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Okay so I want to state that I'm not a game developer! However I did take a game art and design class in high school. Anyways!

Lets be real, this rework failed at trying to make Widow fit in a good spot between being your average poke slop hero that's easily accessible while also successfully fulfilling the sniper fantasy like she originally could. Now yes, the sniper is in the form of her ult but that's the issue. Hell, her ult is better in the PvE mode than in matches.

I genuinely prefer her in the PvE mode with her ult upgrades than in the main game because she fulfilled the sniper fantasy better cause it's used more often. Now if y'all are willing to read through this post (this might be long so I apologize), please enjoy and leave your opinions and supportive feedback in the comments. Now let me explain what of the new and old kit I'd keep while trying to make her slip into that sweet spot between old and new Widows.

Parts I'm keeping:

1. Sprint (plus leap): So Widow would get her original sprint and jump height while maintaining her infinite stamina.

2. Edge Dancer: Widow will keep her Edge Dancer ability while retaining her 1 second stun kick to allow for more self defense against dives and enemies in general.

3. Red Room Rifle: So this is an obvious one but she'll keep her red room rifle. However its base fire rate becomes the same as when you have the "Burning Bullets" team up equipped. This does mean the hipfire will stay an automatic rifle.

Changes/Updates:

1. Straight Shooter: Widow no longer will have the electro plasma in her neutral kit. Instead she regains the ability to ads as an alt fire mode and use her original sniper (with bug fixes of course).

Team Ups:

1. Allied Agents: So this team up pretty much stays the same, however. It will only affect the hip fire mode and not the ads!

2. Enhanced Rifle: So this team up will replace the Burning Bullets team up. Instead, this team up will be with Punisher. This essentially works as a mini version of the current ult. The enhanced version will also increase the mag size slightly along with increasing hip fire rate to be close to the same as Punisher's rifle.

Unsure on:

Okay so the parts I'm unsure on are the "Widow's Slam" and the ult. With the "Widow's Slam," while it is a good engagement/reposting tool, I don't know how good it would work with these changes. And for the ult, I was thinking about giving her the Electro Plasma Burst as her ult again instead of keeping the new one due to this Punisher team up idea. If you guys have any ideas for these two, please comment them down below

Final thoughts:

I again want to clarify that I'M NOT A GAME DEVELOPER. I'm just a guy wanting to try and make Widow still accessible to average poke players while also trying to fully retain her ability to fulfill the sniper fantasy without it being her ult. Would this make her rifle more like Widowmaker's, yes. Is that a bad thing? For copyright maybe, but for gameplay not so much since it allows for two separate play styles since she now has two separate player bases due to old and new Widow. So everyone please be kind and supportive in the comments and leave your feedback and ideas. Because let's all be real, this rework while needed, failed at maintaining what she was good at properly while allowing her to be more accessible to the general player base.

Okay so these are all just in my personal opinion of Widow but let's be honest. Her rework does have some issues, the biggest being the failure to properly retain the sniper fantasy. I know it's her ult but it's not as good at retaining her sniper play style that she had originally. Not to mention that 12 secs isn't that long of a time to reposition.

I also feel like Rivals just missed the mark at making Widow as unique as she truly is. Remember that she's meant to essentially be a jack of all trades. She's an excellent marksman/sharpshooter, an assassin, spy, martial artist, and so much more. Both her old and new kit failed at portraying that. So I'm going to suggest how to fix this with her current team ups. Though the plan for Allied Agents might be hated.

Burning Bullets team up:

Nothing changes and the teamup stays the same with her new kit

Allied Agents team up:

Replaced her batons with her gauntlets which function like Psylock's primary fire. Replaced her rifle with her original sniper mode. This also causes her plasma burst to be replaced with the constant ads. You will also be given her old sprint/jump and kick (with the 1 sec stun) while retaining the infinite stamina and ground slam for extra mobility.

Now I was debating on giving back the old ult but decided against it and you keep the new ult as an enhanced version of your base sniper mode. However where the main issue comes into play is with the enhanced version of this team up.

So I'm going to leave it up to you fellow OG Widow mains, and new ones too ig, to help figure out how the enhanced version should work.

BE NICE

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Y'all, I'm not even kidding when I say that this whole game. I only used the batons and melee abilities (kick and dive) and oh my gods how is this somehow viable!! Yes you'll die a lot, but somehow this is actually somewhat viable.

I was laughing so hard throughout this! 🤣🤣

Okay so tbh, while this is just more for in my opinion. I feel like Widow's ult cost should be cut in half from 2800 to anywhere between 1000-1500 to allow Widow mains (us OGs) to be able to play her how we use to more often while also making it less of a punishment for accidentally using it due to muscle memory. Also, can that timer please go!! Like unless you die after taking a shot or use up all 6 shots, you should be able to ads whenever in case you have to reposition. This would also make her ult more viable than it somewhat already is.

And to you new Widow mains..HOW TF CAN YOU POP OFF WITH HER SNIPER NOT BUT NOT BEFORE HUH!! It's literally just her original rifle with slightly more body shot dmg and a bigger hitbox!! Explain!!

Okay so I use to main Widowmaker and because of her, I started maining Black Widow in marvel Rivals around season 6.5 to S7 but that changed after her rework Friday. So I've returned to Widowmaker due to Black Widow's identity as a sniper being practically removed from her base kit and turned into an ult.

Anyways, I was hoping for some tips and advice to get better with Widow like I use to be before Rivals pulled me. If anyone has any, I'd greatly appreciate it.

I'm genuinely just curious about everyone's plan(s) after they test the rework on Friday. I'm going to be honest when I say that I'll try it but I already am not a huge fan. But regardless, I'll test it because I love her character.

I will be honest when I say that unless it slaps me in the face and goes like "Ha! See, I am better than before!" then maybe I'll stick around and keep playing her. But if it doesn't do that and goes "Yea I'm worse than before," then I hate to say but I'm going to return back to Widowmaker who is the reason I started maining Black Widow in the first place. I love Natasha but I genuinely don't think I'd be able to see myself continuing to main her after this unless it's better than now. And if this rework fails, unless the devs swap her old ult and ads back around, I'm not returning to her and keeping with Widowmaker.

Okay, so I'm going to be honest. It's a good rework for the most part. The only issue I have with it is the swapping if the plasma burst and ads. They need to swap those back around her this rework to be perfect. I've put double the time into learning Black Widow than I have into learning Widowmaker. Reminder that Widowmaker is what got me into maining Black Widow. When I started with Black Widow, I would push for a rework that made her more like Widowmaker and not whatever this rework is. I want her to stay mainly a sniper, not some run and gun poke slop flanker. She won't be an all in one character anymore like I mentioned she currently is in a previous post. And honestly, this rework I will test when it launches but unless her ult cost is incredibly low, I'm most likely going to head back to Overwatch for Widowmaker and main that game. Widow was fun and enjoyable for me because I loved her character and I loved making my enemies suffer from being destroyed by "the worst hero in the game." It was satisfying when I got MVP or SVP, it showed that I outdid my team on Widow. Now it won't matter as much.

Hot take: Not enough people understand that Widow is an all in one sniper character. By this I mean she fits into every category of DPS. Her base design is a hitscan poke DPS. But on top of this, she's an anti-dive due to her kick and a dive due to her sprint and leap because she's meant to more focus the enemies back line and push their ults out. She's a tank buster due to how much dmg she can put out against tanks, especially with headshots, most noticeable on Devil Dino out of any other tank due to his large head hitbox. But still, while she gets easily countered, she's surprisingly op when you have the game sense and aim to back her up and use her to her fullest extent. IDC what people say, she has to stay a DPS because she's an assassin and it's her job to do dmg. Stop suggesting to turn her into a support because of her teamup with Phoenix which makes her WEAKER than she already is.

Side note: If they do rework Widow, just make her batons decorative and replace them in her kit with either dual pistols (like seen in the MCU), dual uzis like seen in the concept art, or her widow bites aka her gauntlets (which are way more iconic). On top of this, remove her stamina and increase her jump hight when she leaps. Please let her do 250 DMG per head shot because with how quickly other heroes can take you out, her at least doing this much dmg isn't a huge deal! And give her a passive whether it be silent steps for when you sprint, or a tracking shot she can use on the enemy team for every shot landed for 5 secs or just one enemy at a time, either or idc.

While I understand a lot of us love her as a sniper and we're assuming it'll stay that way, we can't deny that having more people playing her would be nice. Which is why it would be good to give her a secondary weapon option whether it be a burst rifle (someone on yt suggested this), dual pistols, dual uzis, or even her widow bites, but sometimes to act as a spray and prey kind of weapon would allow people who love her character but not the sniper aspect of her kit to still play her in a way that they feel is more comic accurate due to the fact that she is an assassin. And I personally think it would allow her player base to have a healthy balance. Those of us who want to main her as a sniper and those who want to be more up close and personal like a true assassin. On top of this, it would give those of us that will main her as a sniper a more viable option to deal with when we get dived or if we dive the enemies back line

Please leave your opinions and suggestions in the comments and please be nice, I have around 57-60 hrs on her and definitely want her to keep her sniper because it's grown on me

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I swear to y'all, I was on something else this game! 28/5/3 19 finals! Like double quads! And MVP!!

Sorry but I just had to make a post to share the replay of the match I just won and got MVP on with my widow! I'm sure it'll be obvious on who I am. Anyways replay ID is 10827594578

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Ik I died twice but I beat White Fox for MVP by ONE KILL! XD it was so clutch! I'm so happy to have gotten MVP on my widow especially now that I'm maining the Phoenix Widow skin

Okay so, I know most people get a dopamine rush in this game by playing DPS because it's more satisfying but. Is it just me or does anyone else get a massive dopamine rush when they prove people wrong with Widow and show them that she's genuinely pretty OP in the right hands? Like you're playing Widow and your team wins the match, you get MVP, and have a like 34/4 K/D ratio. Is that not just satisfying?

Alright fellow Widow mains, I have a question for y'all. So my question is; what parts of Widow's current kit, minus the sniper, do y'all currently have an issue with? Because some higher up in the Rivals community had an interview with the devs and the mention of a widow rework was brought up from my knowledge. It seems like the devs don't know what to do with her and don't want to change her kit completely. So I'm asking for y'all's opinion on parts that could be tweaked and or changed to make her a bit better. She won't be changed from a sniper DPS so don't worry.

I think we can all agree that the batons are a main issue for her kit because they're useless and need to be changed, however the devs seem to not want to make any big changes to her from what it seems