u/Wise-Record7511

Disgusting man uses his wife as a "child producer" since young

If you realized, the mother was born in 1990, His husband was born in 1984, and their first child was born in 2006, which means, if we use the math here....

The mother was giving birth only at 16 years old, while her husband is 22 years old in that time, and years after that his wife keep giving birth to many child every one-to-three years and raising them at the same time. Not to mention that are they already "do the attempts" even before 16 years old and below.

I found this video really disgusting, added up by even though many people who have a common sense said "that they just done too much", "wait was she giving birth since she's 16?" and "i don't think it's a right thing to have that many kids while their economy is like that", Unfortunately many people still defending him with the arguments like "It's their choice", "It was normal in the past", and of course the classic "If the husband wants to then his wife didn't have a choice".

Source; Some facebook post, even though it's a repost and i still didn't found the real original source.

u/Wise-Record7511 — 3 days ago

Apakah member ex-muslim disini pernah Pergi haji/Umroh?

Keluarga gw yang religius selalu dikit-dikit mau umroh lah, doa semoga bisa umroh sekeluarga lah, kalau ada hal bagus mau dirayain dengan umroh lah. Jadi makin menjadi-jadi setelah orang tua gw pergi umroh berdua beberapa tahun lalu dan sejak balik ke indonesia sering bilang kalau mereka mau membawa sekeluarga termasuk gw Umroh.

Dari kemauan mereka dan kondisi ekonomi keluarga gw kayaknya tinggal menunggu waktu sebelum gw beneran dipaksa ikut haji/umroh sekeluarga, meskipun itu menghabiskan sebagian besar harta mereka. kakak-kakak gw sih iya-iya aja mereka masih percaya islam, sementara itu gw berpikir kalau kegiatannya gak seberfaedah itu selain mungkin olahraga lari-lari. Kalau gw bilang ada acara atau keperluan apa pasti disuruh ditinggal aja "wong ini kita langsung ke rumahnya tuhan", kalau gw nolak ikut pergi pasti ditanyain seribu pertanyaan "kenapa menolak panggilan kesempatan Tuhan ke rumahnya sendiri".

Gw jadi penasaran apakah ada di antara kalian yang tetap pergi haji/umroh sebelum atau setelah menjadi ex-muslim? apakah ada di antara kalian yang tetap menjadi ex-muslim meskipun sudah haji/umroh, atau bahkan keluar dari islam karena haji/umroh? Terima kasih.

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u/Wise-Record7511 — 4 days ago

There's no such thing as "R-pe" in Islam

in the recent years of islam, "Zina" usually seen as the same as "R-pe". while both of them could be similar, from each of their meaning both of it actually are different.

>Zina; Sexual intercourse (In any way) with other than one's wife/husband, whatever it's consensual or not.

>R-pe; Sexual intercourse with the victim being forced to do the intercourse without the victim's consent.

https://preview.redd.it/eu96wk7shwzg1.png?width=4092&format=png&auto=webp&s=dace7d416358dac9c44ced24cb8c1c84734c771c

Like in the diagram;

  • If even though both of them are consent, as long as they aren't married it's zina and considered one of the worst, dirtiest sin.
  • If even though the wife didn't consent at all and the husband forced her and even hurting his wife, their intercourse counted as r-pe but not zina because they both married and the husband can do anything with his wife, thus the husband's action aren't prohibited in islam at all.

The thing that makes me sad the most is how in islam the wife needed to totally obey and be submissive to her husband including in sexual stuff or else she will be cursed by angels until morning and her Shalah won't be accepted. Many people also think that getting married = being consent to anything, and that people who do sex before marriage are far, far worse and disgusting than the one who r-ping their wife/husband. they thought if someone do sex before marriage, there will be an earthquake or something.

Of couse, there are some recent islamic group that are more performative and prohibited r-pe in the household, but Islam itself told all muslims to "stick to the original", even have a hadith that basically said "Follow the original sunnah or you'll be one of the 72 muslim groups who go to hell".

That's the thing that makes me much, much more less likely to do islamic values to my wife and my kids in the future, but unfortunately looks like my parents and my family will force me to force islamic values to my wife and kids. That's the thing that making me thinking that me being open to my family about me being ex muslim and me getting disown and kicked out feel inevitable, or even need to happen.

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u/Wise-Record7511 — 14 days ago

Tidak ada istilah "Perkosa" dalam islam

Di islam zaman sekarang, "Zina" sering kali disamakan dengan "Perkosa", padahal dari pengertiannya kedua hal itu serupa dan bisa berhubungan dengan satu sama lain, tapi tetap berbeda.

>Zina; Hubungan seksual (dengan bentuk apapun) kepada selain Suami/Istri, terjadi dengan salah satunya consent maupun tidak.

>Perkosa; Pemaksaan hubungan seksual kepada korban tanpa consent dari korban dan bahkan merugikan korban.

https://preview.redd.it/lx461jy8fwzg1.png?width=4092&format=png&auto=webp&s=b21e0ad9922ba9ac6453b04df0f4923cedfb1e61

Seperti di diagram,

  • Meskipun keduanya consent, selama mereka berdua tidak dihubungkan dalam pernikahan maka hubungan mereka termasuk zina, salah satu dosa besar.
  • Meskipun istrinya tidak mau dan suaminya memaksa dan bahkan menyakiti istrinya, hubungan mereka termasuk Pemerkosaan tapi tak termasuk zina dan tak dilarang dalam islam.

Hal yang paling memprihatinkan dalam islam adalah bagaimana Istri harus menuruti suami termasuk dalam hal seksual, dan bahkan banyak orang yang menyangka jika menikah = consent no matter what. Banyak juga yang berpikir bahwa dua orang yang consent tapi belum menikah jauh, jauh lebih buruk dari pada salah satu dari Suami istri yang sering dikotori tanpa consent, karena mereka berpikir kalo ada yang zina ntar ada bencana macam gempa lah, apa lah.

Tentu, ada beberapa golongan muslim yang lebih performatif dan juga melarang pemerkosaan di rumah tangga suami istri, tapi islam sendiri yang menyuruh untuk "stick to the original", bahkan sampai bikin hadist yang bilang "ikutin sunnah yang original atau bakal masuk neraka dengan 72 golongan lainnya".

Hal ini juga yang membuat gw prihatin untuk mengamalkan islam, apalagi jika keluarga gw memaksa gw untuk menanamkan islam ke istri-anak gw. mungkin karena itu gw open soal gw jadi ex-muslim dan gw di-disown keluarga gw itu inevitable atau bahkan perlu terjadi, untuk keluarga gw nanti.

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u/Wise-Record7511 — 15 days ago