The “bridegroom of blood” incident aka the weirdest moment in the entire Bible

The “bridegroom of blood” incident aka the weirdest moment in the entire Bible

I’ll just leave this here.

Exodus 4:24-26 (NRSVUE):

>On the way, at a place where they spent the night, the Lord met him and tried to kill him. But Zipporah took a flint and cut off her son’s foreskin, touched his feet with it, and said, “Truly you are a bridegroom of blood to me!” So he let him alone. It was then that she said “a bridegroom of blood,” because of the circumcision.

There is no context or prior build-up to this. It just randomly happens out of nowhere and after it, the story continues on as normal and this incident never brought up again.

u/TheIronzombie39 — 3 days ago

Workers of the world, unite against the enemies of Ahura Mazda!

Iran didn't become Muslim overnight after the Islamic conquests. Even after the fall of the Sassanid Empire, Zoroastrianism remained widespread and didn’t become a minority until at least 200 years after the Arab conquest of Iran. During that 200-year time period, there were plenty of anti-Islam revolts led by Zoroastrians, most notably the Khurramite uprising.

The Khurramites were heavily influenced by Mazdakism, a sect of Zoroastrianism that many scholars consider a form of proto-communism due to it's radical egalitarianism and it's belief of "holding of all things in common to reduce greed." While Mazdakite Zoroastrianism had already existed for centuries and initially declined after the death of Kavad I (c. 5th century), the Khurramites managed to briefly revive it before the Abbasids forcibly suppressed them.

u/TheIronzombie39 — 4 days ago
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Reconstructed Coptic terms?

Ok so there are several older Egyptian terms that don’t have Coptic equivalents and are instead replaced with Greek loanwords (probably intentional due to their deeply pagan connotations). So I’m trying to reconstruct Coptic forms of those words based on their Late Egyptian/Demotic pronunciations.

So far, I have reconstructed the term Isfet as ⲁⲥⲟϥⲓ (Bohairic) or ⲁⲥⲟϥⲉ (Sahidic) based on the Late Egyptian pronunciation /ʔaˈsoːfə/.

So realistically what do you think would be the Coptic form of Ka based on the Late Egyptian pronunciation /koj/ or Ba based on the Late Egyptian pronunciation /βej/? I don’t think those two have Coptic equivalents, right?

What about other concepts who don’t have Coptic forms?

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u/TheIronzombie39 — 5 days ago

I hate how modern adaptations of mythology and various RPGs have a horrendous understanding of how ancient polytheism actually worked.

Thanks to Hollywood treating gods as people with superpowers, most people have a distorted understanding of how ancient people actually viewed their gods. Take Dionysus for example, people often misinterpret Dionysus and either see him as just a wine god or Jesus Christ but Greek, in reality he’s a god that makes you act insane, a god of spontaneous, irrational destruction of the social order. In the mind of a Greek, Dionysus makes you forget all the social norms with no regards for consequences. Herodotus has this story about a guy who was supposed to marry into some rich family, but during dinner got drunk and started dancing in a way that was so demeaning that the father of the bride told him he’s out, the would-be son-in-law just said he doesn’t care. That’s Dionysus in action.   

Why does he do it nobody knows, he’s beyond your comprehension. Maybe it’s about his personal amusement, maybe it’s part of some greater plan. You don’t know and you won’t know.

The fact of the matter is that gods aren’t simply people with superpowers, they’re more like personified forces of nature and therefore embody all aspects of that, both good and bad. Apollo for instance is the sun and medicine; he brings light and healing, but the heat of the sun can also cause droughts and spread deadly plagues. Yes the gods are depicted in mythology as anthropomorphic figures with personalities, but they’re still ultimately forces beyond our understanding that are to us as we are to ants.

Also, a lot of media seems to promote this belief that gods are dependent on human worship and if people stop praying to them, they die. This was never true, the idea of gods “starving” without worship comes from a literal reading of parts of the Mesopotamian flood myth where after the flood dries up, Noah’s Mesopotamian equivalent (Ziusudra, Atrahasis, or Utnapishtim depending on which version you're reading) lights a sacrifice and the text says the gods “gathered like flies over the offering.” But this relies on a literal view of the statement and ignores the earlier context of why humanity was created.

To summarize, the lower gods (the Igigi) originally had to do the hard, grueling labor to maintain the physical cosmos. Eventually they got tired of work and went on strike against the upper gods (the Anunnaki). To automate this, humanity was created to do those things in place of the gods. So when Enlil flooded the Earth, he unintentionally shut down the automated supply chain. The gods didn't start dying because of this, they realized they had to go back to making their own dinner and doing their own chores.

In my opinion, the idea of gods being dependent on human worship is absurd because it leads to a bunch of questions that destroy the framework entirely; how did the gods exist before humans, what happens if gods start praying to each other, what happens if humans start praying to each other, etc?

Also, everyone seems to assume that all pagans in the 3rd century AD held the same Homeric, literalist beliefs as their forefathers which isn't even true, philosophical paganism was a thing and it wasn't even a new phenomenon since it evolved out of earlier classical philosophy which itself claimed to have gotten its knowledge from pagan theologians of the Middle East like Egyptian priests, Chaldean astrologers, and Magi. Now obviously there’s nuance to this as only educated elites grasped Neoplatonism and a sizable chunk of the population still held Homeric, literalist beliefs. But they weren’t seen as separate systems competing with one another and in fact, the Roman scholar Marcus Terentius Varro outlined a tripartite framework of theology that went essentially like this:

  • Mythical Theology: Basically mythology, the belief of the masses which was often detailed in poetry and plays.
  • Civil Theology: The official state-mandated religious practices upheld by the government to maintain the social order.
  • Natural Theology: The belief of philosophers who sought to understand the natural world and the true nature of the divine.

And again, none of these were in opposition to each other. Someone could adhere to a Platonist view of the gods while also engaging in state religious festivals/civic cults and watching a performance of the Bacchae.

All of this is also why fictional religions seem artificial since many of them attempt some form of polytheism yet treat the gods as people with superpowers dependent on human worship, use Christian terms like “church” and “heresy” even though they don’t apply to a polytheist context, ignore the possibility of allegorizing in-universe stories, etc.

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u/TheIronzombie39 — 7 days ago
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Yes this is real

Le context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamsīyah

They officially “converted” to Syriac Christianity in the 1700s to avoid being targeted by Ottoman authorities for not being monotheist, but they still retained many of their beliefs and practices and various travelers doubted that they were actually Christian. Based on descriptions from these travelers and architectural traces left behind by the community, many scholars (such as the Assyriologist Simo Parpola) suspect that they practiced a surviving branch of the ancient Mesopotamian religion (which was likely centered around Shamash given they were referred to as sun-worshippers).

>The Shamsīyah were a tribe or sect of sun-worshippers in northern Mesopotamia, concentrated in the city of Mardin (in modern south-eastern Turkey) and the surrounding Tur Abdin region. They converted to the Syriac Orthodox Church in the 17th century in order to avoid persecution in the Ottoman Empire but retained their own set of beliefs and practices; many travellers who observed and met with them doubted the extent to which they were actually Christian. There were still about a hundred families who identified as Shamsīyah in Mardin in the early 20th century but they appear to have since disappeared.

>According to the Assyriologist Simo Parpola, the Shamsīyah were possibly the last known adherents of a late version of the ancient Mesopotamian religion, an ancient set of beliefs thought to have first formed in Mesopotamia in the sixth millennium BC. This would make them the longest standing pagan community in Mesopotamia.

>Since the Shamsīyah were few in number, they long remained largely unnoticed to the outside world. They first came to the attention of the government of the Ottoman Empire when Sultan Murad IV (r. 1623–1640) passed through Mardin on his way back following the 1638 capture of Baghdad. The sultan noted that Mardin was home to about hundred families of sun-worshippers, based on tax records about four hundred people. Under Islamic law, depending on the school of thought in Sunni Islam followers of religions not among those of the People of the Book (Islam, Christianity, Judaism and Sabians) are condemned to choose conversion, exile or death msinly in the Hanbali madhab. Since the Shamsīyah freely admitted to the sultan that they were not People by the Book, Murad ordered them all to be executed. The Syriac Orthodox patriarch, Ignatius Hidayat Allah, however took pity on them and agreed to baptize the Shamsīyah to safeguard them from execution and persecution. Although they were from that point on considered to be Christians and outwardly conformed to Syriac Orthodox beliefs and practices, they kept their old name and continued some of their own pre-Christian traditions. The conversion may have been entirely nominal, with many continuing to entirely cling to their old practices, albeit in secret.

>The German explorer Carsten Niebuhr passed through Mardin in 1766 and noted the presence of the Shamsīyah there. Niebuhr spoke with an old man belonging to the group, who claimed that many of the villages in Tur Abdin had in his youth adhered to their religion but that they by this point were limited to only about a hundred families living in two districts in Mardin and they nominally adhered to the Syriac Orthodox Church. Niebuhr concluded based on the practices he observed that the Shamsīyah were probably adherents of a remnant of the pre-Christian religion in the region.

>The Anglican missionary Joseph Wolff, who passed through Mardin in 1824, noted that the Shamsīyah told him that they worshipped "the sun, the moon, and the stars" and that the sun was "their malech, their king"

>There were still Shamsīyah in Mardin at the outbreak of World War I but their subsequent fate is unknown and they appear to have since disappeared, perhaps merging into the rest of the Syriac Orthodox Church. They are thus considered to be extinct as a religious group. The only trace of the Shamsīyah in present-day Mardin are architectural traces left behind by the community, most notably the motifs carved by the Shamsīyah at the entrances of their doors, many of which continue to face the sun.

>According to Febvre in 1675, the Shamsīyah after their conversion adopted the Syriac Orthodox practices of baptisms and burial ceremonies, but kept their own sun-worshipping practices as well, which they performed in secret assemblies.

u/TheIronzombie39 — 11 days ago

What if instead of being the first Christian emperor, Constantine remained pagan and persecuted Christians far more brutally and harshly than anyone else before him?

(We’re also assuming he attributes his victory at Milvian bridge to Sol Invictus instead of Jesus)

u/TheIronzombie39 — 13 days ago

The worldbuilding of Cars is complete insanity

Not the first to point this out, but the worldbuilding of Cars gets more and more nonsensical the more you look into it. Ask any question and you fall into a rabbit hole of insanity.

There’s always one detail people can’t help but focus on and for me, it’s the fact that they don’t have hands. So how do they build anything then? I guess forklifts could do it, but wouldn’t that make them a slave caste? What about the things too complicated for a forklift to do or the fact that handheld tools exist despite not being usable by anyone?

A cameo of the pope indicates that Christianity exists in this universe meaning that Jesus Chrysler died for our sins (which leads to the question of how you can crucify a car). An airplane TSA indicates that a car 9/11 happened which leads of the question of how it happened since planes are sentient in this universe; did the terrorists force the planes to crash into the twin towers against their will or were the planes themselves terrorists? WW2 also apparently happened indicating the existence of car Hitler and car Stalin.

Then theres the question of what even are cars in this universe and how are they born/manufactured? Even the creators aren’t entirely sure and have given multiple conflicting explanations. Some fans have tried to rationalize vehicles in this universe as organisms, but this falls apart because it’s explicitly shown that everyone in the Cars universe is infact a machine rather than an organism that looks like a machine.

Of course we can’t forget the utter insanity that is Cars 2. The dumb lovable sidekick “accidentally” becomes an international spy who exposes a conspiracy about big oil sabotaging alternative fuel to preserve their profits. Yes, that is the plot to a film whose predecessor was about racing and humility.

The only reasonable explanation I’ve seen for any of this is Alex Bale’s theory that Mater is actually a god who can rewrite reality and that this world where everyone is a car or vehicle of some kind is simply the latest iteration of Mater’s shenanigans. It certainly explains how Mater can make people relive a story he’s telling by saying “you was there too.”

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u/TheIronzombie39 — 16 days ago

[WP] A stray cat has fallen into the backrooms. Luckily for the cat, nothing, not even the entity can kill it since as we all know, all cats are secretly eldritch gods.

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u/TheIronzombie39 — 24 days ago

What if the Zionist state named itself "Palestine", but everything else went exactly the same?

Many Zionists actually initially planned on calling their desired state Palestine since that was already the commonly-used name for the region. The name "Israel" was actually a last-minute decision.

Keep in mind that other than the name everything else in TTL remains the exact same, including the Nakba and Gazan genocide.

u/TheIronzombie39 — 1 month ago
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Have you considered that maybe people use the Roman name because it rolls off the tongue better and it’s already similar enough to the Greek name anyways?

u/TheIronzombie39 — 1 month ago

What if Statius actually finished the Achilleid?

For context, the Achilleid was an unfinished epic poem on the life of Achilles by the poet Statius which was written around 94 to 96 AD. Unfortunately he died before it could actually be finished and only about one and a half books (1,127 lines) were completed.

So what if Statius actually finished the Achilleid before his death? The POD being that he lives slightly longer, basically long enough to finish writing it before he drops dead.

u/TheIronzombie39 — 1 month ago

Names of Ea and Ereshkigal?

Ok, so I’m trying to compile a list of Mesopotamian deities’ names in Aramaic. So far I have:

- Adad: ܐܕܕ
- Anu: ܐܢܘ
- Enlil: ܐܢܠܝܠ
- Ashur: ܐܫܘܪ
- Marduk: ܡܪܘܕܟ
- Nabu: ܢܒܘ
- Ninurta: ܢܝܢܘܪܬܐ
- Nergal: ܢܪܓܠ
- Sin: ܣܝܢ
- Ishtar: ܥܫܬܪ
- Shamash: ܫܡܫ
- Tammuz: ܬܡܘܙ

Right now, I’m trying to get the names of Ea and Ereshkigal. But I’m since unable to find them anywhere online, can you tell what the renderings of their names in Aramaic are?

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u/TheIronzombie39 — 1 month ago