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The Wolf Pack - A Strategy Most of You Probably Have Never Heard About

In 2013, Nasrat Hakim left Actavis to become the CEO of Elite Pharmaceuticals. It was on the heels of a strong legal move that Actavis made on a patent dispute and was able to access a drug earlier than other competitors. Hakim likely parlayed a role in that to move to earn a shot at a CEO position. Careful what you wish for though - although there was excitement for an Anti Abuse technology, he may have not realized he walked on to a ship where he was in charge of rearranging the shares on the Titanic. Luckily for Elite, Nasrat refused to accept defeat and pivoted the company. That's a story you've heard me detail before though. Right now, you're going to learn about The Wolf Pack and what happened at Actavis almost immediately after Nasrat left.

Bill Ackman, CEO and Founder of Pershing Square, a hedge fund, made an agreement with Valeant to buy 10% of Allergan. Once their position was made known, they made an offer to buy Allergan for $46 Billion. The CEO famously said he felt "surrounded by a wolf pack" to describe the situation and phrase stuck. Actavis stepped in, debatably as a White Knight and debatably with their own motives, to buy Allergan for $66 Billion. Ackman made $2 Billion off of the move and Valeant picked up a nice $400 million for being part of the wolf pack.

How does this apply to Elite Pharma?

The players in the move above decided to act in coordination to make a move on a company, but individually they had no legal requirement to file a 13D since they did not have a position over 5% at the time (there's some gray area here legally, but it's inconsequential at this time for this part of the story). Once the wolves had accumulated their position, they then filed the required legal forms and made their move. That is what a wolf pack now describes, a group coordinating a move, riding a legal line, in order to quietly gather up shares to make a move. The move does NOT need to ever be filed unless they decide to formally combine forces right before an announced move (they would they file a 13D, or, less likely, a 13G). The whole pack moves quietly in the night. The smart ones already know where this is going...

Wolf Packs do NOT have to coordinate a long effort - they can be shorting and suppressing.

What does a Wolf Pack move look like in reverse? It's a move coordinated in the dark to hide the intentions of the group. BUT WOLV!!! What would that look like? Glad you asked:

  1. Coordinated fear posts being spread that would be obvious. Obvious how? The same posters who were spreading fear and lamenting the "loss" on their stock shares would CONTINUE to post negative things about the stock as their supposed shares when from 2.7 cents all the way to 82 cents. Which is interesting because when MY shares went from 2.7 cents to 82 cents, I sure wasn't posting horrible things about the stock. That sounds crazy if you're naive. It sounds intentional if you have a single brain cell.

  2. They would put themselves on boards so they could ban positive posts and flood any person who is gaining attention to undermine them. FakeQueen/IrritableBowels had two accounts as mods on Ihub and they would ban anyone who gained too much attention. The only ones they couldn't ban were the positive posters who were mods as well The only reason she got removed as a mod is because she got too arrogant and started making antisemitic remarks to one of the posters and booted from the role. No2Koolaid was an infamous poster on this stock who worked in finance at a Fortune 50 company. He was harassed constantly and a huge nuisance to the FUDsters. They were elated to hear of his unfortunate passing a few years ago, and I truly wish he were here to help battle them.

  3. Unusual Trading Activity - spoofed orders, dragging the bid, washed trades.

  4. Paid accounts and bots - Look at the accounts commenting on FUD - look at the number of purchased Reddit accounts commenting FUD on this stock. Look at the number of brand new accounts with negative karma spamming posts and negative comments. And look at what they say - NOTHING. Not a single iota of actual reasoning or research. Just fear, hate and fud.

Reasonable people have asked "where is the proof of shorting?" Of course there is naked shorting, but you don't NEED to naked short with a Wolf Pack strategy. It's right out there in the open. Over 50 FUD posts have been deleted from the other ELTP forum in the last 40 to 45 days alone.

So how do we fight a Pack of Wolves?

There are three ways to fight them.

  1. Report them to the SEC and the FBI - go for it if you want. A forensic accountant who specialized in fraud reported Bernie Madoff for 12 years with no luck. Criminals know the government isn't going to do anything about fraud. Vlad openly robbed the public. Senators trade on inside info daily.

  2. Form a counter attack through an investment vehicle/LLC/group - I guess possible but highly unlikely for a stock this small. I own more shares than everyone in the C-suite except for the CEO himself. And to be clear, I'm probably obligated to say I'm specifically NOT advocating for this as that would likely trigger a general solicitation and a 506C filing.

  3. Look the other way and profit off of their efforts - I've kind of taken this approach, but I can't keep my mouth shut. So, I wouldn't say I look the other way. I clearly call them out all the time, but I do acquire shares more aggressively the more I feel like they have suppressed the stock. Look at the fundamentals. The PE ratio is criminally low.

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u/Wolvshammy — 12 days ago

What if Wolvshammy is Wrong?

What if no one is willing to pay any future value for any drugs in the pipeline? What if are just stuck here for a couple of years, but we at least have the numbers to uplist in February. Let's pick a random stock just to see how a multiple on pretax income would look. https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/JAKK/

Pretax income for Jakks in 2025 (most recent annual numbers) was $17 million with a market cap of $278 million. Multiple of 16.35.

Pretax income for Elite in 2026 (most recent annual numbers) was $57 million. At a multiple of 16.35...the market cap SHOULD be...$932 million. Share price of 87 cents.

But Wooooooolv!!! The TTM for Jakks is higher now. Ok...

Pretax income for Jakks TTM is $24 million with a market cap of $278 million. Multiple of 11.58.

Pretax income for Elite TTM is $65 million. Times 11.58...the market cap should be...$752 million. Share price 70 cents.

If you want to take EVERY single positive thing this company is working on...and JUST compare it to other companies and reasonable multiples it should expect to get, then you are STILL looking at 70 cents low end and 87 cents high end in a head buried in sand scenario. That's a 280% to 348% return on investment based on today's stock price.

If that's the gains in a scenario where I'm wrong then I'm still laughing all the way to the bank.

Now, I'm going to prove that I can tell the future. In the next 24 hours, I'll have comments below from paid FUDsters.

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u/Wolvshammy — 30 days ago

Insider Buying

I’ll offer an additional option. Since many are waxing pessimistic that this means no deal is on the table, I’d like to counter that. Says whom? The law? What would the repercussions be for it? A sanction? A fine? Removal from the board? The dude is 95 years old. Never underestimate a man’s desire to tell the powers that be 🖕on your last lap. It’s equally possible that he wanted to signal something good to the longs. Always consider the opportunity cost. How much would it cost him? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. What would it gain him? More than it would cost. Unless of course you think that a 95 year old guy who owns millions of shares already has suddenly developed a deep burning desire to throw $8k on a penny stock so he can finally retire…

It’s a buy for me…

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u/Wolvshammy — 1 month ago

Group Think, Lemmings, and Overreactions

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Humans tend to run with the herd. Intended to avoid danger, it sometimes leads the lemmings to certain demise. Biological wiring from the past doesn't serve us well in investing, though. Overbought or oversold. Take a 20,000 foot view for a second and ask yourself if you think retail shareholders got scared and oversold. Everyone has to make their own decision. I made mine.

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u/Wolvshammy — 1 month ago

You’re welcome

Caught the end of the day real quick. Still buying every day.

u/Wolvshammy — 1 month ago

Abject Logic and Hysteria

TraditionalAd6977 recently posted his professional analysis here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ELTP_Stock/s/ejig0NAEeH

Now, apparently, none of us are allowed to have an opinion unless we have CFA 3 credentials. To those wondering, his claim is that he has studied over 1000 hours in preparation for his implied credentials. Let's assume for a minute that he really has those credentials, because I believe it's a moot point. But if we assume that he does, then the VERY first sentence is possibly the most illogical thing I've read on Reddit this year. He's a level 3 CFA analyst, read my posts, and, by his own admission said, "A buyout is possible" and bought the stock and got burned? TradAd - you are one of the highest credentialed analysts possible and you read a Reddit post and blind pushed a massive bet on this stock???!?!? That's an insane admission to start off a supposedly logical and professional analysis of a stock.

But let's dig deeper...and I'll throw you a bone here. Let's touch on something I agree with in your post - your arithmetic.

You provided a revenue number, a CAGR, EBITDA, and a multiple you used. I love it - finally someone doing what I've asked - provide a financially backed rebuttal to my numbers. Huge problem though. MASSIVE problem...you provided all of the 2029 estimates, and then FORGOT to discount your own number?!?! Look, I acknowledge that would weaken the ELTP case even more, but I'm not the one claiming to be a CFA 3 analyst...YOU are, and then you forgot to discount your own model?

Let's be honest, the CFA 3 is an Appeal to Authority and that was pure ego. Level 3 isn't needed to calculate the time value of money or EBITDA x 8 (or whatever arbitrary multiple). Bring level 3 or don't talk? You aren't the moat, my guy. As I've stated all along - my math is right out in the open for anyone to challenge and I've always said it's easy math. You just demonstrated the ease of the math as well, so please stop pretending it's really that complicated of a math problem. Calling all of us on here "financially illiterate" while making a mathematical mistake is beyoooooond arrogant.

Now, let's get to the actual worst mistake you made - and this one feels SUPER intentional. You doubled your bear case and presented it as a single conservative outlook. You said, "I assume revenue grows at roughly 10–12% CAGR over the next 3 years as older generics erode but are replaced by continued ANDA launches and incremental pipeline products", and hid your erosion number. Why? Because it would have to be a record setting erosion. Industry standard would be an 80 to 90% erosion from branded to generic. I haven't done the math, but eyeballing it looks like you eroded it 97 to 98%? Let's show everyone what I'm assuming you and I both know.

CAGR over the last 5 years is about 40% - you discounted that to 10 to 12%. And MOST importantly? You completely discounted 2 major launches that should happen in 2027. Even if you wanted to delay those to 2028 for some reason, YOUR assumption in this model is a 2029 outlook and here is what those revenues look like discounting at 80% and 90%

Eliquis - $25 Billion - Discounted at 90% and assuming a 10% market penetration = $250 million revenue. Apply a WAC of 50% and you get $125 million in Revenue

Eliquis - $25 Billion - Discounted at 80% and assuming a 10% market penetration = $500 million revenue. Apply a WAC of 50% and you get $250 million in Revenue

Oxy - $1.2 Billion - Discounted at 90% and assuming a 10% market penetration = $12 million revenue. Apply a WAC of 50% and you get $6 million in revenue.

Oxy - $1.2 Billion - Discounted at 80% and assuming a 10% market penetration = $24 million revenue. Apply a WAC of 50% and you get $12 million in revenue.

At the absolute lowest, you are completely ignoring $131 million in revenue on the table. How are you going to do an analysis that you claim to be CFA 3 worthy on the FUTURE Of a company and completely ignore every future dollar of revenue? How do you justify such an implied level of price erosion when Adderall generic sales are sitting right there for you to analyze an erosion factor?

Guess what else you completely ignored in a future valuation?

  1. Price multiple on Nasdaq vs OTC
  2. Manufacturing capacity vs trailing EBITDA
  3. Anticonvulsant Bioequivalent
  4. Any possible bump from tariffs ( I could debate this on both sides and would mostly ignore it if you didn't ignore so many other points )
  5. Any possibility for market penetration when we have a history now of doing just that
  6. The additional cash flows from the above revenues ignored and the value/power of that additional cash for buybacks, drug purchases, etc in the future.

Your arithmetic was correct...on a whole line of skewed assumptions. Calling me financially illiterate for my variables and pretending your variables used are "fact" is incredibly disingenuous.

I'll close with this - I know I'm a lightning rod. I have strong convictions and with that comes a lot of kudos when this is stock is surging, and I'll take a ton of heat when the stock is down. At the end of the day, every person investing is an adult that has to take responsibility for their own investments. The only thing I try to do is provide a backdrop of the logical things I see on the horizon for this company. My goal is to continue buying daily until the uplisting.

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P.s. I would have responded earlier, but I took another posters advice and went and touched grass. Thank you for the suggestion - the weekend getaway in the mountains was amazing. The sky didn't fall once.

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u/Wolvshammy — 1 month ago
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Day 7 of 180 - Buying $2500 ELTP Daily Until the Uplisting in February

Someone made a great post highlighting that this stock is down something like 20% on less than 1% of total shares traded. Go look at my posts and the hundreds of bot accounts paid to bash the stock. They got caught trying to use Ai to make up BS about me and my trade posts. They were so dumb, they couldn't even multiply correctly and they had Ai to help them. This stock is SUPPRESSED and I'm keeping my foot on the gas. Every. Fricking. Day. Posting pic of proof in comment below since I can't put a pic and a video on the same post at the same time.

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u/Wolvshammy — 2 months ago
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Day 5 and 6 of 180 - Buying $2500 every day until ELTP Uplist

Sorry, I missed the buy yesterday. I was traveling. Bought 2 trenches today instead. Still have my personal valuation on this stock at over $2 so I'll be averaging down on the shares that I bought over the last year. My main position averaged around 4 cents per share. I think these shares are artificially low. I've talked about the 160+ accounts they've made so far to harass and FUD me and this stock. One guy on Friday got caught using Ai to fake stuff about the stock and accused me of being a fraud and photo editing my purchases. I made a video response to his BS that I'll post in comments below again.

Oh and for clarification on my "180 days until uplist" - I'm doing the 180 days as the countdown to uplisting, but obviously days 3 and 4 are missing from my purchases because those are weekends. I'm purchasing $2500 every TRADING day until then.

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u/Wolvshammy — 2 months ago

Now they have posts attacking me specifically saying this is a Pump and Dump

This clown is claiming that I'm a scam artist and that all my pics are Ai. Meanwhile he got CAUGHT spoofing pics with Ai. That being said, I'm a pretty open book, and I always have been with this community. I truly believe in this stock - not because I'm emotionally invested, but because I think it has solid fundamentals. Here is video proof to combat what I believe are PAID bashers. They are putting WAY to much effort in to trying to FUD this stock. Why me, specifically? I think it's obvious why I'm the target. If you wanted to stop any momentum from happening with this stock - who would you try and attack?

u/Wolvshammy — 2 months ago
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Day 2 of 180 buying $2500 of ELTP until uplist

Every. Single. Day. I’m not taking foot off the gas until I see the checkered flag or I meet God. See you all at the finish line. From the CEO’s own mouth on the last earnings call. It’s been a long road but it’s almost time for the payoff for the Longs.

u/Wolvshammy — 2 months ago
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Day 1 of 180 - Buying $2500 of ELTP Every Day Until Uplist

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Every. Single. Day. I don't care. I think it's underpriced and I'll keep putting my money where my mouth is. CEO says we uplist in February. You can determine whether or not you believe a CEO who has gotten revenue up 5000% or not. I'll be posting receipts every day.

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u/Wolvshammy — 2 months ago
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ELTP Nasdaq Uplisting - 179 Days

I've linked a countdown to ELTP uplisting. It's been a long ride, but in the latest earnings call the CEO stated that the company is extending the contract with M&A company Jeffries for another 6 months (the implication is that it is to continue working on a potential buyout with the large pharma company he referenced in the last earnings call in July). Whether that buyout happens or not, Nasrat explicitly stated that by the February earnings call the company should be already listed or about to be finalized. That's Feb 15th. Right before that, he stated they plan of filing the ANDA for the new anticonvulsant they just received a positive bioequivalence on. Lastly, he stated that he feels very confident that ELTP will be able to negotiate a 2028 entry into the generic version of the $27 Billion Eliquis that we filed an ANDA for a few months ago. Why is this of particular importance? When Actavis was able to navigate a similar solution back in 2013, guess who was integral to that accomplishment? ELTPs very own CEO, Nasrat Hakim.

I've always said this stock isnt' an "if" it's a "when". Now we have our "when" narrowly defined.

I'll be buying $2500 every single trading day until the February uplisting.

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u/Wolvshammy — 2 months ago

Some people asked me if my position has changed since the stock dropped last week

A few things, I guess, but I do still love the stock and think it's a great opportunity to buy more.

u/Wolvshammy — 2 months ago

ELTP Revenue Guess and Stock Price Opinion

I’ll be happy with $38 million, but my guess is $42 million. Net income I think will show up yoy, but it’s going to be skewed by the warrants. Actual net income yoy will only be up slightly if we are at $42 million.

I expect manipulation of the stock downward for the next day or two and then volume picks up and we ride a decent wave. Last massive spike we had was Aug 2024 in anticipation of the upcoming drugs in 2025. That would mean, the next drugs coming online in 2027 should start to reflect in stock price in 2026.

Your revenue guesses?

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u/Wolvshammy — 2 months ago
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Data is beautiful - ELTP August Volume/Pricing Trend

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Let's be honest...if you've seen any of my posts on this stock, you know how much I believe in it, but there is no denying that the last year has been rough for the share price. I think we can also be honest about something else though - I probably study this stock more than almost any other person on these subs or other boards, and, so, I thought I would share a pattern I've noticed. I went back 5 years and noticed a dead on trend that happens every single year. MASSIVE volume increases from July to August, that usually ends in large spikes in price through September to November (depending on news releases etc.).

AVERAGE volume increase from July to August - 151%

AVERAGE price increase from July to August - 69%

This is a company that has increased revenue every single year for 5 or 6 years now - 5000% increase in revs over that time. Just filed an ANDA for a $27 Billion drug and they have a 100% approval history on ANDAs. Just settled litigation with Purdue Pharma so there is a clear path to file for generic Oxy in 2027. Just received positive BE results on another generic drug with an ANDA to follow. Actively in discussions with a potential buyer, and IF no buyer comes to the table with an agreeable price, the CFO has spent the last few years prepping for the company to uplist to the Nasdaq. CEO wrapped up the last earnings call a few weeks ago stating that they company had outgrown the OTC and that they are ready to uplist.

Cheers to the longs! See you at the finish line.

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u/Wolvshammy — 3 months ago

3 weeks until next earnings call

This is my favorite earnings call. Maybe just good memories from 2 years ago, but it seems August is usually good for shareholders. Things have been getting better every single quarter since December of 2020. Interested what this quarter brings. Nasrat answered a lot of my questions (I could tell because some of them were word for word what I had sent in), but I forgot to ask ONE thing. He mentioned on the call prior that "IF they held off on the filing of Eliquis that there was a specific reason - and he would talk more on that later." He never brought anything up and I wonder what it was. I loved the last call, but I also have one thing that stood out to me: he seemed to be rushed when he ended the call. Not sure if anyone else noticed that. I couldn't tell if he was irritated (understandable if he was reading the questions from the trolls), or if something happened to come up and he had to end abruptly, or, did he realize he let something slip that he shouldn't have and wanted to just end the call.

Anything that anyone is really focused on for this upcoming call? Any questions you forgot to ask?

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u/Wolvshammy — 3 months ago