u/Substantial-Creme950

Hey so i have come to kinda hate the parts of the dungeon with no map, and the teleporters are just.....no. so i am at a point where i feel it isnt worth it to slam my head off it anymore. Does anyone know a direct route i can take to get to the boss room so i can just draw it on the map and do the final boss fight before NG+? I really just want to not think about how to deal with floor 20 as it really isnt worth my time anymore. If someone doesnt have a map that genuinely may be my sign to permenantly put the game down cause this is not worth it for the privledge to enact a mass murder on the local wild life while walkijg past the same teleports over and over again.

Hey so this is a shitpost kinda, i have recently been playing Etrian Oddysey 3 alot and watched delicious in dungeon and got a weird desire for something more likr that but also that takes thibgs further. I wish i could traverse in more ways, that puzzles had more answers and intrinsicly integrated into the world. I want to bring back cooking, make a new system for weapon and armor crafting and upgrading. I want dungeons that inspire wonder and make you feel like you are in a mystical and otherworldly space.

I feel like the game's Foe puzzles can all be squashed underfoot by a particularly bloody minded player (so most players methinks), and that means that running through an old area will mostly get old fast. Im not saying that puzzles need to be a hinderance through a whole playthrough tho. I will give a silly but kinda fun example of what i mean and I hope it helps get my point across.

Lets say you have a map that is four times the size the maps usually are in the series, and that the floor you are on is some form of aquaduct system with long segments of running water that can carry you away like the currents in etrian oddysey 3's sailing sections. Imagine that the flow of water is influenced by opening or closing gates connected to the waterways, and that control panels to do so for multiple gates at a time can be found all over. This would not only be a fun system once the threat of FOEs gets mixed in, it also becomes an intrinsically itegrated logical traversal puzzle that makes total sense in world. As an added bonus you could add various secret routes that can lead to multiple floors below you, making exploration more dangerous and more interesting. In EO 3 my favorite floor was in the fourth strata where you can get dropped down onto the floor below. If that could happen more often and i could just get in way over my head.....well it would honestly leave a permenant memory for me.

Another thing I would love to see is some form of interactive ways to avoid having to do puzzles if you are stuck or just want to be different. For example in ultima underdark lots of puzzles or situations can be handled in a myriad of ways. If you find a room enterance covered in traps and surrounded by lava you can break the door from a distance to trigger traps ,or use trap disarming items or spells to do the job for you. Maybe you use a fire resistance spell and watwrwalking potion to walk on the lava or maybe just levitate and blow a hole in the ceiling. Or maybe you follow the quest as intended and find out that there is a way to disable the countermeasures safely without using magic or money to get there.

Now this isnt a 1to1 for ultima underdark, but I still think it would be alot of fun with the current dungeon delving/puzzle system and would feel more like an adventure overall. Rewarding a player for finding their own way through a dungeon is always a good way to incentivize them, but sounds more like an adventure to me then having to do the exact sequence that requires me to leave the dungeon and talk to people atleast once before coming back and solving the sequence as intended.

I want to preface the rest of what I am going to say by explaining that i have been playing dnd for something like 8-12 years and have tried every edition except 4e, including pathfinder 1e and 2e.

I have seen the games become less about role playing and being a clever adventurer living in a world that doesnt revolve around you, and more about using big numbers to do cool things and feel like an epic hero as i have tried the later versions. Honestly i dont mean to insult anyone or the games they like, but i dont think most people who play dnd care about roleplaying as much as they do being a charicature with cool powers and such. And the desire for a more real dungeon crawler that allows you to play all sorts of ways is something i yearn for.

I should also admit that i have only played the third and fourth games, and I never beat 4 cause i was playing someone else's copy over a summer. But I am replaying through EO3 rn on steam, and it has shown me how much of this game is nostalgic and how much i see that could do better. Tho i know im looking back on a ds game that got ported to pc so.......yeah......

As I see it Etrian Oddysey is more then anything a combat focused game, but the combat is kinda the opposite of how i think adventurer's should be in a setting where they had to be able to fight on their own too. When we play dnd in my house we have a rule, any character you create should be a person in the world first and foremost, and that means they have to fit in beyond what they are as a combatant.

I play this game called wildermyth sometimes and in that game you make a party of otherwise faceless adventurers just like in this one, and those characters can have a personaloty features chart. This influences what events they can trigger, how they can react when things happen, and how they treat people they come across. It can also affect what tasks they complete and how fast they complete them all sorts of stuff like that, while occasionally allowing for boosts in combat too. In that game you are more than a combatant, you are an adventurer, a traverser, someone who fights back that which threatens and blazes a new path ahead.

Completely unrelated side note i kinda dislike the "pick your actions before the round of combat begins" system more then i remember now that I am an adult. It wastes turns in ways that doesnt happen in more traditional turn based combat, and it also feels like it punishes you for having non encylopedic knowledge of your party stats. I played Wizardry 8 when i was younger too and i may revisit it at some point to see if it has the same problem. I remember the combat systems being similiar.

I think the reason i started typing this all out was cause the series left such a nark on me and influenced so many of my likes and dislikes in games (especially 4 omfg that game is something else). It has an amazing mapping system which feels like something that any good dungeon crawler should probably have, but instead of it being a helpful tool to accent the gameplay in EO3, its more like a necessary task to get through the experience. Less bus pass, more drivers liscense if you catch my drift. But it helps so thouroughly to make the experience more paletteable. Idk if it is a me problem or not, but trying to navigate without the map is like 3 steps above being blind in EO3, but it was a ds game as far as i remember so i think thats maybe a bit uncharitable.

Part of the reason i bring up the map is cause i have played games before with way more automatic mapping systems that still feel way less adventurous then literally any EO mapping system that I know of. There is just something exciting about breaking new ground with nothing but your own scrawlings and wisdom to guide you, no other system really scratches that itch even though it is less convienient. Im not saying it is better per sey......but i am saying that i like it better then simply walking around in other games. Clunk included.

Anyway if you read all of this then you are a lovely person, im sorry if this is rambleing and stupid, i tried to be intelliageable as much as possible. Sorry that I typed thisball out for my own weirdness. And I get if it gets taken down. But im having a blast with EO3 and I intend to give it a second run on the hard mode.

Hey so this is a shitpost kinda, i have recently been playing Etrian Oddysey 3 alot and watched delicious in dungeon and got a weird desire for something more likr that but also that takes thibgs further. I wish i could traverse in more ways, that puzzles had more answers and intrinsicly integrated into the world. I want to bring back cooking, make a new system for weapon and armor crafting and upgrading. I want dungeons that inspire wonder and make you feel like you are in a mystical and otherworldly space.

I feel like the game's Foe puzzles can all be squashed underfoot by a particularly bloody minded player (so most players methinks), and that means that running through an old area will mostly get old fast. Im not saying that puzzles need to be a hinderance through a whole playthrough tho. I will give a silly but kinda fun example of what i mean and I hope it helps get my point across.

Lets say you have a map that is four times the size the maps usually are in the series, and that the floor you are on is some form of aquaduct system with long segments of running water that can carry you away like the currents in etrian oddysey 3's sailing sections. Imagine that the flow of water is influenced by opening or closing gates connected to the waterways, and that control panels to do so for multiple gates at a time can be found all over. This would not only be a fun system once the threat of FOEs gets mixed in, it also becomes an intrinsically itegrated logical traversal puzzle that makes total sense in world. As an added bonus you could add various secret routes that can lead to multiple floors below you, making exploration more dangerous and more interesting. In EO 3 my favorite floor was in the fourth strata where you can get dropped down onto the floor below. If that could happen more often and i could just get in way over my head.....well it would honestly leave a permenant memory for me.

Another thing I would love to see is some form of interactive ways to avoid having to do puzzles if you are stuck or just want to be different. For example in ultima underdark lots of puzzles or situations can be handled in a myriad of ways. If you find a room enterance covered in traps and surrounded by lava you can break the door from a distance to trigger traps ,or use trap disarming items or spells to do the job for you. Maybe you use a fire resistance spell and watwrwalking potion to walk on the lava or maybe just levitate and blow a hole in the ceiling. Or maybe you follow the quest as intended and find out that there is a way to disable the countermeasures safely without using magic or money to get there.

Now this isnt a 1to1 for ultima underdark, but I still think it would be alot of fun with the current dungeon delving/puzzle system and would feel more like an adventure overall. Rewarding a player for finding their own way through a dungeon is always a good way to incentivize them, but sounds more like an adventure to me then having to do the exact sequence that requires me to leave the dungeon and talk to people atleast once before coming back and solving the sequence as intended.

I want to preface the rest of what I am going to say by explaining that i have been playing dnd for something like 8-12 years and have tried every edition except 4e, including pathfinder 1e and 2e.

I have seen the games become less about role playing and being a clever adventurer living in a world that doesnt revolve around you, and more about using big numbers to do cool things and feel like an epic hero as i have tried the later versions. Honestly i dont mean to insult anyone or the games they like, but i dont think most people who play dnd care about roleplaying as much as they do being a charicature with cool powers and such. And the desire for a more real dungeon crawler that allows you to play all sorts of ways is something i yearn for.

I should also admit that i have only played the third and fourth games, and I never beat 4 cause i was playing someone else's copy over a summer. But I am replaying through EO3 rn on steam, and it has shown me how much of this game is nostalgic and how much i see that could do better. Tho i know im looking back on a ds game that got ported to pc so.......yeah......

As I see it Etrian Oddysey is more then anything a combat focused game, but the combat is kinda the opposite of how i think adventurer's should be in a setting where they had to be able to fight on their own too. When we play dnd in my house we have a rule, any character you create should be a person in the world first and foremost, and that means they have to fit in beyond what they are as a combatant.

I play this game called wildermyth sometimes and in that game you make a party of otherwise faceless adventurers just like in this one, and those characters can have a personaloty features chart. This influences what events they can trigger, how they can react when things happen, and how they treat people they come across. It can also affect what tasks they complete and how fast they complete them all sorts of stuff like that, while occasionally allowing for boosts in combat too. In that game you are more than a combatant, you are an adventurer, a traverser, someone who fights back that which threatens and blazes a new path ahead.

Completely unrelated side note i kinda dislike the "pick your actions before the round of combat begins" system more then i remember now that I am an adult. It wastes turns in ways that doesnt happen in more traditional turn based combat, and it also feels like it punishes you for having non encylopedic knowledge of your party stats. I played Wizardry 8 when i was younger too and i may revisit it at some point to see if it has the same problem. I remember the combat systems being similiar.

I think the reason i started typing this all out was cause the series left such a nark on me and influenced so many of my likes and dislikes in games (especially 4 omfg that game is something else). It has an amazing mapping system which feels like something that any good dungeon crawler should probably have, but instead of it being a helpful tool to accent the gameplay in EO3, its more like a necessary task to get through the experience. Less bus pass, more drivers liscense if you catch my drift. But it helps so thouroughly to make the experience more paletteable. Idk if it is a me problem or not, but trying to navigate without the map is like 3 steps above being blind in EO3, but it was a ds game as far as i remember so i think thats maybe a bit uncharitable.

Part of the reason i bring up the map is cause i have played games before with way more automatic mapping systems that still feel way less adventurous then literally any EO mapping system that I know of. There is just something exciting about breaking new ground with nothing but your own scrawlings and wisdom to guide you, no other system really scratches that itch even though it is less convienient. Im not saying it is better per sey......but i am saying that i like it better then simply walking around in other games. Clunk included.

Anyway if you read all of this then you are a lovely person, im sorry if this is rambleing and stupid, i tried to be intelliageable as much as possible. Sorry that I typed thisball out for my own weirdness. And I get if it gets taken down. But im having a blast with EO3 and I intend to give it a second run on the hard mode.

It is what it says above, i dont really follow posts. I really would like it to stop. I do not see any option anywhere to turn this off, though there may be one. I really dont know.

Hey looked online hoping to get some free stuff, it looks like yhey havent had any item codes sonce last year.

Hey so as I said above, I have 10 june appreciation tickets and 1 special ticket for the scratch off and I cannot seem to use them in the shop. I dont really know what I am doing wrong and pressing the other buttons available while in the shop doesnt seem to do anyyhing helpful

Hey so as it says above im looking for games to play with my friend that are preferably co-op and hopefully fun. We play WWZ already and its alright, but i would liek something less stressful to play. We were gonna play Fallout 76, but it isnt crossplay compatible when you play on steam. They are playing on an Xbox Series X if that changes anything.

So hi idk if you all are aware of the problems with windows 10, I kinda assume you are tho. My mom's galaxy book hasnt been turned on in 6 months but it should work. We are gonna taje it off the wifi and turn it on and disable all internet hookup options. Once we do, what version of linux would be able to maintain the tablet functions? If that isnt possible we can just use a usb-c mouse.

So basically i keep seeing people talk about how they dont think you need manipulation to move aura around, but the more i have seen that the more i feel compelled to disagree. To put it in the most basic context i believe that Gyo and Ko inherantly use enhancement, and that your skill in enhancement develops via your use of these techniques even if you never otherwise train in enhancement. I partially beleive this due to the fact that Ko enhances the offensive/defensive power of any nen user who makes use if it, and there really isnt a better explanation for why pure enhancers can do more damage with it then anyone else.

However if we can assume that the use of nen is in many ways grounded in the practical aspects of the various hatsu types it seems to make a great deal of sense reguarding what we consistantly see characters do. Now i can probably get into each nen use from basic to advanced and point out which hatsu seem to affect which aspects, but im pretty sure nobody woyld read that if I did. Instead i want to make a few simple points on the matter, in the hopes of changing peoples minds.

-It is likely shaping/directing aura in simpler ways takes far less specialized training and likely less overall skill to actually achieve. To put it another way it is like the differance between knife throwing and tossing a paper ball in the trashcan, one takes a great deal of practice and training and the other is something that most people can do if somewhat inconsistantly.

-It is likely that in order to form a shape with your aura you require manipulation or conjuration, in the case of manipulation i am implying that forming and potentially holding a shape without that shape being real is what requires manipulation. We see Bisky shaping her aura into numbers when she first trains Gon and Killua, and while im willing to accept that she transmuted her aura into something rigid rnough to hold it's shape that doesnt explain how that shape is formed. Transmuters can force their aura to simulate and alter the nature of real life properties, forces, and substances, there is no substances which naturally want to form into the shape of a number to my knowledge. The only way that makes sense is if she first forms the shape of the aura then transmutes it to hold the shape (same thing with Gon's Janken-scissors btw).

-With reguards to the last point i would like to point out that Bisky likely has around 40% affinity with manipulation, and if the previous point is correct, she only uses it in extremely basic ways overall. While she likely does use some form of manipulation for her hatsu Cookie, its likely that Cookie only works via utilizing preexisting knowledge on related subjects. In other words she is programmed like a machine so she likely cannot be used on nonhumans or really any creature Bisky doesnt have knowledge of reguarding their biology. Much like a CNC machine she cant perform actions she isnt programmed for, but she will absolutely do an amazing job at what she is programmed for. This would also explain why killua jumps over his opponents when he uses his thunderbolt, he not only extends his aura to his target via manipulation he also uses the properties of electricity to do some of the the heavy lifting.

-The last major thing i want to put here is a comparison to Shoot (who i want to beleive is a manipulator or emitter but i really cant find any direct info on that at this point) and what Bisky and Killua can do. Firstly i want to point out that Shoot's bird cage and seperate hands arent specifically anchored to a relative point outside of maybe his body itself. Instead there may or may not be a set limited range, but reguardless he can manipulate the relative position of all three hands and the bird cage in space in real time. Not only is the level of manipulation more complicated then what bisky or killua ever do, he actively can also manipulate multiple objects effectively without their flight paths interrupting eachother. I think the difference in affinity and lack of deicated training in that area can more then account for the limited abilities of nen users who are further from manipulation.

-Small note here about nen beasts with their own personality(this is slightly irrelevent), Kite's crazy slots didnt use much manipulation since he had low affinity with it (probably around 50% affinity if togashi's chart is to be believed). I beleive that his low affinity with manipulation is what results in the clown's "annoying" personality, Kite literally has no control over when it speaks or what it will say even finding his helpful commentary to be annoying and wishing it would shut up. I think that low affinity with manipulation may actually be a condition for autonomously thinking or acting nen beasts.

Im just looking so I can explain why ko is scary.