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For example, Om Namah Shivaay and Om Gam Ganapataye Namah, Om Kleem Krishnaay Namah, etc. You just have to add a Nipaat like Cha, Api, Iti, Tathaa, Eva etc. Like Om Namah Shivaaya Cha, Om Gam Ganapataye Nama Iti, Om Kleem Krishnaay NamasTatha. etc.

My guru told me and this is highly discussed and well known fact for deeksha mantra. Because Beej mantra are very harsh, but Nipaat takes the harsh overpowering energy and controls it, Nipaat even means "dropping". Because Nipaat are considered to be "dropped" , as in the sentence can still make sense if you remove or add them, Nipaat therefore allow you to get powers of Beej mantra and Pranava (Om) , without changing the meaning and takes the Beejakshar mantra's energy and drops it.

The reason why this has to be done is because, mantra have a structure. Om Namah Shivaaya, has to be chanted exactly like "Om Namah Shivaaya" , but because Om and Beejakshar require guru and initiation, so their energy becomes unstable or too much to control. But Nipaat drops that energy overflow along with itself. So "Om Namah Shivaaya Cha", still allows to chant the full mantra required according to structure (Om Namah Shivaaya structure), but Nipaat is dropped technically so it allows use of same mantra and structure without changing anything.

This is known in the vidya of mantras. Because words like Vicche, Vaushat, Vashat, Phat, Visphrem, Sphrem, Hum, Hum Phat, and sometimes Shraushat (Shraushat can be used for Devatas but is mostly used for Pitrs), these words don't have a meaning by themselves, but how mantras are structured required you to know where these parts of mantra is to be used and where to apply. For example, Svaha and Namah are also similar mantra-parts, Namah is most used and Svaha is also used. But with Svaha mantra it requires to give ahuti to Yajna, because it is Svaha. Namah technically doesn't have a meaning, but it's surface level meaning means "Praying".

Some Nipaat that are regular are Cha, Iti, Tatha, Api, Eva, Hi, Tatah. These are enough. And always add them in end. Honestly, you would also have to take care of Sandhi too, For example "Om Namah Shivaaya" -> "Om Namah Shivaaya Cha", but "Om Kleem Krishnaay Namah" -> "Om Kleem Krishnaay NamashCha". It is actually very easy, Sandhi is not that hard. But usually these 2 are the only variation with Cha, so Cha is pretty safe.

Earlier all various concepts like Chhand, sandhi, shabda, pada, nipaat, were known as natural understanding, but recently people know these grammar rules very less and fear that it is hard to learn, whereas it is so easy and inherent understanding. As you know mantra has Rishi, Chhand and Devata, because afterall mantra are spoken in words so it is important to know about Chhand and basic grammar and sandhi rules. Nipaat is one of most important and widely used words, throughout mantra tantra and scriptures, and were made to enhance the meaning of words without affecting the sentence. So chanting Beej mantra with Nipaat is very important. Chanting without Beej mantra or Om (Pranav) such as Namah Shivaay, it has limited benefits, this is why it takes so much time or feels hollow. It works, but it removes the very structure of Beejakshar and Om, but because we need something to drop the ugra energy, so the only option becomes using Nipaat words.

I am serious! I hear a lot things like Pitr Dosh and Kul Devta is upset. I never used to fear or feel any such effect, my Bhakti towards Devatas was great and my life was excelling greatly.

But suddenly things started getting disturbed in my life, and everyone around started saying things like "It must be Pitra upset or Kul Devta upset". I couldn't believe it, because if we are worshipping ParaBrahma and Devatas, how can pitr/kul devta be upset or even have any effect in our life?

This makes me really concerned, because i don't want anything to interfere in my Tantra Sadhana Upasana, but i also don't want to do anything out of hearsay of people and fear-mongering.

Also, just one thing. Many kul-devta are low level and some people even have a Veer as Kul-Devta, some even have a Bhoot or Yogi as Kul-Devta, maybe some might have a genuine Devi-Devta as Kul-Devta too. What i am questioning is, do such low-entity Kul-Devta help you or instead bind you to wordly level only? As a Sadhak , you are going to get Siddhis and Moksha too one day, so do KulDevta and Pitr really help there too? or what even is going on? I mean, some people spread fear in name of Naag too! So i was wondering, is it fear mongering or really true?

Note: please only constructive and actually relevant and informational responses only. i want genuine answers that would help me and possibly others too, who might be going through pitr upset or kul devta upset, if that is a real thing.

please don't take it as personal attack. But are you actually doing any Tantra and Siddhis? You know Tantra is not just about doing some mala jaap and nitya puja. Nitya Puja (daily puja) is just to keep you aligned with Your Ishta for overall protection. People say things like i am Shiva upasak, Shodashi have 3 mantras and Pratyangira is fierce, Batuk Bhairav kavacham is safe to do without initiation, and things like this.

But are any of you actually getting anywhere? Have you got any Siddhi yet, even a mediocre mantra siddhi? Kripa of Ishta Devata is powerful, for sure. But it seems most people claiming to be Sadhak are just doing Nitya Puja, and saying things like "maa would take care of you. bhairo baba would fix this." etc. But have you actually done any tantra to actually get Darshan of Mata Durga or Bhairav Nath?

I would include myself too, because i have had huge Bhakti towards Shiva and Gauri, and yes they have protected me various times and helped me. But i cannot say i did any Sadhana or Siddhi, which is shameful.

I am inviting genuine discussion and introspection. Tantra has so many fields, from Vayu Gaman siddhi, to Darshan of Devatas, to Jal Stambhan (able to walk on water), to growing crops fast by Uchchist Ganapati Sattvik Tantra, Kundalini Jagaran by Shiva and Durga mantras, Siddhi of becoming Adrishya at will, Kaamroop Siddhi to assume any form at will, Vashikaran and the 6 Shatkarma for self protection, Devata Siddhi, Lok Parlok Gaman, Par Kaya Pravesh Siddhi, Manojava Siddhi to go anywhere at will, Vak Siddhi to make what you say become true, Lakshmi Siddhi to make money always stay fulfilled in your home, Annapoorna Mantra Siddhi that keeps food always fulfilled in home, Swapna Siddhi to get answer in dream, Panchanguli Siddhi by which you can read someone's mind by looking at their face, and so on. These are actual Siddhi and Tantra, but where are the people doing it?

Are you actually doing Tantra? These are all various Vidyas made by Shiva, Parvati, Bhairav Nath and even other Devatas, for us to improve our life and get all pleasures and siddhis, and moksha too.

Guru is like address proof for Adhar card. You need to do mantra for Guru but you cannot do mantra without Guru.

i was thinking about this and saw similarity of Guru with modern lifestyle requirement of address proof for Adhar card. Is this correct way of thinking?

With modern lifestyle, we can see many such similar circumstances. And finding Guru is very rare these days. What do you think about this concept

This is serious and it has been intriguing me. If you simply go by enjoying your life and have fun, and keep chanting Naam of Bhagwan , you get both bhog and moksha . So what is point of doing hard Sadhana. Isn't it. Not like we just chant the mantra and it fulfills the work . Even any basic mantra is about 15-20 days of mantra and sadhana. Whereas if you simply go about enjoying your life, you both stay peaceful and happy and get moksha too with naam kirtan . Is this really true? I mean truth can be harsh, but it feels Sadhaks are just wandering everywhere as insulted dogs, whereas people simply carrying on with life and naam kirtan and bhajan are having all fun. I mean, we are not doing Sadhana and Tahtra for nothing, isn't it? We should get something, but all we have is constant frustration, loss of opportunities, and eventually nothing to be seen when you look back!

i mean, i heard that not all Devata and not all Yoni are good for all work.

Like if i have Siddha a Yogini, then Yogini would protect me, and i can say "Give me this mantra", or "Bring this woman under my control", or "show me path to a flower garden for getting flowers for puja". But i cannot order a Yogini by saying to her that "steal the cloth of that man", "clean the house for puja", "lift the woods and put them near YajnaKund", because Yogini is a respected Deva Yoni, she doesn't do such lesser level things.

But i heard you can ask a Veer or Bhoot to do such lesser level task, and of course only for good purposes and only for your own benefit, and never to harm people.

Similarly, you can ask a Siddha Apsara to "Vashikrit this woman or man", "bring me 2 pieces of gold", "produce fragrant smell around me".

I mean, each Yoni have their work. But i am really ardent to Siddhi of only Devatas and ParaBrahma, and only of Deva Yoni like Yogini, Siddhas, Nathas, Naags, Rishi, Muni. It is said, even Gandharv, Apsara, Vidhyadhar can be deluding, who are considered Dev-like.

For example, telling you my personal requirement. I want to do Sadhana and Siddhis, but there is literally no human i have yet crossed with or met, who even have slight understanding of Tantra Mantra and Siddhis. But as you know, Sadhana requires you to make a room, make Yajnakund too, bring wood, get Dhoop, Flowers, Chandan, Akshat, Itra, Clothes, Photos and Murti, and what not. Even if you put physical and practical efforts in it, you would spend 15 hours of your days just collecting these items. This is why Sadhakas were given Siddhi Mantra of various Yonis. So a Veer, Bhoot, can actually bring flowers, chandan, wood etc, but a Yogini, Apsara, Gandharv or Siddha would refuse this work. Because each Yoni simply does the work they can and would, this is why you cannot make a Yogini to bring chandan and flowers, similarly a Bhoot cannot bring gold, but Apsara can do it. However, Bhoot can clean the room, bring wood, even sometimes help start a fire in Yajna and put it off too.

What are your knowledge about it. Because while i want to only do Siddhi of Devatas and ParaBrahma and Deva Yoni like Yogini, Siddhas, Naths, Naags, Rishi, Muni and Guru Devatas. But i am feeling that for many real world work a Sadhak might need Siddhi of other Yonis like Veer, Apsara, Gandharv, Bhoot, Kinnar, Vidyadhar, Yakshini, Yaksha, etc.

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in short:
What Yoni and Which Devata is fitting for what work?

i have been deliberately avoiding Pitri Puja and Kul Devta puja, because i consider them unfit for respect as a Devata. but i heard many saying, even tantra sadhaks, that pitri puja and kul Devta puja actually helps and also is necessary. but i genuinely don't understand why. because i don't want to waste my time and effort to a useless entity like Pitri or Kul Devata.

Devata are a only the Indra, Agni, Vayu, Shachi, Ganga, Yama, Surya, Chandra, Varahi, Pratyangira and respected other Devatas.

Naagas are also counted in Devata. Shesha, Vasuki, Padma and all are counted in Devatas. The Naags in Patal Lok are seen as Devata and can be worshipped for blessing as Devata.

Of course Parabrahma in Sakar and Nirakar both is also Devata and ultimate supreme being. Shiva, Vishnu, Durga, Lakshmi, Ganesh, Karttikeya, Bhairava and respected others are Sakar form of ParaBrahma and their Sakar form is Devata too.

But while Pitri are mentioned in puran and vedas too. There is a unclear description. Many say that Pitris are not ancestors, but a group of Devatas themselves like Aryama and others. While other sources do mention things like ancestors being Pitri. But however, there is no description of Kul Devata found in Shastra puran, agam and nigam too.

Also i heard many people have a Pari, Bhairav Veer, Veer, Bhoot, Mashaan, or just a random Atma as their "Kul Devata". Even if they do help, and are genuinely benevolent beings. This is horrendous because they even would randomly demand tamasic offerings like alcohol or animal sacrifice (bali), which goes completely against the pure worship of actual Devatas.

How can such entities, which might just be wandering spirits or localized energies, be given the status of Devatas? If our ultimate goal as sadhaks is spiritual elevation, material pleasures and luxury, and finally liberation, why are we advised to entangle ourselves with these lower energies or ancestors who themselves might still be stuck in the cycle of birth and death?

So i want genuine discussion. Not a "got you" moment or "tremble the ground beneath your feet" moment.

Is "Pitri Dosha" or "Kul Devta upset" can really interfere our main sadhana? as many laymen people and some practitioners claim? or is this just a misconception used to keep people tied to worldly rituals?

I genuinely want to understand the spiritual or especially the tantric mechanics behind this. If anyone can explain the real, practical reason why a sadhak must acknowledge or worship the Kul Devta and Pitri Devta to progress, I am completely open to learning. Please share your insights and experiences. And genuine discussion. No "give you a reality check" , "you ignorant fool", etc moment. If Kul Devta and Pitri are such important, why are they not being taught. Regardless, i want to know real thing about Pitri Puja and Kul Devta Puja.

For example, i was doing Navratri Vrat, and instead of focusing on Durga, i was told to pay respect to Kul Devi and Pitri too. This is outright stupid. It feels more like a interference. This is just an example, please don't revolve around it only. Similarly if I am doing some Sadhana, randomly the "Kul Devata" pop up saying that it is time for our yearly ritual. This is absurd. and similar such instances.

ok. as many of us, i was a very dire devotee since childhood, and at age 14-15 i started doing tantra. But ever since, i have had constant trouble adjusting with kaliyug behaviour. For example, like how today we have cars, scooty, kurkure, chips, chocolate, cakes (many even becoming egg-mixed), even non-veg behaviour and gyming, sports, weird songs, party culture, etc. clothing is so westernised like tops, skirts, pants, jeans, shoes, belt, etc.

this makes me completely unable to do Tantra Sadhana. I know that Bhagwan and Tantra see your genuine efforts and that clothing, food doesn't matter too much, but there is still a limit.

For example, i was doing Navaratri Puja, and i couldn't do 9 vrat because of stupid school! I did 3 vrat out of 9, and on rest of days my mother made food made with onion garlic! I lashed with anger at my mother then suddenly realised that she didn't even do it deliberately, she is just accustomed to cooking with onion garlic. this is just example , not a onion-garlic debate.

Sometimes i feel annoyed about eating kurkure, chips, chocolate, ice cream and all this. And then suddenly feel like, look these other people who are simply enjoying life are having no trouble eating such packet food, mobile instagram reels, web series, "modern" clothes, cars, scooty and what not. At which point i feel like a fool, who tried to follow a "traditional" life and today am physically and practically lacking in life.

Another example i really feel sad about, is that i didn't go to gyming and sports center, because i saw them as bad and tamsic or you can say overindulgent behaviour, but the truth turned out that it was "normal" and today all guys are doing gym and becoming attractive. I look like champoo, which annoys me because is this what i am doing tantra and bhakti for?

But when i do Bhakti and Tantra, i feel impure if i have eaten tomato tango chips or i am wearing a "t shirt" while doing Sadhana. i just want what are your thoughts and practices about it, how do you manage these "kaliyug behaviour" things and do your sadhana upasana and bhakti?

i am serious about this. please tell with genuine knowledge and experience.

i don't do pitar karm or any kul devta puja. Because i don't think they are Devta. i am 25 age man currently.

when i was 14 year old, i felt drawn towards mantra. when i was 14 i did jhaadaa mantra (fever, nazar, such type of jhaada) of some relatives, not even knowing what i did, But it worked. At around age 14, i did Vashikaran of a boy in my class, not knowing what are repercussions of it, that boy was completely Vashikrit by me and he was also 14 year old only. But of course i couldn't manage it because i was only 14 year old. Because i was extremely deep devotee of Shiva and Durga, i asked forgiveness that i would never do Vashikaran of anyone like this just to test and experiment. I don't even know if that Vashikaran is removed from that boy, because after school everyone in the class went different places and so on, normal life stuff.

After that, i was really immersed in Bhakti, like many of you might have experienced too that there is this stage of immense Bhakti to your Ishta Devata. I was extremely worshipping Shiva and Durga day and night, and always so energetic. At this point at age 15, i stumbled on a Lakshmi Tantra, and i did the Sadhana. and it worked too. Exactly on Sadhana completion day, i got huge amount of money (around 4 lakh) as a 15 year old. Of course i couldn't handle that money.

After that, i became a bit excited I wanted bigger Siddhi. I was still 16-17 year old, but something started becoming bad in my life. I became very weak and this extreme fear that something bad is happening. My friends going away from me, i had even physical harm.

So i opened up to my mother (because my father is passed away already) that i am feeling something bad, whether some bad tantra or maybe pitar or kul devta.

So my mother asked one of our elders in family who do Tantra and Puja. They have Kul-Devta siddhi, so the Kul Devta can come in their body and they can read hands. They told that "Pitars" and "Kul Devta" are sad and are calling this child (me).

At this point, i became terribly angry. Because Pitars are Bhoot or Pret Yoni and many of "Kul Devta" are just Yogini, Veer, Yogi or some Bhoot. Even if they do good, who are they to interfere in my life?

Then at age 20, i had problem with some people occupying our house and not leaving the house. I did a Ganesha Mantra Sadhana and it was like a prayer i said to Ganesh i would do 1 mala for 1 week because Prabhu Ganesh i am in dire situation and my mother is a alone lady, and exactly on the completion of 1 week, on the exact 7th day, those people occupying our house were thrown out of house. (A lady in neighbourhood started fighting with them, and this made them empty our house).

My reason, i am telling you all these stories, is not to show off like "look i am great sadhak, mantra work for me, praise for me". I am Showing you , that always it was ParaBrahma and Devata mantra and Puja that protected me and my family.

But everywhere, this "Pitar" and "Kul Devta" is popping up wherever we go to check. and this makes me angry because if they are "Devta" then how can they harm me? Devatas show you path, not harm you. You see how Shiva, Durga, Ganesh mantra, Lakshmi mantra always protected me, but how come these low level 2-kodi ke Pitar and Kul Devta who are actually Bhoot, Veer, Yogini, Chudail, Yogi, Preta or such are interfering in my life and Sadhana!

I am even ready to do their Pitar and Kul Devta kriya karm. But i feel like they are just small Yonis, like literally i have some friends whose Kul-Devta is literally a "Veer" even if it is a good Veer, it is still a Veer. Similarly i even hear there is a family whose Kul-Devi is a Pishachini, a good benevolent Pisachini, but it is A Pishachini! how can you worship such Kul-Devta.

It might sound strange, but me being able to do Mantra Sadhana, doesn't mean i know everything or i am some all-knowing Siddha! So i really have no knowledge of Pitars and KulDevta and when i ask my people, they don't tell anything and simply say "you just do it". I don't want to be worshipping some Bhoot and Veer or Yogini, but what is the real deal with Pitar and KulDevta!

because for past 2-3 years too much problem is coming and my mind is not stable and every Pujari is saying it is KulDevta and Pitar. So what is the truth of Pitar and KulDevta. Please tell real experience and not bashing opinions like "don't question tradition. tum pitaro ka hi kha rahe ho. kul devta is your first mother-father." etc. I want genuine knowledge and experience of what is this whole deal with Pitar and KulDevta. because i don't want to dismiss something, and don't want my Sadhana interfere by some Pitar and KulDevta. Do pitar and KulDevta really bless and help you? or are they just "pacify us" egoistic entity who are not even good!