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Theory: This Silhouette Was Not Gunko, But We Know Who It Is (Ch 1195 Spoilers)

It’s Candelle.

It seems odd that Imu would move heaven and earth to acquire Shuri, only to have her in a position where she could have chosen to die. After all, then he would lose her valuable eyes. That is why I think the silhouette talking to Imu is not Shuri, but her mother Candelle, because:

  • 3/4 of the main Esperia characters are shown in their “last moments” (Reuven/Shuri before they are Domi Reversi’d, Brook before he is stabbed), but not Candelle. Instead, we see Imu in the same panel spot where we saw Candelle’s grave. It is almost like he is surprising memories of Candelle specifically.

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  • We never saw what Candelle looked like dying, just confirmation that she died. The two other flashbacks mothers this arc, Estrid and Ida, were bedridden before their deaths.

 

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  • Candelle was bedridden in the past, notably before Shuri was born, and presumably right before she dies of illness. Shuri would not have memories from before she was born, but if St. Marcus Mars did cause the poisonous fog that ruined Esperia, then Imu would have the ability to appear there as well. We know both Mars and Imu later appear in Esperia on its final day. 
  • We never got any other hint as to why Oda gave Candelle unique SFX font reserved exclusively for Mihawk, who at the very least has some visual similarities to Imu, namely his eyes. Shuri/Gunko show us that unique eyes are a trait that can matter in this world.

 

In SBS 108, Oda states Mihawk “experienced a great betrayal” in his past, and we might be seeing something like that here with Candelle. 

I think Candelle was indeed a Manmayer Devoted Blade/Gods Knight, one who strayed a little too far from her mission for some reason. Mars caused the fog not to twist Reuven’s arm, but Candelle’s. She thought Imu would relent, stopping before potentially harming her or her family, which is why she is so confident the fog would go away. 

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Instead, she falls ill, and Imu “visits” her one last time via Mars. Shuri accidentally saw this meeting, and more importantly was seen by Imu, hence the very last panel of Imu’s eye. Shuri didn’t understand what was happening with her mother and probably thought the whole meeting was just a nightmare. For Imu, it was a dream come true, he found the best possible replacement for Candelle, one with her family’s gifted eyes.

Afterwords, events play out like Brook remembers. Candelle dies, and Gurou is sent to recover Shuri, who is his niece. I believe Gurou is Candelle’s brother because it would then be an exact mirror of what is happening with Loki in Elbaph at the same time, 62 years ago: Environmental disaster -> Mother dies from illness -> Maternal uncle comes in. 

Elbaph:

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Esperia:

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Currently with Shuri, any reveal seems to raise two more questions, but it looking more and more like Imu granted Shuri’s wish to be strong just like her mother. 

u/Stunning-Quality1995 — 4 days ago

Shuri Is The Only Person To Have Irises While Under Domi Reversi

Every other character under Domi Reversi, whether getting stabbed or turned via abyss circle, has their eyes go completely white.

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If you can fight it, you could temporarily regain your old eyes.

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Shuri is different, these irises are different from her normal eyes. They might be the same color as her left eye, but it still lacks a pupil.

If it were anyone else, I’d say it was maybe a design mistake, but since Shuri was taken for having “Bipolar Irises”, and she appears to be Imu’s most compatible vessel, it mean something. Maybe this was the first test to see if she could awaken her eyes?

u/Stunning-Quality1995 — 29 days ago
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Gunko Is A Pariah Among The Manmayers

On the surface, Shuri appears very blessed: A princess who becomes a Celestial Dragon and immortal God Knight, with gifted eyes that drew the attention of “God” (Imu), whom she is a vessel for. The same could be said of Loki: A crown prince gifted with the incredible power of ancient giants, who wields both of Elbaph’s treasures: The Niddhoggr fruit and Ragnir. In reality, we know Loki’s life was anything but blessed, as among other things, he was abused by his birth mother and her family. I believe Shuri had a similar experience with the Manmayers, even after becoming Gunko. Simply put: Despite all of her gifts, Gunko is not liked by the Manmayer family, and was treated poorly by them for decades. 

With Gunko, it can be difficult to decipher who made certain choices for her: Imu or the Manmayers. For example, Imu was probably the one who decided to erase her memories and rename her when she got her (likely Abyssal) covenant. He is also responsible for mouth being permanently covered, as it was first covered with cloth while she is his flower room attendant. However, there are other facets of Gunko’s personality and appearances that the Manmayers were likely responsible for.

1.) Gunko Does Not Understand Love

The God Knights have a few different understandings of love. Some view it as a weakness in people to exploit, like how Sommers’ sees the giants love for their children. Others understand love, but only for their own, like how Garling cares for Shanks and Shammrock. 

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Gunko is different, love of any kind is something she is completely unfamiliar with. When Sommers tries to make small talk about the giant’s love for their children, Gunko has no idea what he is talking about at all. We see Gurou has no love for Shuri, admitting it was Imu who wanted to bring her in. He doesn’t care that she has special eyes. After all, he knows she’ll probably ended up replacing him. I believe sentiment was echoed throughout the Manmayer family. Like Loki as a child, Gunko had to give up on any kind of love from her new family.

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2.) Gunko Is Called A Pet

Chronologically, the first time we see Gunko outside of Mary Geoise is at God Valley, nearly 25 years after Esperia fell. After being with the Manmayers for nearly a quarter century, how is she referred to by other Celestial Dragons? She is called the Knighthood’s Pet Devoted Blade. Now, given Gunko’s special covenant, Imu is probably responsible for her rank (Devoted Blade). However, being called a “pet”, an attack dog, after being with the Manmayers for almost 25 years, suggests Gunko was not exactly treated with respect and dignity, despite her obvious strength.

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3.) Gunko Is Dressed Worse Than Other God Knights

While Gunko has a good design, if you judge her outfit as an indicator of status, she is dressed noticeably worse than other God Knights. All other God Knights wears royal military outfits that are typically feature many decorations, accoutrements, and sometimes even medals (Sommers). Not Gunko though.

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Currently, she wears a basic oversized tunic, a simple cloak, and a hat. If you compare her to Gurou, you notice his uniform is higher quality than Gunko’s. They have the same rank, and Gunko has a higher covenant and the (presumably) awakened eyes that he lacks. Outside of the hat, the quality of Gunko’s attire is worse. 

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The God Knights are meant to be above standard Celestial Dragons, essentially their family’s flag bearer. So for Gunko to be dressed so plainly, even compared to her Devoted Blade uniform, it feels almost like a form of protest from the Manmayers, that despite Imu anointing Gunko, they don’t feel Gunko should represent their family.

Gunko is also missing another key item other God Knights possess, and I’m not talking about pants…

4.) Gunko Does Not Carry A Weapon

Gunko does not carry a weapon of any kind with her. To be fair, we don’t see Gurou carry a weapon either, but given that he was accompanied by the Navy, Mars, and even Imu, I would wager that was not a typical mission. Gurou was only there to escort Shuri to Mary Geoise. We see for any field assignment where fighting is a possibility, the God Knights/Devoted Blades, even ones with devil fruits, carry weapons with them. Except for Gunko.

Weapons play a huge role in the Elbaph arc. The First Twenty (except the Neferatis) pledge themselves to Imu by giving him their weapons, which he uses as his main form of fighting. As their custodian, Imu bestows those sacred family weapons to their descendants as his strongest blessing. Receiving and wielding weapons carries great symbolic and literal value to the Gods Knights. 

Shuri showed great promise with swords as a child. She even leaves Esperia with her sword, but that is the last time we see her carry a weapon. Now Gunko can create her own arsenal with her devil fruit, but so can Sommers (clubs, thorn guns) and he carries a sword. The God Valley Manmayer carried a rifle, but Gunko doesn’t get anything? You could argue Gunko is a living weapon as she is Imu’s preferred vessel, but wouldn’t that make her more worthy of a weapon, even just a ceremonial one, rather than less? When Imu possess Gunko, he summons his preferred weapons (trident, grimoire to summon gun and dagger), but if Gunko wielded something like Cerberus, I doubt it would hinder him. 

It’s not a question about if Gunko needs a weapon, it’s if she deserves one, and the Manmayers feel she is not worthy of using their armaments.

Conclusion

Loki was hated by his mother because she thought he was cursed and blamed him for all of Elbaph misfortunes. After her death, her brother continues to abuse Loki for years because he believes Loki’s curse killed his sister. I think there is a similar dynamic with Gunko and the Manmayers. 

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In spite of her precious eyes, the Manmayers feel upset that they have to accept Shuri, but they cannot refuse Imu. It is something deeper than just being born in Esperia. Garling has no issue with Shammrock and Shanks, and even welcomed back Shanks with open arms when he temporarily returns to Mary Geoise. Even after getting her memories wiped and getting a fresh start as Gunko, the Manmayers still chose to hold a grudge against her, even though she is literally (as his attendant) the person closest to their “God”, Imu. They make it a point to ensure she is poorly dressed, withhold their armaments, and is generally unloved. The truth about Shuri’s past and nature is something the Manmayers find more offensive than simply being a bastard with gifted eyes. 

As for Imu, he doesn’t care if the Manmayers hate Gunko. The power/utility of Gunko’s eyes are all that matter, her personal feelings and mental state are irrelevant. If anything, he might encourage the Manmayers to make Gunko miserable. If she was happy and felt loved, it might remind her of Esperia, which we see hinders Imu’s control of his “Army Child”. Brook is the only “family” member left that cares about Shuri/Gunko as a person, because the Manmayers do not.

u/Stunning-Quality1995 — 1 month ago

Brook Is Both Rocks And Nika (Symbolically)

Once you notice that Loki and Shuri are narrative parallels, you will be shocked by how how close their stories are to one another. Formally introduced in Loki’s flashback, we see Rocks D. Xebec made a huge impact on Loki’s life. In another narrative parallel, we see that the man who made the same impact on Shuri’s life is none other than Soul King Brook.

After Brook’s second flashback, we see a number of similarities between him and Rocks:

  • Born in West Blue and eventually become pirate captains. Both also have been technically dead for decades.
  • Xebec’s fake family name, Rocks, fits with Brook being a musician and Esperia’s musical motif. 
  • Both serve as secondary fathers/role models to royal children. Brook helped raise Shuri since birth and inspired her love of music, specifically his songs, which remained even after she became Gunko. Loki idolized Rocks and his strength since their first meeting. He even wanted to help Rocks become King of the World. 
  • Rocks and Brook both turned down Loki and Shuri’s pleas to sail with them as part of their pirate crew.

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  • Rocks and Brook both “fought” Loki and Shuri respectively at points in their lives, to different results.

https://preview.redd.it/lvu5u7n6y4nh1.jpg?width=1810&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=131bff9809d102a57f2e21191d698bc9a71a1d15

Rocks and Brooks both also share a deep comradery with kings, Harald and Reuven, that extends beyond their children.

  • Brook is deeply indebted to Reuven for saving him from a life of poverty and misery, and giving him the opportunity to be a musician. Brook puts his pirate dreams on hold to fulfill his duty to his patron and adopted brother. Reuven felt the same way, he fought corrupt marines and assigned Brook to be Candelle’s squire after a short time because he loved Brook like a brother, even though they met not very long ago.

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  • It might not seem like it at first, but Rocks and Harald also shared a strong bond. Rocks wanted Harald to join his crew to help him (Rocks) become King of the World, but he never wanted to force Harald to join, saying he would make the pitch hundreds of times if necessary. He threatened Kaido for suggesting he should strong arm Harald to join, and pleaded with Imu to leave Harald alone as all he wanted was peace for giants.

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  • For Harald, when news of Rocks’ death reached him, he was incredibly upset, feeling he abandoned his best friend to die.

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Unlike Rocks, Brook is probably not a Davy by blood, but Reuven might have been. Loki’s past had two special bloodlines, Ancient Giants and Davys. Shuri has one notable clan so far, Manmayers, so it would not be shocking if a Davy showed up in her past too. That maybe partly the reason Imu oversaw Reuven’s death “personally” in the throne room, similar to how Imu intervened at God Valley. Since he was basically adopted by Reuven, Brook picks up the mantle of Davy clan member. And while Rocks did not see Loki as anything besides Harald’s son, Brook will realize he will save Shuri because of who she is as an person, not simply because of her ties to Reuven. 

So if Brook and Rock are parallels, where does Nika come in? A big reason Loki idolized Rocks was because he thought Rocks was Nika, a liberator who tears down the world while laughing. Nika also plays a big role in Gunko’s life - he’s Gunko’s biggest fear. While Luffy is the actual person who will fufill the promise of the god Nika and liberate the world, Brook is the one who will to liberate Gunko.

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Imu will be forced to retreat to return to Mary Geoise at some point, and he will try to take Gunko with him. Brook will face Imu like Rocks did in God Valley, and stand his ground in a verbal exchange against Imu - “The World” according to Rocks- for Shuri. He’ll probably throw in “Yo ho ho ho” laugh for good measure. Brook isn’t any threat to Imu like Rocks was, but that courageous act will be enough to break Imu’s control and liberate Shuri after decades of control. 

u/Stunning-Quality1995 — 1 month ago

Brooks Is Both Rocks And Nika (Symbolically)

Reposting since there were issues with pics before.

Once you notice that Loki and Shuri are narrative parallels, you will be shocked by how how close their stories are to one another. Formally introduced in Loki’s flashback, we see Rocks D. Xebec made a huge impact on Loki’s life. In another narrative parallel, we see that the man who made the same impact on Shuri’s life is none other than Soul King Brook.

After Brook’s second flashback, we see a number of similarities between him and Rocks:

  • Born in West Blue and eventually become pirate captains. Both also have been technically dead for decades.
  • Xebec’s fake family name, Rocks, fits with Brook being a musician and Esperia’s musical motif. 
  • Both serve as secondary fathers/role models to royal children. Brook helped raise Shuri since birth and inspired her love of music, specifically his songs, which remained even after she became Gunko. Loki idolized Rocks and his strength since their first meeting. He even wanted to help Rocks become King of the World. 
  • Rocks and Brook both turned down Loki and Shuri’s pleas to sail with them as part of their pirate crew.

https://preview.redd.it/inzzn198x4nh1.jpg?width=2111&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=570bbc01dd476a24d37fb80f66b9a6c81a604b22

  • Rocks and Brook both “fought” Loki and Shuri respectively at points in their lives, to different results.

https://preview.redd.it/f0yzsmy9x4nh1.jpg?width=1810&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=24a186c6388d98176a503899b355744d52939006

Rocks and Brooks both also share a deep comradery with kings, Harald and Reuven, that extends beyond their children.

  • Brook is deeply indebted to Reuven for saving him from a life of poverty and misery, and giving him the opportunity to be a musician. Brook puts his pirate dreams on hold to fulfill his duty to his patron and adopted brother. Reuven felt the same way, he fought corrupt marines and assigned Brook to be Candelle’s squire after a short time because he loved Brook like a brother, even though they met not very long ago.

https://preview.redd.it/r3ev4ntbx4nh1.jpg?width=2123&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=daff8ae0d35cef41ec5f9a4435e48e63308aca61

  • It might not seem like it at first, but Rocks and Harald also shared a strong bond. Rocks wanted Harald to join his crew to help him (Rocks) become King of the World, but he never wanted to force Harald to join, saying he would make the pitch hundreds of times if necessary. He threatened Kaido for suggesting he should strong arm Harald to join, and pleaded with Imu to leave Harald alone as all he wanted was peace for giants.

https://preview.redd.it/4d5o7lbgx4nh1.jpg?width=2179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a182c4fc2ff4f44ab0a95e45e3d6887fb8ff37c7

  • For Harald, when news of Rocks’ death reached him, he was incredibly upset, feeling he abandoned his best friend to die.

https://preview.redd.it/dhcrvpajx4nh1.jpg?width=819&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=91e38e79e0da69e7fe12b2188c8e3a24b7851dd7

Unlike Rocks, Brook is probably not a Davy by blood, but Reuven might have been. Loki’s past had two special bloodlines, Ancient Giants and Davys. Shuri has one notable clan so far, Manmayers, so it would not be shocking if a Davy showed up in her past too. That maybe partly the reason Imu oversaw Reuven’s death “personally” in the throne room, similar to how Imu intervened at God Valley. Since he was basically adopted by Reuven, Brook picks up the mantle of Davy clan member. And while Rocks did not see Loki as anything besides Harald’s son, Brook will realize he will save Shuri because of who she is as an person, not simply because of her ties to Reuven. 

So if Brook and Rock are parallels, where does Nika come in? A big reason Loki idolized Rocks was because he thought Rocks was Nika, a liberator who tears down the world while laughing. Nika also plays a big role in Gunko’s life - he’s Gunko’s biggest fear. While Luffy is the actual person who will fufill the promise of the god Nika and liberate the world, Brook is the one who will to liberate Gunko.

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Imu will be forced to retreat to return to Mary Geoise at some point, and he will try to take Gunko with him. Brook will face Imu like Rocks did in God Valley, and stand his ground in a verbal exchange against Imu - “The World” according to Rocks- for Shuri. He’ll probably throw in “Yo ho ho ho” laugh for good measure. Brook isn’t any threat to Imu like Rocks was, but that courageous act will be enough to break Imu’s control and liberate Shuri after decades of control. 

u/Stunning-Quality1995 — 1 month ago

Rocks, Nika, and…Brook? (Manga Spoilers)

Once you notice that Loki and Shuri are narrative parallels, you will be shocked by how how close their stories are to one another. Formally introduced in Loki’s flashback, we see Rocks D. Xebec made a huge impact on Loki’s life. In another narrative parallel, we see that the man who made the same impact on Shuri’s life is none other than Soul King Brook.

After Brook’s second flashback, we see a number of similarities between him and Rocks:

  • Born in West Blue and eventually become pirate captains. Both also have been technically dead for decades.
  • Xebec’s fake family name, Rocks, fits with Brook being a musician and Esperia’s musical motif. 
  • Both serve as secondary fathers/role models to royal children. Brook helped raise Shuri since birth and inspired her love of music, specifically his songs, which remained even after she became Gunko. Loki idolized Rocks and his strength since their first meeting. He even wanted to help Rocks become King of the World. 
  • Rocks and Brook both turned down Loki and Shuri’s pleas to sail with them as part of their pirate crew.

https://preview.redd.it/se530urat3nh1.jpg?width=2111&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4bf75a059978c857dba2ffed07c144c949b0284d

  • Rocks and Brook both “fought” Loki and Shuri respectively at points in their lives, to different results.

https://preview.redd.it/3yz65nqct3nh1.jpg?width=1810&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a6c9fcbdf0d81c6aa3359b7af3bbc74f9088d23c

Rocks and Brooks both also share a deep comradery with kings, Harald and Reuven, that extends beyond their children.

  • Brook is deeply indebted to Reuven for saving him from a life of poverty and misery, and giving him the opportunity to be a musician. Brook puts his pirate dreams on hold to fulfill his duty to his patron and adopted brother. Reuven felt the same way, he fought corrupt marines and assigned Brook to be Candelle’s squire after a short time because he loved Brook like a brother, even though they met not very long ago.

https://preview.redd.it/lf5th46ft3nh1.jpg?width=2123&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a8006c4d20bb25a217fefe5789bd2204597e48e8

  • It might not seem like it at first, but Rocks and Harald also shared a strong bond. Rocks wanted Harald to join his crew to help him (Rocks) become King of the World, but he never wanted to force Harald to join, saying he would make the pitch hundreds of times if necessary. He threatened Kaido for suggesting he should strong arm Harald to join, and pleaded with Imu to leave Harald alone as all he wanted was peace for giants.

https://preview.redd.it/0u1efxqht3nh1.jpg?width=2179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0ff2a4cc4bceb655cf5036c3c6d17d480e2b1f00

  • For Harald, when news of Rocks’ death reached him, he was incredibly upset, feeling he abandoned his best friend to die.

https://preview.redd.it/zph1x77kt3nh1.jpg?width=819&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6b14db1a4484672264784023c633835bedfe84e6

Unlike Rocks, Brook is probably not a Davy by blood, but Reuven might have been. Loki’s past had two special bloodlines, Ancient Giants and Davys. Shuri has one notable clan so far, Manmayers, so it would not be shocking if a Davy showed up in her past too. That maybe partly the reason Imu oversaw Reuven’s death “personally” in the throne room, similar to how Imu intervened at God Valley. Since he was basically adopted by Reuven, Brook picks up the mantle of Davy clan member. And while Rocks did not see Loki as anything besides Harald’s son, Brook will realize he will save Shuri because of who she is as an person, not simply because of her ties to Reuven. 

So if Brook and Rock are parallels, where does Nika come in? A big reason Loki idolized Rocks was because he thought Rocks was Nika, a liberator who tears down the world while laughing. Nika also plays a big role in Gunko’s life - he’s Gunko’s biggest fear. While Luffy is the actual person who will fufill the promise of the god Nika and liberate the world, Brook is the one who will to liberate Gunko.

Imu will be forced to retreat to return to Mary Geoise at some point, and he will try to take Gunko with him. Brook will face Imu like Rocks did in God Valley, and stand his ground in a verbal exchange against Imu - “The World” according to Rocks- for Shuri. He’ll probably throw in “Yo ho ho ho” laugh for good measure. Brook isn’t any threat to Imu like Rocks was, but that courageous act will be enough to break Imu’s control and liberate Shuri after decades of control.

u/Stunning-Quality1995 — 1 month ago

Imu Gave Gunko Her Name

For those unaware, “Gunko” translates to “Army Child” or ”Military Child”. When Imu explains his power while fighting Loki he calls Omen his “Miliatary Might”. It would be reasonable to assume that Gunko, the person Imu possessed, was given that name by Imu as she is an extension of his power. Not exactly earth-shattering, you probably had the same thought yourself. But it is important because it might serve as the tip of the iceberg of Imu and Gunko’s connection, and it could serve as a hint that Gunko will turn the tide against Imu.

Gunko is very unique among Gods Knights, even from as little as we have seen from them. Among her difference:

  • All other GK uniforms are fancy and aristocratic, while Gunko is currently wearing a simple basic jacket. Eagle eyed readers also probably noticed that she is not wearing pants.
  • When Imu killed Cobra, his tail attack was nearly identical to the Gunko’s DF arrows.
  • She has non-aging immortality, suggesting her covenant is on par with the Gorosei, which she probably had since she left Esperia. However, her rank does not equal her covenant. We see her as a Devoted Blade in God Valley, and is currently a God Knight, below the Gorosei.

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  • When Imu possessed Saturn, Imu’s shadow form was visually overriding Saturn. When Imu possessed Gunko, it is more akin to Imu piloting her body. Iteven changes her hair to look more like is real form.

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  • When Imu possessed Gunko, he is able to summon weapons to fight, very similar to how he fights in his real form with the throne room weapons.

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This could be the result of Gunko’s special eyes, but it would not change the fact that Imu is the most central figure in Gunko’s life after Esperia fell. Her eyes are important to Imu, so much so that Imu felt compelled to oversee her capture personally (via possessing Mars). Gurou was probably only there because someone had to be on the ship to Mary Geoise with Shuri. The next time Gunko is seen is Imu‘s flower room as his attendant. During God Valley, the other Manmayer GK said since Gunko was now allowed to participate, the Manmayers could win.

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Gunko probably did not spend much time outside Pangea Castle before this. She probably lived there as opposed to the Manmayer Estate. Imu had far more direct control of Gunko’s life than any Manmayer.

One of the major themes of Elbaph is that Dragon was right, a child is their parents weak spot. The giant children are held hostage to coerce their parents to serve the WG. Rocks went to God Valley to save his wife and son. Esperia fell because Reuven refused to hand over Shuri. But that weakness cuts both ways. Imu lost an incredibly useful weapon in Harald because of Harald’s love for Loki. Harald was able to overcome Imu’s control long enough to let Loki kill him. We will see this weakness used against Imu directly now.

We don’t know if Imu has any living family (as in Neronas) or the truth of Shuri’s past (probably some bigger reveals than what we are currently expecting), but right now, Imu does have an “Army Child” on Elbaph. Sommers/Killingham will lose their fights and weaken Imu, but it will be Brook turning Gunko back to Shuri that will really turn the tide against Imu. Whether she forces Imu back to Mary Geoise, or sacrifices herself to serious hurt Imu (stronger covenant than Harald would hurt Imu more), Gunko will be key to defeating Imu.

u/Stunning-Quality1995 — 2 months ago

Will An Established Character Get Inducted Into The Gods Knights?

By the time Elbaph ends, the Gods Knights could be down three members. Sommers and Killingham feel like they will die to weaken Imu. Brook will probably find a way to help Gunko break her covenant, but she’ll live. Killing her after being a brainwashed servant for over 60 years feels a little harsh for Oda. Regardless, the Gods Knights will have some openings.

In One Piece, any time an established elite group (Schichibukai, Yonko, Marine Officers) has a shakeup, it will mostly be filled with a character that was already established.

Schichibukai: Law, Buggy, Blackbeard

Yonko: Buggy, Blackbeard, Luffy

Marines: Smoker got promoted to Vice Admiral, Sakazuki got promoted to Fleet Admiral.

Even Garling was introduced as a God Knight before he got promoted to Gorosei.

I think the pattern will continue, and I have some names:

Doflamingo: Heavy favorite. CD bloodline, in WG custody, alludes to knowing some of the biggest secrets involving Imu. Strong enough where a covenant boost could put him on Zoro or Sanji’s level, even post Elbaph. Gorosei are probably aware he would try to betray them, but might be desperate enough to run that risk.

Mihawk: Dark horse. Mysterious character that has a lot of eerie visual similarities to Imu, which could be something. We know very little about his past, but maybe some of those early duels with Shanks took place in Mary Geoise when Shanks was a Devoted Blade? He is a loner (Cross Guild aside) who would probably view a covenant as cheating, but it would also put him in proximity to Zoro for their final showdown.

King: Outsider pick. Currently in WG custody and no captain. He‘s like Harald in that his rare bloodline might allow the GK to make an exception on letting someone from the outside become a GK. Depending on how Imu fares after Elbaph, he might want to keep a Lunarian body close as well. The WG do have the Seraphim, but King still has a lot of value, especially if he got a covenant boost.

u/Stunning-Quality1995 — 2 months ago

Gunko’s Half-Sister

I made a post yesterday about how I believe Shuri/Gunko killed Gurou after getting to Mary Geoise, and I wanted to mention this but felt it would make the post too long.

Looking at the God Valley incident again, I realized there will be another Shuri/Loki parallel revealed when we get another Shuri flashback. The Manmayer woman at the God Valley incident is definitely Shuri’s Manmayer half-sister. Loki had Hajrudin, Shuri will have this woman. She probably has heterochromia too, but can’t awaken it, similar to Gurou, and like how Hajrudin doesn’t really have any ancient giant traits despite it being in his blood.

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It is difficult to tell if she is supposed to be younger or older than Shuri. She is bigger than Shuri and technically outranks her at this point in the story (she is a full God Knight, Gunko is only a Devoted Steel Balde). However, Shuri is immortal and around 40 at this point, and this other Manmayer looks younger than that, but it can be hard to tell with OP women, especially with her eyes obfuscated.

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If you read the other post you know I think Candelle is a little fishy, and it it worth noting that this other Manmayer has white hair in the manga, blue-ish in the anime clip, with some texture. Very similar to Shuri and her mother Candelle, who we know very little about. Maybe these sister share a covenant mother while the brothers (Loki and Hajrudin) share a covenant father?

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While Gurou’s hair is so straight and black I thought it was part of his hat when he was introduced.

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Either way, this unnamed Manmayer is Shuri’s half sister.

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u/Stunning-Quality1995 — 2 months ago
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Gunko Killed Another Gods Knight In The Past

When Loki killed Harald in the throne room, he killed his king, his father, and a God’s Knight all in one. Loki and Shuri/Gunko story’s have been shown to nearly identically, and we saw Shuri kill her king, Reuven, in a throne room already. To be a true mirror to Loki, Shuri would need to kill her father and a Gods Knight as well, and I think she did just that. After Gurou takes Princess Shuri to Mary Geoise, “Gunko” was born pretty much right away and Imu had her kill Gurou.

After Esperia falls, the next time Shuri is seen chronologically was when Xebec made it to the Flower Room six years later. She has not aged at all, so at this point has the same covenant as the Gorosei, most likely an Abyssal Covenants. We know that for Depths and Abyssal Covenants, Imu can bestow only 13 total between the Gods Knights and Gorosei. Shuri has taken a covenant slot that belonged to someone else.  

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The Gods Knights are seen at God Valley 18 years later. Gurou is not among them. Some speculate he is the yeti DF user, I disagree. They only share a nose, and even if the yeti has heterochromia, they are the opposite from Gurou and Gunko.

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At God Valley, we see seven Gods Knights, and there are five Gorosei, which makes 12 covenants, plus Shuri, who even though she is a Devoted Steel Blade on paper, we know has an Abyssal Covenant, which brings to total to 13. All covenants are accounted for with no Gurou in sight, so he is no longer a God’s Knight. 

Being a God’s Knight is a lifetime commitment as shown by Garling and Sommers, who are knights for decades. They could die of old age, but I suspect that if a God Knight were to get too old and feeble, Imu would revoke their covenant and give it to a younger, stronger Devoted Steel Blade. If losing the covenant did not automatically kill them, Imu would probably order the new God Knight to dispose of the old one, since they are now useless. They could alternatively be promoted to Gorosei, but Garling seems like the first person to do that in decades, if not centuries. Gurou was not a Gorosei, and he did not look that old in Esperia, so most likely would have been active in God Valley 24 years later if he was alive. 

When Gurou is in Esperia, we can tell he deeply dislikes Shuri. He calls her a whelp, and admits he is only there on Imu’s orders. He also discloses that his own special eyes never awakened, essentially confirming he is a failure in the eyes on Imu. He knows that if Shuri awakens her eyes, he is essentially helping secure his replacement. His spot could have gone to the other Manmayer in God Valley, but given the hat Gunko is wearing now is nearly identical to Gurou, Gunko is feels more likely as the one who had something to do with Gurou’s fate.

But even if he lost his covenant and status, why would he be killed? Wouldn’t Shuri’s existence prove he can sire children with special eyes? Why wouldn’t Imu just tell him to have as many children as possible? The simplest answer is Imu might only need one set of awakened eyes. Their power is clearly very rare and desirable, but it could be more of a luxury to Imu than a necessity. Given how few fighters there are capable of permanently killing a God Knight, being made one effectively makes you invincible. Once given an Abyssal Covenant, Gunko essentially became Imu’s unbreakable tool for all eternity. Other people with special eyes might be nice to have, but unnecessary given the limited covenants. 

There is also the slim possibility that Shuri’s existence proves Gurou’s potential bloodline is irrelevant. Let’s say that Candelle actually was an undercover Manmayer, and that Gurou was her brother, and something else entirely unrelated caused Candelle to be bedridden. If Shuri got her powerful eyes from her Manmayer mother, then the Manmayer Imu would want to have more children would be Candelle, who is dead, not Gurou. Gurou would then lose his God Knight status and be unable to prove he could sire useful children. Imu has zero reasons to keep him around. Now Shuri having a maternal uncle who hates her come and take her away after her mother died would be a big stretch…except that we see this exact scenario happen with Loki, exactly at the same time, 62 years ago, right after Elbaph also had an environmental disaster like Esperia. It is even implied that Loki was responsible for his uncle’s death as well.

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Either way, it is very likely that Imu forced Shuri/Gunko to kill Gurou. Shuri was probably taken to the Empty Throne, and Imu tested her eyes right away. Either the eyes awakened then and there, or it was confirmed that they would eventually. At this point, Imu took Gurou’s covenant and gave it to Shuri, and “Gunko” was born. If losing his covenant did not kill Gurou, then Imu ordered Gunko to finish him as he is no longer of any use to Imu. 

So Gunko is a cold-blooded beast who most likely killed both of her fathers (under Imu’s influence).

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u/Stunning-Quality1995 — 2 months ago

These Two Are Half-Sisters (Manga Spoilers)

The other Manmayer God Knight at the God Valley Incident will be revealed to be Gunko’s half-sister. Gunko already has a lot of parallels with Loki, and this girl will be another one. Loki has an older half-brother, Hajrudin, and this other Manmayer will be shown as Gunko’s half-sister. Can’t really tell if she is younger or older than Gunko though. She technically outranks Gunko at the time of God Valley (Gunko is technically a Devoted Steel Blade at this point), but Gunko got immortality early and it around 40 at this time, so who knows for sure.

While she probably has the same special eyes that Gunko has, she also has similar hair color, which is interesting. Both Gunko and this Manmayer have white hair in the manga (as does Gunko’s mother Candelle), which could be anything. But we know Gunko canonically has blue hair, and in the anime clip we see of the other Manmayer it is blue as well, though slightly different hue. It is definitely not black, which is Gurou’s hair color. This leads to three different conclusions:

  1. Gurou proved he could sire children with special eyes, and this girls mother just also had blue hair. Most likely option.
  2. Candelle was actually referring to Gurou when talking about the man she loved to Brook, and she faked her death to go to Mary Geoise. This girl is actually Gunko’s full sister, and would explain her hair color. The scenario is gross, hopefully not the case.
  3. Gurou is a red herring (Gunko’s Uncle or Grandfather) and Candelle actually was a Manmayer God Knight and faked her death to leave Esperia. She proved she could sire children with special eyes, and this is her other daughter, which would explain the similar eyes and hair to Gunko. Very convoluted but also fun, so it is the least likely.
u/Stunning-Quality1995 — 2 months ago

Why Does Imu Have A Covenant?

During the fight with Gaban, we see Imu has a Depths Covenant on the back of his cape. That seems kind of odd. That’s clearly a Depths Covenant symbol, so even if it is just his version of a Jolly Roger, why wouldn’t he use an Abyssal Covenant symbol, whatever it is, since it’s the higher covenant? Maybe they are the same, but for an Abyssal Covenant it gets placed it on your heart/soul? Future reveal with Gunko/Shuri?

Do you thinks it’s just a design choice, or actually story relevant? I’ll go with the former.

u/Stunning-Quality1995 — 2 months ago

Luffy and Loki are immune to Domi Reversi because their souls are already corrupted.

We know Zoan fruits have personalities of their own, and when the fruit is awakened the user can lose their personality to the fruit‘s own. Mythical Zoan fruits would be no different. Luffy was able to avoid this, I think because his own personality is already very similiar to Joy Boy’s.

I think Mythical Zoan fruits (and maybe all devil fruits) carry the souls of their originator, or first user. When the fruit is awakened, their soul literally wakes up, and can overwhelm the current user. You either need very strong willpower (haki) to resist, or your personality is so similar that it is not an issue.

While we don’t know much about Domi Reversi, we know from the giants that shadow demons merge with your body, give you a power boost, and change your personality. Imu describes corruption as “power so lusted after easily gained”, so we could call Domi Reversi Imu corrupting a person. Basically, it is like a pseudo zoan awakening.

I think since Luffy has awakened his DF, Joy Boy‘s soul has already “corrupted” Luffy, making him immune to Domi Reversi. Loki might be revealed to have already awakened his fruit by nature of being an ancient giant and being able to maximize its potential.

u/Stunning-Quality1995 — 2 months ago

Small Theory on Brook’s Past (Manga Spoilers)

Looking back on Brooks flashback, everything started go wrong once the fog rolled into Esperia. The island’s instruments are ruined and many people get sick and die. Candelle tells everyone she is sure the mist will go away, and it actually does, but not before her own death.

Many people noted that St. Mars zoan form, Itsumade, is from a story where a bird yokai whose appearance coincides with times of plague, so he is responsible for the mist. The would appear to be confirmed by his appearance in the throne room later in the flashback.

Looking into the story, there is something else the Itsumade does, which is keep repeating “until when”. The Itsumade is asking how long the suffering will continue.

My theory is this: The WG reached out to Candelle to try and get her to bring Shuri to them on the sly. The fog was originally cover for Shuri’s extraction. Candelle refused to cooperate. I still believe there is more to Candelle than has been revealed, but if that is not the case and the current implications are true, than Candelle would have every reason not to want to give Shuri to the CDs. Mars kept upping the pressure by making the fog more deadly, essentially asking ”until when”/how much more will you make Esperia suffer until you hand over Shuri? Then once Candelle died, they realized they lost their stealth approach, and had to resort to the more heavy handed method we saw later.

Or maybe Candelle faked her death and left Esperia using the mist as cover, but since we saw a grave in the flashback, I’m not sure how she could have pulled that off unless she had a DF, which is why I feel more confident in the other theory.

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u/Stunning-Quality1995 — 3 months ago
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Foreshadowing a Reveal? (Manga Spoilers)

Popular theory when Reuven was introduced and I want to revist: Is Reuven is a descendant of the Davy clan?

There are a lot of design similarities between Reuven and Rocks/Blackbeard. ”Prime” Reuven looks more like Rocks, while “Sloppy” Reuven looks takes more after Blackbeard. The fact that Oda gave Reuven two designs rather than just one throughout the flashback tells us that he put a little more extra thought and effort into Reuven than he had too. While Oda will recycle some designs (child Brooks looks exactly like child Blackbeard and child Kuzan for example) there could be a couple other connections beyond the surface design.

Esperia: We know the largest gathering of Davy clansmen was in Gods Valley, a kingdom in West Blue. Rocks also tells us that the Davy’s have been mostly surviving in the criminal underworld. Esperia is a kingdom in the West Blue with an active criminal underworld (the Don boss that tries to kindap the queen, the curry/drug trade that child Brooks gets blamed for). While Reuven seems like a genuinely good guy, Brooks says Reuven’s dad was a bad king and blames him for his poverty, so maybe the king had underworld connections.

Rebel Personality: Despite being a prince, Reuven seems to find genuine happiness spending time with his bro Brooks, eschewing all of the fancy perks of royalty. We also see that despite Esperia being WG aligned, Reuven attacks Marines to save Brook, a kid he just met in a dump. Years later, he would declare war on the WG rather than hand over Shuri. Rocks essentially makes his pirate debut fighting a (informal) war against the WG, killing an admiral and making it to the Flower Room.

Imu’s Intervention: The fact that the King of the World present ”in person” (shadow form) in Esperia feels very important to me. We assume that he was there to help collect Shuri, but that feels like massive overkill. Using Domi Reversi to get Shuri to come would be helpful, but she was brainwashed probably right away, so they did not need her to come willingly. Shuri’s eyes are special and Imu wants them, but Imu also wants Vivi and so far he has never tried take her personally, even when she was in Mary Geoise with the Gorosei who he could have possessed to grab her there. The only other time we see Imu posses an Elder and DR someone was in God Valley, to personally ensure Rocks and the Davy clan die. Imu even DR Rocks and orders him to attack his child (and wife), which it looks like he did with Reuven.

I think Imu went to Esperia “himself” for two reasons, to collect Shuri and kill Reuven. I don’t think Reuven is Rock’s dad (we see him in God Valley), but maybe collecting Shuri was just one goal, and killing a Davy clansmen was another.

u/Stunning-Quality1995 — 3 months ago

Who do you think won’t make it out of Elbaph alive?

With how poorly the fight against Imu is going, it is feels like we are heading towards some heroic sacrifices taken to save Elbaph from Imu. The two most likely candidates are Gaban and Shuri/Gunko. While I don’t think they could die during the fight with Imu, by the time the Straw Hats set sail, I think one of them will have perished. The case for them would be:

Gaban:

Undoubtedly a very strong fighter, but not strong enough to seriously challenge Imu, especially since he’s already injured. It feels like he will sustain fatal injuries holding off Imu. He would probably be breathing at the end of their fight, and when Imu and the God’s Knights are banished and he knows Elbaph is safe, he would give the Straw Hats the message he hinted at earlier, then pass away. He tragically leaves behind a wife and son, while also passing the torch to the next generation.

Shuri/Gunko:

While the nature of her connection to Imu is still unknown, she is clearly someone he considers very valuable. God’s Knights deaths are an established weakness to Imu, and Gunko has a deeper connection to Imu than Harald did, so her death would have a huge impact on Imu, maybe enough to end the fight then and there. She could also just betray Imu and somehow banish him, at which point her covenant would be revoked and that might cost Shuri her life. This could be her atonement for all of her actions as Gunko under Imu’s influence.

I think it will be Gaban. His death would be tragic enough to have an emotional impact, while not impacting the story too much since his best days are behind him. Shuri dying would feel a little too cruel as she would be free for the first time in 60 years and then immediately die. Also, assuming it isn’t a situation where all of her memories as Gunko are foggy, she would be an absolute treasure trove of information on Mary Geoise, the Celestial Dragons, and Imu himself. She could also show up and be part of Brook’s epilogue with Laboon at the end of the manga.

I’m not counting Sommers and Killingham in this hypothetical because they feel too easy. They are irredeemable villains and also silly, so their deaths are essentially empty calories, which probably why they will be the only ones who will die this arc.

u/Stunning-Quality1995 — 3 months ago

Big flashback incoming?

Brooks immediately asking Shuri about the past pretty much confirms we will get another flashback soon. I’m wondering if it will be on the shorter side (like Brooks’) or a longer lore reveal (like Loki‘s)?

She will most likely:

  • Revist Esperia, at least the throne room showdown, to give some color on her heritage and how it was revealed to her.
  • Reveal why Imu wanted her for her eyes and how her Gunko persona was born in Mary Geoise.
  • A weakness Imu has the Straw Hats can exploit.

We are in the middle of a big fight with Imu but both Luffy and Loki are down, Gaban is probably more of a buying some time kind of fighter against Imu than someone Imu would consider a threat. Combined with Chopper about to talk to Biblo as well, I’m wondering if we get a longer reveal, like:

  • Imu lore (origins, not necessarily Void Century)
  • Origins of Mary Geoise/Celestial Dragons
  • Breakdown of the mural (from Biblo, not Shuri)

I’m actually very curious about Shuri’s past, she feels very different from the other Holy Knight’s.

u/Stunning-Quality1995 — 3 months ago

Secret Covenant?

If Shammrock was not Shanks‘ twin, I would say Gunko/Shuri are easily the most important God’s Knight given her different connection to Imu. We will get a flashback of her past at some point, and it feels like her origins will be more unique than we are lead to believe right now.

Brook called Candelle one of Eaperia’s two stars (he was the other, so probably a little biased there). Not sure if she was a traitor, a God’s Knight, didn’t die when Brooks thought she did, but it like Candelle is could get a big reveal.

Edit: Candelle also never ages over the nearly 20 year period of Brook’s flashback, which could be a covenant, but it feels more like Oda not wanting to draw an older woman.

She could also be a Harald parallel, someone who made a naive choice to accept a covenant and it ended up costing her life.

u/Stunning-Quality1995 — 3 months ago

What is the purpose of all these similarities? (Chapter 1152+ Spoilers)

Born with special eyes, cast/raised in the Underworld/Lower World, trapped in Elbaph at one point, committed regicide/patricide to a king under demonic influence. All too many similarities to be a coincidence, so what is the payoff. Loki and Shuri will be the heroes of Elbpah? They both sacrifice themselves to stop Imu?

u/Stunning-Quality1995 — 3 months ago