is on top of Anos' shadow
"Despite catching the spell from practically point-blank range, he didn't even flinch. And that's despite it being much more powerful than before, thanks to our "Rayon.""
And when Anos' shadow is no longer being step on by "Noah" then he took full knockback like normal
"And just as my shadow retreated from his foot, the Usurper of the Two Laws swung Rayon around in his right hand and grabbed the fiery ball of destruction with both hands. The ball's force pushed him back, uprooting the earth in the process."
In the battle against Gigi, Anos removed his shadow with the help of Venuzdonoa and even compare this situation with how "Noah" used Dagdala.
"The Usurper of the Two Laws, controlled by Ronclus, had no shadow. In this case, the caster's body would only be immune to damage when they stepped on an enemy's shadow.
But it seems that even the Usurper of the Two Laws did not demonstrate the erasure of shadow during the Dagdala, as I just did with the help of the Law Breaker."
Am i misunderstanding or is having no shadow actually a weakness for this spell ? Because Anos worded it like while others are forcefully become invincible by this spell rule. "Noah" by having no shadow make it so he has to actively step on someone else shadow to get this effect, can someone clear this up for me ?
Also how tf did Anos come to the conclusion that someone who has no shadow can erase their own shadow ? Moreover, why does Noah deem having no shadow when anytime his spell is used it is always refer to as "the shadow of the Two law Usurper" ?
Sorry if i had already asked this before, i have dementia and i can't specifically found what post/comment that i was asking about it.
I remembered something vivid about how Anos talked about Sasha can use it in a short/huge (?) burst. When did she used it beside when she was Abernyu and did she keep it or she only has normal destruction/apocalypse/law breaking eyes ?
I know it is technically a spell but the physical form of it is a sword so I am counting it as a sword. It used to be the strongest sword by default for how many BS it can pull off, but then the two law sword which is made from Noah's body takes it spot because it is deeper and by that logic it is automatically stronger.
But when Aisha used it, the sword was able to negate the order of chaos and damaged Duelniga, the chief God of the desire world located at the abyss of the SS. Militia also become a deep world by the end so is Venuzdonoa the most powerful weapon now or two law sword still top ?
When did Sasha inherited Venuzdonoa ? Would be appreciated if anyone can give me the chapters or at least the arc when that happened. Also, since her eyes and Anos's MEOCD merged, does she also have purple destruction or just the normal destruction.
I want to improve my old post and maybe include things in the Asta vs Yuno fight.
There are a few things you should know before you read this post:
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Content table:
I. Physiology
II. Anti magic
III. Arsenals
IV. Transformations
V. Ki
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I. Physiology:
- Asta is kinda short, he is only roughly or at best a bit taller than sister Lily, who is 5'3.
- He is really muscular though.
- So by default, people can't use magic sensory on him and that makes him practially invisible.
- Though this also means he can not access magic sensory, mana skin, mana zone, mana method, magic as a whole.
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II. Anti magic:
- After Asta made the devil contract with Liebe, the devil had been coating him in Anti magic and give Asta passive magic resistance. Here, we can see Asta surfing demon slayer, not being affected by Lucifero's gravity magic while all the other captains stuck on the ground.
- Anti magic can not be copied.
- Anti magic can slightly negate reinforcement magic to reduce the damage of the attack.
- Anti magic can not only coexist with magic but it can be used to enhance magic.
- Asta also has to be relative or stronger than his opponent to nullify their magic. Asta can't cut Lucifero because the latter's magic reinforcement and durability is too much
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III. Arsenals:
- Asta possess a five leaf griomire that store all of his Anti magic swords.
- They can be controlled telekinetically by both Asta and Liebe.
2.1. Demon slayer sword.
- This is Asta's biggest sword, he can use it to reflect incoming magical projectiles. He can also use it as a shield to mitigate the force of an attack and deflect it.
- Asta can release someone from mind manipulation spells by tapping their head with the crossguard.
- He can surf the sword to fly in his base form.
- Black divider: By applying Anti magic into the demon slayer, he can make it larger. He can do it base form now. He can make it even bigger in black Asta. The edge of the sword is now sharp enough to cut through things.
2.2. Demon dweller sword
- This sword is often associated with the act of passively draining magic from anyone who touch or are impaled by it.
- This sword special ability is to absorb allies' magic, store it as energy and release it as an energy slash that contain that magic atribute. Noelle's version
- Comrademons: After Asta's zetten training, he can control Anti magic much better and now he can imbue his allies with it. All the black bull members (except Yami and Noelle) new Anti magic forms. Instead of nullifying their magic, Asta's psuedo Anti magic intertwinning with the members' magic and amp them physically and magically.
- One horn bull thrust: Same as the normal bull thrust but he only uses demon dweller.
- Black slash: Instead of filling dweller with his allies' magic, Asta can fill it with his own Anti magic and send out black slash. These slashes can cut magic from a range and they hurt enemies with blunt force rather than cutting them.
2.3. Demon destroyer sword
- Causality break/Fate or Karmic release: It manifest as black Anti magic tendrils that latch onto the targets. It severs the cause and effect of magic. It can erase the effect and damage of magic like poison, immobilization, reincarnation magic, and power nullification.
2.4. Demon slasher katana
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IV. Transformations:
- Note that while i put the keys as BA and DU, i will not cover all forms and every single feat that they can do.
- Black Asta gives him a boost in strength, speed, Anti magic potency and the ability to fly. It also clears his mind.
- Asta's passive magic resistance is enhanced. He was frozen in place by Lucius's Chrono stasis but in his PBA form, he can move and talk freely. Everyone but Asta and Lucius is under the effect of time stop.
- Black Asta's passive Anti magic can erase magic in a small radius around him.
- Berserk mode black Asta with black divider can erase large scale magic in one attack.
- Somehow, Asta can turn black divider demon slayer into a liquid sword/whip hybrid.
- Black Slash is much bigger, same with black hurricane.
- DU has all of the previous abilities of BA but better.
- Devil union can only last 5 minutes. After the time limit, DU has a cooldown of 30 minutes and during this time, Asta can not use it along with black Asta.
2.1. DU demon slayer
- Asta can make this sword much much bigger compare to even black Asta. Big enough to be able to deflect a giant fire ball from a supreme devil fusion. To give you a comparison, this is the size of that fire ball.
2.2. DU demon dweller
2.3 DU demon destroyer
- Using the Anti magic orb with demon destroyer, Asta can instantly destroy all magic within a radius instantly. This is also fast enough to completly negate Lucius's teleportation.
2.4. DU demon slasher
- Infinite slash, Equinox: This is a skill that Asta created, mimicking Yami's dimensional slash, Equinox. It is just a big slash of Anti magic. Though this has the downside of Asta having to charged up the slash, he has to raised the katana over his head before do a slashing motion down to do it, he can only do one slash at a time before his fight with Yuno.
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V. Ki:
- Ki allow Asta to have a form of precognition. With it, even if Asta does not have magic sensory, he can sense magic, falling rocks, even mages who have magic that can hide themselves physically and magically.
- He can also use use ki sensing to see if someone is lying or not.
- Ki is the life energy inside everyone and everything, human, inanimate objects and even devil, they all subconsiously turn it into mana. For Asta, Ki is used to turned into Anti magic.
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