u/ZlatanTheMighty

I mean I can name the current players but is it really necessary? Everyone knows them, and trust me I've tried everything.

But is it just me or since vibecoding became a real deal - **real** companies don't touch this anymore.

I'm not talking about pkms solely (Notion, Obsidian, Capacities etc) but also project managers (Asana, Clickup, Monday etc), task managers and bookmarks managers

And I'm not asking for ideas nor recommendations either. Just looking for new major players that got good reviews so far and seems promising. Seems like this field been flooded with thousands of... More of the same, but nothing really serious for the past three years or so...

Did I miss something?

Are there not any new players in the productivity fields

I mean I can name the current players but is it really necessary? Everyone knows them, and trust me I've tried everything.

But is it just me or since vibecoding became a real deal - **real** companies don't touch this anymore.

I'm not talking about pkms solely (Notion, Obsidian, Capacities etc) but also project managers (Asana, Clickup, Monday etc), task managers and bookmarks managers

And I'm not asking for ideas nor recommendations either. Just looking for new major players that got good reviews so far and seems promising. Seems like this field been flooded with thousands of... More of the same, but nothing really serious for the past three years or so...

Did I miss something?

I mean I can name the current players but is it really necessary? Everyone knows them, and trust me I've tried everything.

But is it just me or since vibecoding became a real deal - real companies don't touch this anymore.

I'm not talking about pkms solely (Notion, Obsidian, Capacities etc) but also project managers (Asana, Clickup, Monday etc), task managers and bookmarks managers

And I'm not asking for ideas nor recommendations either. Just looking for new major players that got good reviews so far and seems promising. Seems like this field been flooded with thousands of... More of the same, but nothing really serious for the past three years or so...

Did I miss something?

Me: "I'm sending you an html file, I'm trying to do XYZ, my situation is ABC, I would love to have some feedback on weather I need to consider more stuff, and elaborate."

Codex (or ChatGPT): _sending me a 2,000 words message with multiple paragraphs (some of them are one line paragraphs and some are 30-40 line paragraphs) , bullet points, code blocks and what not._

Me: *summerize the topics only, please do it so each bullet point is one topic only"

Codex: _send me 83 bullet points_

Me: "categorize the bulltet points"

Codex: _returning shorter bullets (without being asked to) under 9 categories_

Me: "identify your 5 main recommendations"

Codex: "yes, here are the main 5 recommendations": _returning an essay of 5 recommendations which ubder each one is the same bullet points and what not_

Me: "I read it all this time, and I see no real recommendations, youve just reapeted my original message and talked about it, but I asked for recommendations **behind** what I already gave you, which is just pure skeleton of my problem"

Codex: _1000 word essay_

Me: "what is your most important recommendation for me, in one sentence"

Codex: "XYZ"

Me: "I literally said that, these are the facts which I'm asking your help about" (in this poibt I was so frustrated that I had to check it - I went back through all the messages, literally all big nothing really, although my message was clear

Codex: "here's my real recommendation: _proceeds to tell me that I'm in a "ABC" situation"

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Is this a joke?

Let's say my prompt could be better, sure I agree, I will be the first one to agree, bjt this ain't something I wasn't getting real answers before, and under no circumstances this make since

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Codex 5.5 High / Extra high or Gpt 5.5 high. Plus plan

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Btw It's been going on like this for almost three weeks for me, I lost my temper, punched the wall (can't move my left arm now) unsubscribed and booked a vecation for one week. Work will wait. I ain't coming back for it no more (Claude too) unless I become rich and patient. And the only reason I can afford a vacation is due to an app I developed with Codex. So I guess I'm done. My mental health is more important than my dreams

All Fables aside, my question feels more relevant now than ever.

If not for 4.6, I would not even be considering a subscription. But I tried Fable for a few days and was genuinely stunned. I was close to upgrading, which is something I had never seriously considered before.

I do not want to just take a break and wait. I am trying to understand whether 4.8 can offer value that I have not considered yet. Also I'm well aware now that Fable 5 wasn't meant for everyone for the long run and I don't think I'm gonna go this route ayeay (financially)

To me, 4.8 feels like ChatGPT on steroids: powerful, but sometimes with even bigger hallucinations. It also seems to require very precise prompting, plus almost Sisyphean follow-up, to get really good results.

4.6, on the other hand, feels more natural and much smarter. Not just slightly better, but better by a huge margin. Almost like it is in a different league.

That said, most of my use so far has been for strategy-building, design work, and regular conversations. Most of my coding is still done with ChatGPT/Codex to save Claude tokens, since I am on Claude Pro and ChatGPT/Codex Plus.

For context, the kinds of tasks where I noticed this most were not coding benchmarks or math tests, but open-ended work such as:

Turning vague product ideas into a clearer strategy

Exploring UX/UI directions, or work on the basic logic of my app

Stress-testing assumptions in a plan

Writing and refining complex prompts or documents

Having longer conversations where the model needs to preserve context, intent, and priorities

The difference I felt was mainly in the amount and type of steering required.

With 4.6, it often feels like the model keeps the hierarchy of goals, principles, and priorities in view throughout the conversation. In some cases, it even seems to notice when my own focus is drifting and helps bring the discussion back to the actual objective.

It also asks much more relevant questions about what I want. Not just generic clarifying questions, but questions that feel connected to the real decision, constraint, or tradeoff I am dealing with. 4.8 (and so was 4.7) asks too, not quality questions though

More broadly, 4.6 seems to understand what I actually want more reliably. With 4.8, I often feel that it technically answers the prompt, but misses the deeper intention behind it. If 4.6 did not exist, I might have assumed that the problem was simply my prompting.

Another major difference for me is long conversation handling. 4.6 usually keeps the right context alive across a long thread, and can suggest moving the conversation forward at relevant points. It can also recognize when a thread is becoming overloaded and suggest summarizing or closing that line of discussion before things get messy.

In practical terms, the solutions I get from 4.6 are often better for the kinds of problems I bring to it: strategy, design decisions, product thinking, planning, and messy real-world reasoning.

With 4.8, I can still get strong results, but more often I need to narrow the task, correct assumptions, re-state priorities, or push it through several follow-ups before it lands well.

So far, I have not run into specific coding problems that make me want to search for a better model outside of Fable. My question is mainly about non-coding work, because that is where the difference feels the strongest to me.

I am not claiming this as an objective benchmark. This is just my usage pattern so far, and I may be missing workflows where 4.8 is clearly better. But I'm still sure I'm not in the wrong here :)

To the real experts here: do you actually prefer 4.8, or is it not just me? In which use cases does 4.8 outperform 4.6 for you, coding and also outside of coding?