Do you use margin with value investing? How do you quantify the risk?

Hi,

I have been picking value stocks for the past four years and have had reasonably good results. That said, almost everyone has benefited from a strong market over much of that period, and I’m not convinced that my unleveraged stock picking has consistently outperformed the S&P 500 on a risk-adjusted basis.

What I have been experimenting with instead is using moderate margin leverage alongside a value-oriented portfolio. My reasoning is that if I am buying companies with a substantial margin of safety and avoiding extremely expensive or highly speculative stocks, the downside distribution may be somewhat more favorable than for a more aggressive growth portfolio. Of course, value stocks can still fall dramatically, so I don’t consider this protection in itself.

The main problem is how to quantify the additional risk created by leverage. So far, I’ve been estimating the probability of reaching a margin-call threshold using historical price movements of the underlying positions. I don’t treat this as a guarantee or forecast, but rather as a way to measure how vulnerable the current portfolio is. If the estimated risk becomes too high, I would consider deleveraging.

Does anyone here use a similar approach? If you use margin with a long-term value portfolio, how do you decide how much leverage is reasonable ?

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u/Unlucky-Piano-5874 — 11 days ago
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I built a tool to calculate margin call probabilities using Monte Carlo simulations - looking for alpha users

Hi everyone,

As a value investor using lombard loans/margin, I struggled to find a tool that explicitly quantified my risk of getting margin called during a market drawdown. Most tools give basic portfolio stats, but none tell you the actual probability of liquidation under leverage.

So, I built a web app to model it.

What the tool does:

  • Margin Call Risk: Uses 4 Monte Carlo simulation models (sampled from historical stock performance) to estimate your short-term and long-term margin call probability.
  • Stress Testing: Models custom market crash scenarios against your actual equity and broker margin requirements.
  • Levered vs. Unlevered Returns: Visualizes your expected percentile returns with and without your current leverage ratio.
  • Portfolio Metrics: Breakdown of position correlations and diversification metrics.

Looking for Alpha Users: The app is currently in restricted alpha. I’m looking for investors to test the app, challenge the assumptions and usefulness, and provide honest feedback.

I would also appreciate a comment regarding user interface design, as I am quite inexperienced with it.

If you use leverage or margin and want to test your portfolio, please drop a comment below or send me a DM, and I’ll send over an early access code.

(Detailed methodology breakdown is included inside the app for anyone who wants to inspect the math.)

Even if you do not wish to join the alpha, please give me a comment regarding the idea.

https://preview.redd.it/4relkune26ih1.png?width=1862&format=png&auto=webp&s=43fc7e92f1f83238cbc186e725e4d25cf689ca37

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u/Unlucky-Piano-5874 — 12 days ago