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It looks like at least of these dimensions would have to be universe-specific, otherwise a place like Valhalla would have to contain multiple dead Odins or dead Thors from different universes.

I am not sure about some though. It feels like the Dark Dimension may be something that exists independently of each physical universe.

Also, if one of these physical universes get destroyed (by Incursion or Kang or Doom or Wanda or who/whatever), do the corresponding non-physical dimensions die too? Like, if Doom destroys Earth 616, do that's Earth's dead Odin in Valhalla and dead T'Challa in the Ancestral Plane disappear too?

I feel like the multiverse saga had so much potential for explaining so many things about the multiverse but it was wasted on stuff like She-Hulk, Secret Invasion and Love & Thunder.

In Thunderbolts, we saw how Valentina Allegra de Fontaine went to extreme lengths to create her own government-controlled "Super-Man" while she was also manipulating morally gray figures like Yelena, Ghost and U.S. Agent.

Then in Daredevil: Born Again Season 2, Charles, clearly linked to Val through that telephone scene (where she tells the DA to lay off Fisk), is shown recruiting superpowered individuals such as Luke Cage and eventually Bullseye for what is almost certainly covert government work. He also tried to recruit Jessica Jones who, pretty much in character, told him to f**k off.

The Spider-Man: Brand New Day trailer adds another piece to the puzzle. William Metzger (confirmed by the subtitles), now leading the DODC, appears to be recruiting Spider-Man to hunt a powerful psychic, likely Jean Grey, thanks to Spidey's sense making him partially immune to her power. It's also possible Metzger is the one assembling many of the villains Spider-Man faces, including Scorpion and the Hand.

Recent Born Again Season 3 leaks also showed us Elektra had returned. If true, I wouldn't be surprised if the DODC found her after the Midland Circle incident, much like they cleaned up alien technology after the Battle of New York in Homecoming. She could even be leading the Hand, although I doubt she'll appear in Brand New Day, where we may just see Hand soldiers and that that plotline will be developed separately in the Daredevil shows.

This seem to all point toward a single agenda: a network of shadow government agencies seeking to wither recruit or eliminate superpowered individuals. That could naturally evolve into the anti-mutant movement of the next saga, with some heroes and villains manipulated into hunting the X-Men while others help them.

I could see such a saga leading to at least two box-office-breaking movies:

1. a full blown Avengers vs X-Men movie, which would be like Civil War but on a much more epic scale and with a much longer buildup

2. a movie where Wilson Fisk infiltrates these government forces and reclaims New York from a much stronger position than just a Mayor and you need the full might of Spider-Man, Daredevil and all the other Defenders to stop him.

Do you think this would be an interesting direction for the MCU?

Some rumors say the movie will / may end like this:

- FINAL SCENE: Peter Parker dies / appears dead

- POST-CREDIT SCENE: the symbiote from NWH post-credit scene (who never appears in BND before the post credits) shows up and it's hinted that it may save / resurrect Peter (though it's left ambiguos).

Given Spider-Man's unique biology they could easily go for a scenario in which his body seems to have fully shut down (so he may appear as dead to a human doctor) but in reality his spider powers somehow keep him alive on some molecular level.

This would be like the Justice League (DC) scene when they resurrect Super-Man (who, being Super-Man is not "really fully dead"). Except in this case the resurrecting force would be the symbiote and not the weird thing they do in JL.

This may also justify his absence in Doomsday and his (comic-accurate) appearance with the symbiote in Secret Wars.

Would you like such an ending?

It seems to me that it's a very cheap way to generate hype and discussions on social media, on top of the one created by official trailers.

It's basically free marketing.

I wouldn't be surprised if Marvel and Sony planned this and made it look like it was accidental.

Also I don't want to believe Marvel Studios is so incompetent it would have zero control on a major scene of its major movie in years being leaked.

By that rationale, somebody could upload the entire movie before release and this doesn't happen very often, including for movies produced by way smaller studios who probably spend much less in data security.

1. They want to attack the prison to kill Matt Murdoch after he is outed himself as Deradevil as revenge for decapitating their leadership back in the day

2. It may seem that they want to kill Matt Murdoch (which alerts Spider-Man and possibly Punisher too) but in reality they have been sent by Elektra (who is now their permanent leader) to bust him out of prison.

3. They are now mercenaries and they have been hired by some top villain to take out Spider-Man

4. They are trying to bust somebody else out of prison.

5. Any another theory?

I like 2, as long as Matt refuses being busted out of jail and the movie only slightly teases Elektra's return but leaves the full revelation for Daredevil Born Again Season 3.

No secondary/smaller villain, no misdirection, no misunderstood character framed as villain. Just the real big bad of the movie that Spider-Man will have to finally try and defeat (whether he is successful or not).

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By MCU-level, I mean not just successful movies, but a huge interconnected franchise with global mainstream appeal, merchandising, spin-offs, and long-term cultural impact.

My pick would be Dragon Ball, given its massive popularity in Europe, Latin America and Asia (which would easily contaminate North America with a well done cinematic universe), number of important characters and how easily you can build spin offs around the main story.

What's your pick?

The previous multiversal war he mentioned didn't just involve Kang variants but also Doom and heroes / villains from different realities. He only told parts of it to Loki on purpose.

He knew Doom will have resurfaced at one point and he planned not just the end of Loki S2 but whatever will happen in Doomsday and Secret Wars that will eventually lead to Doom's defeat. After all, the show already made it clear that he is an "end justifies means" kinda guy and all that matters to him is the final outcome and not how you get there.

He will only appear at the very end of Secret Wars, after the battle is won, as a friendly figure to Loki by jokingly saying "And who paved this way?".

This would kinda tie up the Multiverse saga without actually showing HWR or Kang variants in the movies, and without diminishing them as characters with the whole "Doom is going to slaughter them at the beginning of Doomsday".

As a deep Naples conoisseur, it is pretty clear to me that Gomorrah is not a documentary on the city, but an attempt to show life entirely from the perspective of a street camorra thug. Everything you see is what he/she see/feels/goes through. It's almost like a painting in that regard, a piece of art. The darkness of the place is as much a representation of the internal life of the criminal than it is of places like Vele di Scampia and similar spots.

However, more than once, I had to find myself explain to Gomorra watchers that the city of Naples has actually a significantly lower murder rate than Baltimore, Chicago, and even New York and LA, that it also has way nicer (either touristic or residentially wealthier) areas and suburban towns, and the fact that in the real world 70% of those who die on the show actually get arrested and sometimes even rat each other out to the police/prosecutors.

That is because, unlike shows like The Wire, The Sopranos etc, Gomorrah CHOOSES not to include the police/judiciary/normal people angle. So it leaves it to the maturity of the viewer to understand this. But are viewers these days mature enough to really understand what these type of shows are trying to say?

1. The Blip: Half of New York disappears for 5 years.
2. Loki's Attack to New York: Alien invasion and massive destruction across Manhattan.
3. Void terror: Shadow-horror mayhem and psychological apocalypse in NYC.
4. Mayor Fisk anti-vigilante takeover and anti-Fisk rebellion: Authoritarian control, militarized crackdowns, Northern Star's sinking, criminal use of the free port, fear across the city, all leading to the revolution at the courthouse.
5. The Hand war in New York: Ancient cult warfare involving assassinations, earthquakes, kidnapped hostages being drained for blood to fuel the Hand’s resurrection/immortality practices, underground infrastructure manipulation, and the collapse of Midland Circle
6. Multiversal incidents at the Statue of Liberty: Reality-breaking chaos involving alternate-universe villains.
7. Wilson Fisk's FBI corruption scandal: corruption, assassinations, citywide institutional rot, Bullseye's massacres at the New York Bulletin and Father Lantom's church
8. Kilgrave terror campaign: Mind-control murders and invisible psychological terror.
9. The Punisher revenge war: From the Central Park massacre to him massacring the gangs in revenge to his war against the Blacksmith, Russo and Rawlins
10. Battle of Harlem: Hulk and Abomination tear through Harlem

And this all happened within a time period of around 15-20 years. Imagine somebody born in the 616 Universe willingly deciding to move to New York city LOL

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Jean will be caged in some maximum security facility set up by the DoDC, but using her long-distance telekinetic powers she has been "studying" Frank Castle for a while and, impressed with his ability to wage one-man wars against huge power structures, wants to use him to break her free.

In The Punisher Special, she was the one turning his PTSD negative visions (Curt, Karen and his family provoking him) into positive ones (the same people comforting him) to prevent him from committing suicide or lose the fight against the criminals sent by Gnucci.

She will go on to use these visions to manipulate him into finding her maximum security prison and break her free.

I love how, with very low-effort, he is able to create total mayehm and mass fear, in both good and bad characters (Fisk and all his goons are also scared s**tless everytime he shows up).

He does this repeateadly in all 3 seasons he is appeared so far.

The only two characters that get close to that aura are the OG Winter Soldier and The Punisher from DD Season 2, though they were turned into that by adult-life events, while Pointdexter is a natural psycho who was like that since childhood.

It is genuine fun for him, unlike the other two.

You want me to believe a guy like that can't break free from some silly little handcuffs tied to a silly little bed?

In prison they had to use a special vest to avoid him breaking free and murder every prison officer (and he still managed to do it).

One could say he didn't escape until Matt set him loose because he is in his repantace phase (which I am sure is not going to last long) and decided not to but it's still disappointing how Matt and Karen, who are supposed to be the leaders of New York's anti-Fisk resistance, would think those handcuffs would hold.

You need Hannibal Lecter's level of containment for a guy like this. He is a way bigger physical threat than some people in the Raft, like Zemo and Trish.