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London's Worst Borough - Final Results

London's Worst Borough - Final Results

The final round has ended and Barking and Dagenham was saved, which leaves Havering as London's Worst Borough.

Thanks for playing!

u/TheEnlight — 2 days ago

London's Worst Borough - Round 31

Round 30 has ended and Redbridge has been saved.

Round 31 has begun, vote for the borough you want to SAVE!

u/TheEnlight — 3 days ago

London's Worst Borough - Round 28

Round 27 has ended and Hillingdon has been saved.

Round 28 has begun, vote for the borough you want to SAVE!

u/TheEnlight — 4 days ago

London's Worst Borough - Round 27

Round 26 has ended and Croydon has been saved.

Round 27 has begun, vote for the borough you want to SAVE!

u/TheEnlight — 8 days ago

Who do I think could replace Starmer?

Firstly, we must clarify how Starmer could be replaced, and the process to do so. There are three ways a leadership contest can be forced.

  1. The party leader voluntarily resigns - This is the most obvious way. This could be from public pressure or internal pressure, think mass Cabinet resignations for example.
  2. The party leader loses a partywide vote of no-confidence - This happened in 2016 with Jeremy Corbyn, though he stayed on as LOTO after winning a second leadership election against Owen Smith. The party leader must secure 20% of Labour MP nominations to run in this new leadership race.
  3. A candidate must receive 20% (currently 81 MPs) of the Parliamentary Labour Party's nominations. If they receive 81, a leadership challenge is automatically triggered. The party leader is automatically a candidate in this new leadership race.

Out of these, option 3 is the most likely. Internal pressure could force a voluntary resignation, (The 2022 Boris scenario), though I don't think the Labour Party would attempt a vote of no-confidence against Starmer to oust him. 20% of the PLP is a steep requirement, but I believe there are some MPs who would be potentially able to achieve it. I do not think Catherine West can get the required votes, and she wouldn't win a leadership race anyway.

  • Lucy Powell - Currently Labour's Deputy leader, she has proven she can get enough MPs to support her, as she received 119 in her 2025 Deputy Leadership race, second to Bridget Phillipson's 177. However despite less PLP nominations, she won the party-wide vote by 9.6% over Phillipson. Her question is if she could repeat her Deputy Leader success to become Prime Minister, which may present more of a challenge.
  • Wes Streeting - He can easily score the 81 MPs if he opts to run for it, though his obstacle will be beating another challenger, similar to how Bridget Phillipson lost to Lucy Powell. His path to becoming Prime Minister is being the only candidate to score the required 81 MPs. The membership is to the left of the PLP, and that will be his biggest obstacle.
  • Ed Miliband - The former Labour leader who lost the 2015 General Election, now the Secretary of State for Energy Security and Net Zero in Starmer's Cabinet. He repeatedly scores as the most popular member of Starmer's cabinet, and if he opted to run in a leadership race, would likely score the 81 required nominations to do so.
  • Angela Rayner - This is a wildcard, as her value has been tainted by the scandal that ousted her as Deputy Prime Minister/Deputy Labour Leader last year. However, she still holds support within the Parliamentary Party and among the wider membership. Her challenge would be getting the 81 MPs more than winning a membership vote.
  • Yvette Cooper - I might be stretching a bit with Cooper, but she might be able to finesse slightly to the left of Wes Streeting should she manage to be selected by 81 MPs to win a membership vote against him (repeating the Powell Effect). I think she is the least likely of all mentioned so far.
  • Andy Burnham* - I'm questioning if I should put him on here (but I will be asked if I don't), because he's not an MP, and can only become one if he A. gets approved by the Labour NEC to run in a by-election, and B. wins that by-election. He was blocked from standing in Gorton and Denton, and despite questions about Clive Lewis offering up his seat, Burnham might not even win that by-election. If he gets to Parliament, he becomes an easy favourite with wide support in both the PLP and wider membership, but first he would have to get there.

Essentially, candidates fall into two camps, ones that can easily win the PLP nominations, and ones that can easily win the membership vote. You could imagine a spectrum with Angela Rayner on one side (membership) and Wes Streeting on the other side (PLP). The PLP side can win if no Membership-favoured candidate is able to nominate someone.

From there, these candidates would have to challenge the Prime Minister directly in a leadership vote, if he opts to remain in the race. If he doesn't, it's much easier for them, but out of these, I probably only see Andy Burnham able to beat the Prime Minister directly in a leadership challenge. The others could probably only do so if the Prime Minister doesn't stand for re-selection, which by how Starmer has been presenting himself, may be less likely.

So in the end, it may come down to option 1, a mass Cabinet resignation in the nebulous future which forces out the Prime Minister, much like how Boris Johnson's reign ended.

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u/TheEnlight — 11 days ago

London's Worst Borough - Round 23

Round 22 has ended and Enfield has been saved.

Round 23 has begun, vote for the borough you want to SAVE!

u/TheEnlight — 10 days ago

Which button will you press? (2.0)

I don't think I properly expressed the situation with this scenario the first time, so I've re-done it, hopefully making things more clear. The other person is a complete stranger you're randomly paired with, who has as much of an intention to win the game show as you.

  • If you both press blue, you both survive, and are de-prioritised for random death if too many survive. You can only die if all red survivors are killed and still over 60 contestants remain.
  • If one of you presses red and the other presses blue, the one who presses blue dies. If less than 60 remain through this method, there will be a random chance of survival for blue pressers.
  • If you both press red, you both survive, but if too many survive, you are prioritised for random death until 60 contestants remain.

And to make it more interesting, let's say the winner of this game show gets $100 million. Real life changing money, and if you're taking part in a game show where you'll risk death, you damn near need that money, right?

u/TheEnlight — 12 days ago

Which button do you press?

You are involved in a lethal gameshow with 99 other people. You are split into pairs, and each given the choice to press a red or blue button. There are 60 spots in the next round, 40 people are guaranteed to be eliminated (die).

You are able to talk with the other person about what strategy you intend to take. It's up to you to either be truthful or lie, however you are unable to see each others' button press until both of you have pressed your button.

If both of you press the blue button, you both survive.

If one of you presses the red button and the other presses the blue button, the blue presser dies.

If you both press the red button, you both survive, however if there are too many survivors afterwards, red pressers will be prioritised over blue pressers to be randomly killed off until 60 players remain for the next game.

What is your strategy?

u/TheEnlight — 12 days ago

London's Worst Borough - Round 22

Round 21 has ended and Ealing has been saved.

Round 22 has begun, vote for the borough you want to SAVE!

u/TheEnlight — 11 days ago

The "Left-behind working class" isn't coming back. Labour must find new voters.

TL:DR The old "White manual working class" is an ever shrinking demographic now increasingly made up by pensioners who aren't swayed by working class interests, and attempting to appeal to them with social conservatism and anti-immigration positions only works to alienate Labour's actual working class base to increasingly popular left-wing alternatives like the Greens and Independents.

There's this misguided idea of what the "working class" is, and it is killing the Labour party.

Labour's strategy has been appeasement. Concede the narrative on immigration and social justice to the right. They have gone all-in on hawking up the immigration message and celebrating the Cass Report, thinking that it would be this which brings back the alienated Red Wall "working class" to Labour. And it hasn't. It demonstrably hasn't. Councils which supposedly fit this kind of "left-behind working class" voter (Sunderland, Hartlepool, Walsall, Wigan, Barnsley, etc.) have been swept by Reform UK, despite all attempts for Labour to appeal to their image of this kind of voter.

The manual industrial working class voter is largely a figment of the past that doesn't reflect the current reality of the working class. Many of these voters are aging out of the workforce, with these Red Wall areas becoming more comprised of pensioners and the younger people replacing them are largely service sector workers.

There's this image that is conjured in the mind when you think of the "left-behind working class" as this manual working class voter who voted Labour all their lives, but then voted Brexit and now supports Reform, and that with the correct messaging, Labour can win these voters back in big numbers, but it should be clear that these voters aren't motivated by the same interests. Many of them aren't even working anymore, they're retiring, their interests are different now than they were a decade or two ago.

The truth is Labour must find new voters. One place they have had relative success in and now is pretty much their modern base is the well-to-do professional class. This is one group that used to be Conservative, but has since gradually moved over time to Labour, and many former swing seats were largely comprised of this kind of voter. But that's only one group and it isn't that numerous in raw population. There has to be other groups alongside it. Appealing across the left-right divide is much more difficult than appealing within your side of it.

The base has fallen out from under Labour. The losses in poorer Eastern London boroughs should be a wake-up call. I don't think anyone expected a Green majority council in Waltham Forest for instance. No overall control in Newham with the independent surge. Birmingham was an anihilation. These kinds of areas were once Labour's fortresses.

Labour have lost the actual working class, and with that I'm talking about the largest body of the working class as it exists today, lower wage service workers. This should have never happened. But through their perceived weakness at actually representing their interests has been fertile ground for the Greens and independents to sweep through these areas.

Alongside that, they've especially alienated minority voters, especially Muslims. We saw the beginning of this in the 2024 general election, where four safe Labour seats were unexpectedly lost to "Gaza independents". Muslims were another safe reliable base for Labour that has been wiped out through Labour's foreign policy regarding perceived weakness in the face of the Gaza genocide. There's quite a bit of overlap between this and the aformentioned service worker group that should have come through for Labour as part of their evolving coalition, but by trying to reach out to an ever shrinking group that is increasingly disinterested in Labour, they've just ended up alienating everybody.

The Gorton and Denton by-election was a microcosm of this process, and a harbinger of what was to come this week. This constituency represents one of the 20 most deprived in the country, as well as having a large Muslim population in one half (Gorton) and an older White British component in the other side (Denton). A tight three-way race was regularly suggested by the polls. Nobody predicted a 12-point Green victory, but that was the reality. The combination of alienating poor service workers, many in the Muslim community and a very strong Green candidate (Hannah Spencer) reflecting the evolving state of the British working class is what led up to this. Labour came third, over 15 points behind the Greens, who finished with 41% of the vote.

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u/TheEnlight — 13 days ago

Round 20 has ended and Barnet has been saved.

Round 21 has begun, vote for the borough you want to SAVE!

u/TheEnlight — 13 days ago

Round 19 has ended and Lewisham has been saved.

Round 20 has begun, vote for the borough you want to SAVE!

u/TheEnlight — 15 days ago

Oh no! A trolley is rolling down the tracks towards nothing! Will you pull the lever and redirect the trolley to the corral to get your £1 coin back?

u/TheEnlight — 17 days ago
▲ 716 r/redbuttonbluebutton+1 crossposts

50% of the world's population (including you) are designated as "pressers", the other 50% are designated as "victims". You can't communicate with anybody else, nor do you know who are pressers and who are victims. Your friends and family could be victims without you knowing.

The pressers must press either the red or blue button.

  • Every press of the blue button will cause 1 random victim to die, unless 50% of the pressers choose blue, at which point nobody will die.
  • The pressers (including yourself) are not at risk of dying. Neither button will endanger your life, nor the lives of any other person designated a "presser".

Which button do you press?

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Some additional post-analysis from OP:

I've noticed, though have been somewhat surprised that I've seen both reds and blues from the original dilemma switch sides. My intention here was to steelman the blue choice by removing the question of self-preservation, that caused many red pressers to shy away from blue in the original question. It is no longer your life in danger; your life is guaranteed. However, an unknowable number of your friends and family could be on the "victim" side.

I will attempt to explain what I think is going on, because I've accidentally changed more by removing the aspect of self-preservation than was intended. I've also now removed agency from half the world's population, who are now helpless in the verdict of the button's outcome. That has led to people's responses falling into four categories, and here's what I think is going on:

Picked Red Picked Blue
Originally Red Originally picked red to preserve their own life, stays red to minimise the amount of deaths overall in the event of Blue losing. If the belief is that red will win, pressing blue adds one more death to the total that could be avoided. If they're not certain, they trust more in the guarantee of saving a life that has a 50% chance in danger over the billions-to-one chance to save billions of lives. Originally picked red to preserve their own life. Without their life at risk, believes that the potential to save everybody's life outweighs the taking of one life. Believes that enough people could exist willing to work towards the goal of saving everybody's life. If the result is tied and they break the tie, their blue press saves billions of lives. If they're wrong however, they add 1 death to the tally, which when billions are at stake, is relatively insignificant.
Originally Blue Originally picked blue as they didn't want anybody to die, and were willing to put their life on the line in an attempt to save everybody else who pressed blue. However, flips to red as they feel they aren't in a place to inflict the burden of their decision on another random helpless person on the Victim side. By pressing red, the chance of saving lives is much higher than blue, even risking a red tiebreaker. Originally picked blue as they didn't want anybody to die, and were willing to put their life on the line in an attempt to save everybody else who pressed blue. Carries over this framework to the overall intention to reach the greatest good outcome, where everybody survives. The most likely way this happens is with a majority pressing blue, even if there's a chance their action adds a death to the tally in the event of a Red victory.
u/TheEnlight — 18 days ago

Round 16 has ended and Bromley has been saved.

Round 17 has begun, vote for the borough you want to SAVE!

u/TheEnlight — 19 days ago

Let's change it up a bit. I've added a third, green button.

🔵 If blue is the most picked, nothing happens, everybody survives.

🔴 If red is the most picked, everyone who pressed blue dies.

🟢 If green is the most picked, nothing happens, everyone survives. However, if over 50% pick green, everyone who picks green dies.

Which button are you pressing?

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u/TheEnlight — 22 days ago

Ended up with the 2024 map. Which honestly if Trump dealt with COVID better (which I did), could have easily happened.

u/TheEnlight — 23 days ago

You and 999 other random people randomly taken from anywhere around the world are transported to separate identical rooms with basic living conditions. They could be anybody, from newborn babies to elderly pensioners. You begin in a closed-off pod and are given the instructions. Everyone else gets the same instructions clearly understandable in their preferred language:

You hear "Greetings Subject 373: You can see a button on the other side of the room 10 metres away from you. Once you press the button, you leave the challenge. Pressing the button or waiting out the time of the challenge are the only ways out of the room.

  • The first person to press the button gets $1,000,000 in their currency.
  • The next nine (presses 2-10) people will get $100,000 in their currency.
  • The next 190 (presses 11-200) will get a year in jail (jail conditions equivalent to your current country.)
  • Everyone else will simply be released when they press the button.
  • The challenge will finish after 7 days. Anyone remaining will also be simply released.

Food, water, shelter, sleep and toiletries are automatically provided for as long as you decide to stay in the room. Conditions are basic, enough to keep you alive, but you are isolated and receive no natural light or social interations. There's no internet/phones/computers.

Disclaimer: You can suffer from the psychological effects of solitary confinement from prolonged isolation in the challenge."

The pods suddenly open, what's your move?

Do you sprint for the button, trying to win the jackpot, but risk jail?

If not, and you're focused on avoiding jail time, how long do you wait before you believe it's safe to press? Do you press the button at all?

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u/TheEnlight — 23 days ago